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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 3:29 am
by Thermodolia
Estanglia wrote:
Empires Empire wrote:
IDK man, some of these posters seem pretty rabid about the extreme measures that need to be taken, because the anti-vaxxer guys' zealotry offends their zealotry to something they poorly understand so much that clearly anyone unvaccinated has to go. What, am I going to have to show my papers at the bio-checkpoint documenting something that happened in the '80s where probably my pediatrician isn't even still alive? My parents aren't even still alive, I have no idea how I could even find the doctor who administered said inoculations... Or maybe they force me to take this potentially fatal vaccine because I can't prove it? Seems like everyone's more concerned about politics and feelings over science... like always now. So now I'm scared of measles, and scared of them too. What a world.



Education and cheap/free access to vaccinations with some emphasis on factual data and safe practices? Certainly. Definitely public health awareness and accessibility are great things.

However, as someone who couldn't be properly vaccinated against that one thing, hearing all these people going off on a tirade about the unvaccinated being inhuman monster threats to humanity... Kinda scary. Maybe I'm just sensitive to that kind of thing, but the thought of being barred from public places because of a knee-jerk reaction or forcibly given something that could potentially send me into full blown anaphylaxis is a bit scary, and it isn't exactly something that never happened before in the world. So now not only do I have to worry about measles, I have to worry about some kind of Salem style witch hunt lumping me in with their hated anti-vaxxer people. It's waaaay overboard, like most every reaction people have to everything these days.

The anti-vaxxer people and their opposition are mouth-foaming zealots, just like how every debate now has turned into zealotry complete with pitchforks and torches. Both sides' self-surety and unwillingness to see reason are scary these days, in most every issue. People really need to calm down about calling everyone they disagree with a 'threat to humanity'. They're all indistinguishable from each other in how ready they are to fight everyone who disagrees.


You bring up a good point.

If we go with mandatory vaccinations, how can we tell that someone is immunocompromised or the like if the documents about their condition don't exist?

Like if someone was allergic to a vaccine, but we can't find the records detailing it. Do we force them to have the vaccine, causing harm, or let them off?

We’d figure out pretty quickly if they have an adverse reaction to it. When you get a vaccination they ask you to stay in the doctors office for a bit in case any adverse effects occur.

So if no evidence exists then we treat them like any other person who hasn’t been vaccinated

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 3:33 am
by Thermodolia
Empires Empire wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:I'm fearing for the people who can't take vaccines, like babies under 6 months, the immunocompromized, etc.

We also don't need to bring back dead diseases, thank you. Polio was almost irradicated


We don't really need your fearmongering making policies more damaging to us than the risks we already have to live with, thank you. Please concern yourself with your own life, not 'fearing for' mine and potentially causing me more harm than good because your feelings get in the way of science and require a knee-jerk reaction by legislation so you can feel like you struck a blow at your mortal political enemies, nevermind those of us caught in the middle.

Dude there’s herd immunity. Mandatory vaccinations cover everyone who can be medically vaccinated meaning not you and people like you.

It’s not fear mongering to claim that bad shit will happen if people who can vaccinate don’t. You can and will get measles, and Mumps, and rubella if people continue to not get the MMR vaccination. Education can only go so far

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 5:36 am
by Esternial
Empires Empire wrote:
Estanglia wrote:You bring up a good point.

If we go with mandatory vaccinations, how can we tell that someone is immunocompromised or the like if the documents about their condition don't exist?

Like if someone was allergic to a vaccine, but we can't find the records detailing it. Do we force them to have the vaccine, causing harm, or let them off?


Yes! Thank you for understanding how outright terrifying this is to someone like me caught in the middle of this debate. These kinds of knee jerk blanket reactions WILL cause harm to someone, somewhere. Potentially turning innocent people into political collateral damage isn't okay!

Ironically, this kinda sounds like fearmongering.

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 3:11 pm
by Hurtful Thoughts
Thermodolia wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
You bring up a good point.

If we go with mandatory vaccinations, how can we tell that someone is immunocompromised or the like if the documents about their condition don't exist?

Like if someone was allergic to a vaccine, but we can't find the records detailing it. Do we force them to have the vaccine, causing harm, or let them off?

