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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 9:39 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:You know that whole thing about prohibition of abortions not actually stopping abortion?
“Safe, rare and legal.”

The legislature honestly only has to believe it will have an impact in this regard, and they will use your logic to justify it.

The legislature can also be reminded that a fetus is not legally a person. And if not, they can deal with trying to reconcile exemptions for rape and incest.

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Kowani wrote:I don’t believe in Rights anyway, so there’s that.

But no, in this case, it’s your myopic view of “liberty.”


Yeah I don't need you to tell me that.

And your myopic view of what constitutes as being a ''danger'' to others.

It is not particularly hard, to tell.
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Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 9:40 pm

The Aria wrote:
Kowani wrote:Babies, young children, the elderly, people with autoimmune diseases…


I thought vaccines were given to babies


Noooo. Their little bodies don't have the immunity for it. It can cause death or life long problems.

In my time it was 4 to 6 years.

Now I read the first is 12 to 15 months and a follow up at 4 to 6.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:40 pm

Inkopolitia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Cool story? Most of us still believe in body autonomy.

Body autonomy means killing people who can't get vaccinated?


Lemme know when you're done playing with your strawman.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 9:41 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:The legislature honestly only has to believe it will have an impact in this regard, and they will use your logic to justify it.

The legislature can also be reminded that a fetus is not legally a person. And if not, they can deal with trying to reconcile exemptions for rape and incest.

Well, as you so helpfully linked to earlier, they won't have to reconcile those exemptions.



Alabama didn't include them.

And we can make a fetus a person if we so choose. Alabama did.
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Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:43 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:The legislature honestly only has to believe it will have an impact in this regard, and they will use your logic to justify it.

The legislature can also be reminded that a fetus is not legally a person. And if not, they can deal with trying to reconcile exemptions for rape and incest.

Chernoslavia wrote:
Yeah I don't need you to tell me that.

And your myopic view of what constitutes as being a ''danger'' to others.

It is not particularly hard, to tell.


Again, yeah.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 9:43 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
And you brought back an extinct disease and increased infection rates of mumps and rubella.

Good job!


Except it was never extinct. Like I said, you're welcome to go elsewhere or stay out of the US if you're willing to violate other people's rights.


Don't fib. It was declared extinct in the us.

*yawns*
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Aria » Tue May 14, 2019 9:44 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Aria wrote:
I thought vaccines were given to babies


Noooo. Their little bodies don't have the immunity for it. It can cause death or life long problems.

In my time it was 4 to 6 years.

Now I read the first is 12 to 15 months and a follow up at 4 to 6.



immunity? For vaccinations? So vaccinations are deadly?

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Postby Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 9:44 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:The legislature can also be reminded that a fetus is not legally a person. And if not, they can deal with trying to reconcile exemptions for rape and incest.

Well, as you so helpfully linked to earlier, they won't have to reconcile those exemptions.



Alabama didn't include them.

Yes, and how’s that working out on the PR level?
Chernoslavia wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:Body autonomy means killing people who can't get vaccinated?


Lemme know when you're done playing with your strawman.

You say that, but that’s the end result of what you propose.
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Atheist and still proud of it. Spanish Expat.
Post-Capitalist, Post-Nationalist.
Rights are functionally just privileges society has deemed important.
Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 9:44 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Don't get me wrong; I am all for a better solution. If the body integrity types have something to make it extinct again; I am willing to hear it.

The problem here is MMR worked. Their solution brought the disease back and infection rates are increasing for M and R.

I really get that, I really do.

But the question is whether we have principles regarding bodily autonomy or not, even when there's a third party's life involved. Even if another person might die, can a person have a right to self?

If so, we may have to pay the blood price.

If not, we'll have to pay the freedom price. Women especially will pay the freedom price.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Inkopolitia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:44 pm

The Aria wrote:
Kowani wrote:Babies, young children, the elderly, people with autoimmune diseases…


I thought vaccines were given to babies

Babies that are so young that they can't get vaccinated without compromising their immune system*
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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue May 14, 2019 9:44 pm

The Aria wrote:
Kowani wrote:Babies, young children, the elderly, people with autoimmune diseases…


I thought vaccines were given to babies

The vaccination schedule varies by country, IIRC. But most vaccines aren't given to children under twelve months, and vaccinations are generally completed by 18 years.

I personally favour mandatory vaccines of children for potentially deadly diseases (because we don't allow parents to make other medical decisions that are harmful for minors -- like denying blood transfusions or necessary medical care) -- if not otherwise contraindicated (i.e. by an allergy or other medical complication).

Although, there could be good call for insisting adults be vaccinated before they live in Halls of Residence (or whatever the US term is), as my university did.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 9:44 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:The legislature can also be reminded that a fetus is not legally a person. And if not, they can deal with trying to reconcile exemptions for rape and incest.

Well, as you so helpfully linked to earlier, they won't have to reconcile those exemptions.



Alabama didn't include them.

And we can make a fetus a person if we so choose. Alabama did.


