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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 4:59 am
by KinectiA
Strange - I don’t see much about education here. There was a time about 20 yrs ago when vaccinations were correlated with an increase in autism. A lot of people were concerned about that and were hesitant about vaccinations as a result. Then a lot of doctors and researchers helped clarify that correlation is not causation, and put some effort into explaining to parents which vaccinations were being given and why. If a parent is mandated to get their child vaccinated with MMR, MMRV, DTaP or any other combination of acronyms, you can expect some pushback. If an explanation is given in easy to understand terms, then compliance is much easier. It only takes a few minutes and no, handing out a printed flier doesn’t count.
I agree with requirements for proof of vaccinations before attending school, summer camp, dance class, sports teams, etc., and registration for these makes that easy and normalizes the idea. When you say it’s mandatory, people get scared. When you say everyone needs to do it before they can participate in X, it’s not so scary - it’s understandable. A basic education about viruses and how they spread is also important. When you tell someone they can be infected with measles by a carrier who left the room hours ago, that’s easy to understand. I don’t take issue with vaccinations - but I do with “mandatory” and “quarantine.”

PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:06 am
by Kobanie
Don't make it difficult, you must force children to be vaccinated. Parents who refuse can say what they want. Just vaccinate the kids during school and problem solved!

PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:25 am
by MineLegotia and Equestria
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Letting your fellow Muslimiyya die of preventable diseases and adding to human suffering in Pakistan to own the secularists and takfiris. Brilliant! :clap:

That's what happens when religion regresses back to the middle ages, or never evolves passed it.

At least Indonesians don't do that. Maybe becuase, oh I don't know. WE JUST HAD AN OUTBREAK OF A DISEASE HERE! Thanks to Government information programs and people sharing on social media of poor children suffering from the virus, everyone quickly went, "OH FUCK QUICK VACCINATE OUR CHILDREN DAMMIT!"

PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:29 am
by Thermodolia
KinectiA wrote:Strange - I don’t see much about education here. There was a time about 20 yrs ago when vaccinations were correlated with an increase in autism.

No it wasn’t. The entire study had cooked numbers

A lot of people were concerned about that and were hesitant about vaccinations as a result. Then a lot of doctors and researchers helped clarify that correlation is not causation, and put some effort into explaining to parents which vaccinations were being given and why.

Only because one idiot cooked the numbers on a study.

If a parent is mandated to get their child vaccinated with MMR, MMRV, DTaP or any other combination of acronyms, you can expect some pushback. If an explanation is given in easy to understand terms, then compliance is much easier. It only takes a few minutes and no, handing out a printed flier doesn’t count.

Again only because a few individuals spread misinformation.

I agree with requirements for proof of vaccinations before attending school, summer camp, dance class, sports teams, etc., and registration for these makes that easy and normalizes the idea. When you say it’s mandatory, people get scared.

I don’t give a fuck about what they feel

When you say everyone needs to do it before they can participate in X, it’s not so scary - it’s understandable. A basic education about viruses and how they spread is also important. When you tell someone they can be infected with measles by a carrier who left the room hours ago, that’s easy to understand. I don’t take issue with vaccinations - but I do with “mandatory” and “quarantine.”

Except we tried that and people still refuse to believe. The time for education is long gone. Now is the time for action

PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:09 am
by Nanocyberia
Nanocyberia wrote:Even mandatory vaccination is making people mad; just ask the French or the Swiss...


I'll need to ask for a source.

Assuming it's true, that's not good to hear.[/quote]

I'm afraid it's only from various comments I've seen on news sites whenever these epidemics are mentioned and when the French government proposed a list of 11 mandatory vaccines for children (back in early 2018). The latter particularly ticked some people off but every population has its subset of total nutcases.

That being said, the French actually seemed to have rolled with those 11 vaccinations... So, some sanity is still there!

PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 11:15 am
by Xmara
KinectiA wrote:Strange - I don’t see much about education here. There was a time about 20 yrs ago when vaccinations were correlated with an increase in autism. A lot of people were concerned about that and were hesitant about vaccinations as a result. Then a lot of doctors and researchers helped clarify that correlation is not causation, and put some effort into explaining to parents which vaccinations were being given and why. If a parent is mandated to get their child vaccinated with MMR, MMRV, DTaP or any other combination of acronyms, you can expect some pushback. If an explanation is given in easy to understand terms, then compliance is much easier. It only takes a few minutes and no, handing out a printed flier doesn’t count.
I agree with requirements for proof of vaccinations before attending school, summer camp, dance class, sports teams, etc., and registration for these makes that easy and normalizes the idea. When you say it’s mandatory, people get scared. When you say everyone needs to do it before they can participate in X, it’s not so scary - it’s understandable. A basic education about viruses and how they spread is also important. When you tell someone they can be infected with measles by a carrier who left the room hours ago, that’s easy to understand. I don’t take issue with vaccinations - but I do with “mandatory” and “quarantine.”


Andrew Wakefield was exposed as a fraud and lost his medical license roughly a decade after his now retracted paper was published in the Lancet.

And as someone who read his study, I can confirm that it was incredibly crappy and I can’t help but wonder what the publishers were smoking when they decided it was okay to publish in the Lancet.

PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 3:14 pm
by Hurtful Thoughts
Duhon wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:That’s not what they are saying. He’s basically saying that Anti-vaxxers and those who support them should be separated from society permanently


I was asking a question, not framing HT's post, unless I misunderstood.

... wth?

Therm... no...

Anti-vaccination support groups and social events... they're a thing... and it totally undermines herd-immunity by creating a herd with 0% vaccinations and then spreading it around to other communities like some form of sapient weaponized biological terrorist cell.

Which is why cattle-brokers are forced to kill their entire herd when that happens.

Also, turns out it wasn't so much vaccinations causing autism... as eating lead.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-re ... y-suggests
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access ... ?aid=73660
https://www.levylaw.com/lead-poisoning- ... -symptoms/
https://www.postandcourier.com/health/a ... 362aa.html

The diagnosing of autism is largely because psychologists aren't toxicologists.

PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 3:18 pm
by Ravennog
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Duhon wrote:
I was asking a question, not framing HT's post, unless I misunderstood.

... wth?

Therm... no...

Anti-vaccination support groups and social events... they're a thing... and it totally undermines herd-immunity by creating a herd with 0% vaccinations and then spreading it around to other communities like some form of sapient weaponized biological terrorist cell.

Which is why cattle-brokers are forced to kill their entire herd when that happens.


Anti-vaxxer group and social events?
DISEASES 100

PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 3:19 pm
by Sanctum and Ultima
Sigh, come on... mandatory vaccinations work. How about we fine $100 per week against anti-vax parents when they refuse to do so?

PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 3:20 pm
by Ravennog
Sanctum and Ultima wrote:Sigh, come on... mandatory vaccinations work. How about we fine $100 per week against anti-vax parents when they refuse to do so?

YES PLEASE SIGN ME UP

PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 3:21 pm
by Sanctum and Ultima
Ravennog wrote:
Sanctum and Ultima wrote:Sigh, come on... mandatory vaccinations work. How about we fine $100 per week against anti-vax parents when they refuse to do so?

YES PLEASE SIGN ME UP

I talked about gulags against anti-vaxxers and so on, but I think that's just a crazier version of me speaking.

PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 3:22 pm
by Ravennog
Sanctum and Ultima wrote:
Ravennog wrote:YES PLEASE SIGN ME UP

I talked about gulags against anti-vaxxers and so on, but I think that's just a crazier version of me speaking.

M80 I am crazier than that when it comes to anti-vaccine communities spreading their germs everywhere

PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 8:17 pm
by The Black Forrest
Chernoslavia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Then kindly explain why we are having all of these outbreaks?


Merely being unvaxxed doesn't put anyone in danger.


Don't be spreading lies anti-vaxxor

PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 9:50 pm
by Anagonia
This reminds me of that old saying:

"It didn't work the first fifteen times, maybe it will work the next?!"

