Hundreds quarantined for measles in 2 CA universities.

[The Black Forrest]

Obviously not every vaccine should be enforced. They tried in impress on my girl to get the uterine cancer vaccine. We declined due to her age (4th grade) never mind it wasn't contagious.

Measles is contagious and was extinct. Body integrity brought it back.

This being an argument for abortion? Bring it on; if they haven't tried already. Never mind they aren't concerned about the concept of body integrity.

One of the hazards of politics - every argument you use can and will be used against you later. The Supreme Court ruling against Obama on the ACA Medicaid expansion is now defending sanctuary cities and states from Donald trump.

Stop giving antiabortion activists ammunition to use against you.

Bodily integrity is important, and we should keep it as a first principle - even if we have to pay the blood price. Because the alternative is even worse.

Again; it was extinct. Body integrity brought it back.

It doesn't matter giving them ammunition; they to abuse if not kill people over it.

[The Black Forrest]

What?

You're going get many people refusing to get vaccinated along with armed patriot groups who aren't just going to stand idly by as you drag their friends and neighbors out of their homes.

AAA on that slippery slope.

[Chernoslavia]

You're going get many people refusing to get vaccinated along with armed patriot groups who aren't just going to stand idly by as you drag their friends and neighbors out of their homes.

AAA on that slippery slope.

Hey, if you're so confident then by all means try it.

[Galloism]

Babies aren’t sapient either, for the record. It’s a little fuzzy, but we tend to think of them as sapient when they can pass the mirror test, usually somewhere between 18 and 24 months.

Fair, but they’re not the only ones endangered by the lack of vaccination.

True, but the chances that a given unvaccinated person will cause another person’s death is exceptionally low. Not zero, but exceptionally low (last death was in 2015).

From the perspective of a person who sees a fetus as a person, the risk of another person’s death from abortion is 100%.

This would justify far greater intrusions into bodily autonomy.

[The Aria]

Wait im confused, if measles was eradicated. Then whats the problem??

[Gormwood]

You're going get many people refusing to get vaccinated along with armed patriot groups who aren't just going to stand idly by as you drag their friends and neighbors out of their homes.

AAA on that slippery slope.

Don't you know the gubmint laces vaccines with tracking chips that cause autism on command?

[Kowani]

What?

You're going get many people refusing to get vaccinated along with armed patriot groups who aren't just going to stand idly by as you drag their friends and neighbors out of their homes.

Oh, it’s simple. Require proof of vaccination to use government services, quarantine those without.

[Chernoslavia]

AAA on that slippery slope.

Don't you know the gubmint laces vaccines with tracking chips that cause autism on command?

Lol, when you have no valid argument to make.

[Gormwood]

Wait im confused, if measles was eradicated. Then whats the problem??

Was. Then High Priest Andrew Wakefield did Papa Nurgle's bidding and got gullible parents to stop vaccinating their offspring until measles came back like the Taliban.

[Chernoslavia]

You're going get many people refusing to get vaccinated along with armed patriot groups who aren't just going to stand idly by as you drag their friends and neighbors out of their homes.

Oh, it’s simple. Require proof of vaccination to use government services, quarantine those without.

Which I'm fine with. But you can't restrict their freedom of movement solely on the fact they aren't vaxxed.

[Dooom35796821595]

Wait im confused, if measles was eradicated. Then whats the problem??

Eradicated from the US, then antivaxxers let it back in.

[Galloism]

One of the hazards of politics - every argument you use can and will be used against you later. The Supreme Court ruling against Obama on the ACA Medicaid expansion is now defending sanctuary cities and states from Donald trump.

Stop giving antiabortion activists ammunition to use against you.

Bodily integrity is important, and we should keep it as a first principle - even if we have to pay the blood price. Because the alternative is even worse.

Again; it was extinct. Body integrity brought it back.

It doesn't matter giving them ammunition; they to abuse if not kill people over it.

I think you missed a word. I don’t understand the last part.