Cool how long till the prosecute for miscarriages?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 9:45 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:Well, as you so helpfully linked to earlier, they won't have to reconcile those exemptions.



Alabama didn't include them.

Yes, and how’s that working out on the PR level?

In Alabama? Pretty well I'm told. Worldwide not so well, but pretty well in Alabama.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 9:45 pm

The Aria wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Noooo. Their little bodies don't have the immunity for it. It can cause death or life long problems.

In my time it was 4 to 6 years.

Now I read the first is 12 to 15 months and a follow up at 4 to 6.



immunity? For vaccinations? So vaccinations are deadly?

Under certain circumstances, yes. That’s why everyone else should get vaccinated, so that those who can’t don’t get killed by diseases.
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Atheist and still proud of it. Spanish Expat.
Post-Capitalist, Post-Nationalist.
Rights are functionally just privileges society has deemed important.
Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Postby Gormwood » Tue May 14, 2019 9:45 pm

The Aria wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Noooo. Their little bodies don't have the immunity for it. It can cause death or life long problems.

In my time it was 4 to 6 years.

Now I read the first is 12 to 15 months and a follow up at 4 to 6.



immunity? For vaccinations? So vaccinations are deadly?

Infants don't have fully developed immune systems that can safely take the vaccine from the getgo. Takes time.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:46 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Except it was never extinct. Like I said, you're welcome to go elsewhere or stay out of the US if you're willing to violate other people's rights.


Don't fib. It was declared extinct in the us.

*yawns*


Where's the lie? It was almost extinct.

Yeah, I'm gettin a little tired too so fuck this thread and fuck the government. G'nite.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 9:46 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Galloism wrote:Well, as you so helpfully linked to earlier, they won't have to reconcile those exemptions.



Alabama didn't include them.

And we can make a fetus a person if we so choose. Alabama did.


Cool how long till the prosecute for miscarriages?

Probably not long, but you'd have to prove some kind of intent or reckless endangerment.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 9:48 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yes, and how’s that working out on the PR level?

In Alabama? Pretty well I'm told. Worldwide not so well, but pretty well in Alabama.

Good thing the US is made up of more than just Alabama.
Narcissistic (Hedonistic) Nihilist. Yes, I am edgy. I know.
Atheist and still proud of it. Spanish Expat.
Post-Capitalist, Post-Nationalist.
Rights are functionally just privileges society has deemed important.
Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 9:49 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:In Alabama? Pretty well I'm told. Worldwide not so well, but pretty well in Alabama.

Good thing the US is made up of more than just Alabama.

Sure is. But then again, Alabama politicians tend to be elected by Alabama voters, not US voters at large, and for those voters, it's playing pretty well (or so I'm told).
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue May 14, 2019 9:49 pm

Galloism wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Cool how long till the prosecute for miscarriages?

Probably not long, but you'd have to prove some kind of intent or reckless endangerment.

Actually, women have already been prosecuted in the US for stillbirths (using existing laws). I linked to a study, here on the abortion thread.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue May 14, 2019 9:50 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:Good thing the US is made up of more than just Alabama.

Sure is. But then again, Alabama politicians tend to be elected by Alabama voters, not US voters at large, and for those voters, it's playing pretty well (or so I'm told).

After all, Alabama almost elected Roy Moore to the Senate.
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Postby Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 9:51 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Galloism wrote:Probably not long, but you'd have to prove some kind of intent or reckless endangerment.

Actually, women have already been prosecuted in the US for stillbirths (using existing laws). I linked to a study, here on the abortion thread.

There's something exceptionally wrong there.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 9:51 pm

The Aria wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Noooo. Their little bodies don't have the immunity for it. It can cause death or life long problems.

In my time it was 4 to 6 years.

Now I read the first is 12 to 15 months and a follow up at 4 to 6.



immunity? For vaccinations? So vaccinations are deadly?


For them sure. Their immune systems are still developing. Vaccines are injecting dead or weakened atigens into the body. Our immune system gets trained to handle the real virus by creating antibodies in response. Once the perceived threat has passed many of the antibodies break down but immune cells called memory cells remain.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Gormwood » Tue May 14, 2019 9:51 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Galloism wrote:Probably not long, but you'd have to prove some kind of intent or reckless endangerment.

Actually, women have already been prosecuted in the US for stillbirths (using existing laws). I linked to a study, here on the abortion thread.

"I'm sorry for your loss, but you're going to prison you baby killer!"
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 9:53 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:Good thing the US is made up of more than just Alabama.

Sure is. But then again, Alabama politicians tend to be elected by Alabama voters, not US voters at large, and for those voters, it's playing pretty well (or so I'm told).

I don’t imagine any women have been prosecuted under this yet, no? Wait ‘till that happens.
Narcissistic (Hedonistic) Nihilist. Yes, I am edgy. I know.
Atheist and still proud of it. Spanish Expat.
Post-Capitalist, Post-Nationalist.
Rights are functionally just privileges society has deemed important.
Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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