This situation reminds me of that. California of all places should have stepped in and enforced mandatory vaccinations, especially since it is technically a sanctuary state. I find it rather surprising they didn't extend that same political rhetoric into action to actively treat incoming immigrants, and to put a stop to that silly anti-vaxxer movement. It only takes one, folks. Just one. Then the cards start to fall because some mother decided to be "pure" or some bullcrap.

Story itself is heartbreaking honestly.

PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 10:18 pm
by Inkopolitia
Chernoslavia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Then kindly explain why we are having all of these outbreaks?


Merely being unvaxxed doesn't put anyone in danger.

Immunocompromised people, babies and elders exist, you know?

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 12:19 am
by Duhon
Ravennog wrote:
Sanctum and Ultima wrote:Sigh, come on... mandatory vaccinations work. How about we fine $100 per week against anti-vax parents when they refuse to do so?

YES PLEASE SIGN ME UP


Clearly fines don't work on people who've set themselves on infecting as many as possible.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 5:14 am
by Hurtful Thoughts
Is it just me... or has the rate of anti-vax posts started to dwindle via natural selection already?

Well, that or logic has killed straight-up murdered their arguements.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 5:16 am
by Sanctum and Ultima
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Is it just me... or has the rate of anti-vax posts started to dwindle via natural selection already?

Well, that or logic has killed their arguements.

idk
Can you list anti-vax retards posters here

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 5:18 am
by Hurtful Thoughts
Sanctum and Ultima wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Is it just me... or has the rate of anti-vax posts started to dwindle via natural selection already?

Well, that or logic has killed their arguements.

idk
Can you list anti-vax retards posters here

Somehow I'm figuring naming and shaming would be against the rules... that or the rules of another site...

Maybe they could give a roll-call to see who is left for re-education?

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 5:21 am
by Sanctum and Ultima
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Sanctum and Ultima wrote:idk
Can you list anti-vax retards posters here

Somehow I'm figuring naming and shaming would be against the rules... that or the rules of another site...

Maybe they could give a roll-call to see who is left for re-education?

Don't worry, natural selection and pure logic would make them leave and rethink their life choices.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 5:47 am
by Valentine Z
Xmara wrote:
Andrew Wakefield was exposed as a fraud and lost his medical license roughly a decade after his now retracted paper was published in the Lancet.

And as someone who read his study, I can confirm that it was incredibly crappy and I can’t help but wonder what the publishers were smoking when they decided it was okay to publish in the Lancet.


Adding this was the fact that several of Andrew's own scientists cannot replicate the results that he has written in the report, as well as some of them backing out (of the vaccine-autism link) after doing their own research, I believe.

If the latter part is true, then that's the true spirit of science to me; you change your viewpoint and thinking when there is a mountainful amount of evidence directed against your theory.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 5:49 am
by Jakker
Sanctum and Ultima wrote:idk
Can you list anti-vax retards posters here


Using that kind of language to refer to anyone is against the rules. Furthermore, it is totally unproductive to try and seek out a list of players to shame. Given your history, *** 24-hour ban for Trolling/Flamebaiting ***. Note that this ban applies to you the player and not just this nation.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 6:00 am
by Hurtful Thoughts
Can't say I didn't see that coming.

Glad I didn't bother to compile a list, then.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 5:41 pm
by NeoOasis
Inkopolitia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Merely being unvaxxed doesn't put anyone in danger.

Immunocompromised people, babies and elders exist, you know?


I was gonna go with yourself... the unvaccinated have put themselves in danger. Complications are more common with these diseases than with the vaccines as I understand it.

Also yes... the other people listed above are also in danger.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 5:45 pm
by Inkopolitia
NeoOasis wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:Immunocompromised people, babies and elders exist, you know?


I was gonna go with yourself... the unvaccinated have put themselves in danger. Complications are more common with these diseases than with the vaccines as I understand it.

Also yes... the other people listed above are also in danger.

I wouldn't bother with the anti-vaxxers if their irrational beliefs didn' put anyone in harm, I wouldn't be talking about them if their thoughts didn't harm anyone, such as the flat earthers. Stupid thoughts, yet they don't harm anyone. Anti-vaxxers, in the other hand, are a real threat to society.