We’d figure out pretty quickly if they have an adverse reaction to it. When you get a vaccination they ask you to stay in the doctors office for a bit in case any adverse effects occur.

So if no evidence exists then we treat them like any other person who hasn’t been vaccinated

Plus, MMR vaccines are a 3 or 4 dose mult-shot thing with a time period between shots to minimize adverse reactions or anything closely resembling septic shock.
(plus this is to vaccinate you for ALL KNOWN STRAINS listed... so.. yeah... and if you show symptoms of failing to adapt to the disease, they can take a pretty accurate guess it was the particular strain they just injected, prep-up some serum [antibodies specific to that disease, matched to your blood-type] and boom.. you're gonna be fine.)

At least that was how it was done in the early 90's.

I mean... if you're actually going through with vaccinating your kid... it's a rather slow six year program.
(upside is they'd be pretty much immune to anything more dangerous than a case of the snifflies and maybe chickenpox [although tere's a vaccine for that too], and they'd be covered for Rabies and Tetnus until they're 21)
-The downside is they'll have literally no excuse for staying home from school, ever.
-Heck, they could probably eat carion off the road on the way to school and turn-out fine like I did.

Getting fully immunized in a one-stop-"cure-all"-shot is just asking for things to go wrong.

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 3:12 pm
by Thermodolia
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:We’d figure out pretty quickly if they have an adverse reaction to it. When you get a vaccination they ask you to stay in the doctors office for a bit in case any adverse effects occur.

So if no evidence exists then we treat them like any other person who hasn’t been vaccinated

Plus, MMR vaccines are a 3 or 4 dose mult-shot thing with a time period between shots to minimize adverse reactions or anything closely resembling septic shock.

At least that was how it was done in the early 90's.

Apparently they’ve brought it down to two shots done over a period of 6 months.

But ya when i was young it was 4 shots

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 3:27 pm
by Hurtful Thoughts
Thermodolia wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Plus, MMR vaccines are a 3 or 4 dose mult-shot thing with a time period between shots to minimize adverse reactions or anything closely resembling septic shock.

At least that was how it was done in the early 90's.

Apparently they’ve brought it down to two shots done over a period of 6 months.

But ya when i was young it was 4 shots

Life in the 90's was awesome, you had the option of being vaccinated for polio as a kid even though it had by-then already nearly ceased to exist.

*Polio re-emerges as kids stop getting vaccinated by 1998*

[Laugh-track]

"So much for the march of dimes/march for our lives."
(because the cost to fully vaccinate a kid was $0.10)

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 3:38 pm
by Thermodolia
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Apparently they’ve brought it down to two shots done over a period of 6 months.

But ya when i was young it was 4 shots

Life in the 90's was awesome, you had the option of being vaccinated for polio as a kid even though it had by-then already nearly ceased to exist.

*Polio re-emerges as kids stop getting vaccinated by 1998*

[Laugh-track]

"So much for the march of dimes/march for our lives."
(because the cost to fully vaccinate a kid was $0.10)

The 90’s, from what I remember, was pretty awesome. I got the Polio vaccine as a kid. I think I was one of the last kids to actually get it

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 5:22 pm
by Hurtful Thoughts
Thermodolia wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Life in the 90's was awesome, you had the option of being vaccinated for polio as a kid even though it had by-then already nearly ceased to exist.

*Polio re-emerges as kids stop getting vaccinated by 1998*

[Laugh-track]

"So much for the march of dimes/march for our lives."
(because the cost to fully vaccinate a kid was $0.10)

The 90’s, from what I remember, was pretty awesome. I got the Polio vaccine as a kid. I think I was one of the last kids to actually get it

Heck, you could crack your skull open Tony Hawk style, say it was awesome, and be back in school the next day with a leg on backwards.

Gen X earned that Generation eXtrme nickname.

WAVE OF THE FUTURE!

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 1:38 pm
by DARGLED
Farnhamia wrote:
DARGLED wrote:Get yourself and your children vaccinated or be quarantined permanently. That is how it should be. You do not have the right to endanger the lives of others.

EDIT: Andrew Wakefield should be executed for having started this antivax madness.

No advocating death now, you wouldn't want to screw up your nice clean record.


I am advocating for justice.
His BS study has lead to the deaths of many people, mostly children.

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 3:02 pm
by Hurtful Thoughts
DARGLED wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:No advocating death now, you wouldn't want to screw up your nice clean record.


I am advocating for justice.
His BS study has lead to the deaths of many people, mostly children.

What if Wakefield is already dead?

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 3:36 pm
by The Black Forrest
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
DARGLED wrote:
I am advocating for justice.
His BS study has lead to the deaths of many people, mostly children.

What if Wakefield is already dead?


:blink: He is still kicking.

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 4:00 pm
by Gormwood
The Black Forrest wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:What if Wakefield is already dead?


:blink: He is still kicking.

"Andrew Wakefield" is actually a meatbag controlled by a colony of near-eradicated germs. Like Alex Mercer, only a lot less awesome and a lot more of an asshole.

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 6:58 am
by Greater vakolicci haven
Gormwood wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
:blink: He is still kicking.

"Andrew Wakefield" is actually a meatbag controlled by a colony of near-eradicated germs. Like Alex Mercer, only a lot less awesome and a lot more of an asshole.

Why do you hate him so much?

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 7:05 am
by Gormwood
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:"Andrew Wakefield" is actually a meatbag controlled by a colony of near-eradicated germs. Like Alex Mercer, only a lot less awesome and a lot more of an asshole.

Why do you hate him so much?

You find nothing wrong with him being the anti-vax messiah. Other people including me however...

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 7:10 am
by Thermodolia
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:"Andrew Wakefield" is actually a meatbag controlled by a colony of near-eradicated germs. Like Alex Mercer, only a lot less awesome and a lot more of an asshole.

Why do you hate him so much?

Well for one he’s a cunt for forging and fudging the data on the link between autism and vaccines.

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 7:11 am
by Alvecia
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:"Andrew Wakefield" is actually a meatbag controlled by a colony of near-eradicated germs. Like Alex Mercer, only a lot less awesome and a lot more of an asshole.

Why do you hate him so much?

His fraudulent research is directly responsible for the rise in measles, mumps, and rubella in the UK in the late 90’s, resulting in deaths and serious permanent injuries.

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 9:55 am
by Andsed
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:"Andrew Wakefield" is actually a meatbag controlled by a colony of near-eradicated germs. Like Alex Mercer, only a lot less awesome and a lot more of an asshole.

Why do you hate him so much?

His "study" that makes up bullshit lies to connect vaccines to autism has been one of the reasons anti vaxxers have grown in numbers and anti vaxxers are the reason we are seeing multiple outbreaks the largest in years. That is why because his bullshit lies have led to more anti vaxxers.

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 11:22 am
by Highever
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:"Andrew Wakefield" is actually a meatbag controlled by a colony of near-eradicated germs. Like Alex Mercer, only a lot less awesome and a lot more of an asshole.

Why do you hate him so much?

Is that a serious question?

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 8:29 pm
by Duhon
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:"Andrew Wakefield" is actually a meatbag controlled by a colony of near-eradicated germs. Like Alex Mercer, only a lot less awesome and a lot more of an asshole.

Why do you hate him so much?


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 8:55 pm
by Hurtful Thoughts
Duhon wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Why do you hate him so much?


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Again, the fact that me and Duhon are agreeing in this thread is scaring me.

Make it stop.

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 9:00 pm
by Duhon
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Again, the fact that me and Duhon are agreeing in this thread is scaring me.

Make it stop.


*insert jpg of two fists clasped together, musclebound arms snaking towards each other*

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 9:10 pm
by Hurtful Thoughts
Duhon wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Again, the fact that me and Duhon are agreeing in this thread is scaring me.

Make it stop.


*insert jpg of two fists clasped together, musclebound arms snaking towards each other*

Image

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 9:12 pm
by Duhon
As much as I like nerds as the next guy, that's not even remotely memetic.

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 9:27 pm
by Hurtful Thoughts
Duhon wrote:As much as I like nerds as the next guy, that's not even remotely memetic.

Thank you for finding something we can both not to agree with on this thread.

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 12:55 pm
by Thermodolia
We are officially in danger of having our measles elimination status removed, CDC says

Just so y’all now know the measles outbreak is now the worst outbreak since 1994. If the trend continues measles will no longer be eliminated in the US.