That being said, regarding the first part, giving them ammunition actually does matter. If you don’t understand why, you should pay a little bit more attention to common law history.

[Gormwood]

Oh, it’s simple. Require proof of vaccination to use government services, quarantine those without.

Which I'm fine with. But you can't restrict their freedom of movement solely on the fact they aren't vaxxed.

So quarantines violate the NAP.

Black Plague Did Nothing Wrong.

[Chernoslavia]

Which I'm fine with. But you can't restrict their freedom of movement solely on the fact they aren't vaxxed.

So quarantines violate the NAP.

Black Plague Did Nothing Wrong.

Are the people in this hypothetical infected and in danger of spreading it to others?

[The Aria]

Wait im confused, if measles was eradicated. Then whats the problem??

Eradicated from the US, then antivaxxers let it back in.

oooooh, ok that makes more sense. I thought people were saying it was eradicated from the world. But i have another question how do you know it was anti-vaxers that let it back in?

[The Black Forrest]

Again; it was extinct. Body integrity brought it back.

It doesn't matter giving them ammunition; they to abuse if not kill people over it.

I think you missed a word. I don’t understand the last part.

That being said, regarding the first part, giving them ammunition actually does matter. If you don’t understand why, you should pay a little bit more attention to common law history.

Opps left out "are willing'

I'm sorry I just can't understand your view of contagious diseases are ok for "body integrity" and to save RvW.

[Inkopolitia]

Arrest them. They might actually bring with them disease vectors, inanimate and otherwise. These malevolently stupid fuckwits.

Amazing how the left continue to inadvertently show their true colors when it comes to things like healthcare, vaccines, and guns.

I am a right-wing Libertarian, and I believe that vaccines should be mandatory. Why? Bringing back dead diseases is a bad thing.

[The Black Forrest]

Eradicated from the US, then antivaxxers let it back in.

oooooh, ok that makes more sense. I thought people were saying it was eradicated from the world. But i have another question how do you know it was anti-vaxers that let it back in?

There was a lie spread about vaccines causing autism. Many studies proved the claims wrong. People opted out of MMR (measles; mumps; rubella) shots because they will cause autism.

I read a couple stories mumps and rubella infections are increasing now....

[Kowani]

Fair, but they’re not the only ones endangered by the lack of vaccination.

True, but the chances that a given unvaccinated person will cause another person’s death is exceptionally low. Not zero, but exceptionally low (last death was in 2015).

From the perspective of a person who sees a fetus as a person, the risk of another person’s death from abortion is 100%.

This would justify far greater intrusions into bodily autonomy.

You know that whole thing about prohibition of abortions not actually stopping abortion?
“Safe, rare and legal.”

Oh, it’s simple. Require proof of vaccination to use government services, quarantine those without.

Which I'm fine with. But you can't restrict their freedom of movement solely on the fact they aren't vaxxed.

Sure I can. Roads and public land constitute a public service. If you are to endanger the citizenry, you may not join the citizenry.

[Dooom35796821595]

So quarantines violate the NAP.

Black Plague Did Nothing Wrong.

Are the people in this hypothetical infected and in danger of spreading it to others?

Yeah, that’s not how quarantines work. You can spread the disease before you’re sympathetic, then the damage is done. You quarantine everyone who might be infected and work it out from there.

Eradicated from the US, then antivaxxers let it back in.

oooooh, ok that makes more sense. I thought people were saying it was eradicated from the world. But i have another question how do you know it was anti-vaxers that let it back in?

Because if everyone who can be vaccinated is you get an effect called herd immunity which stops the disease from spreading to the vulnerable individuals.

[The Aria]

oooooh, ok that makes more sense. I thought people were saying it was eradicated from the world. But i have another question how do you know it was anti-vaxers that let it back in?

There was a lie spread about vaccines causing autism. Many studies proved the claims wrong. People opted out of MMR (measles; mumps; rubella) shots because they will cause autism.

I read a couple stories mumps and rubella infections are increasing now....

Why would someone spread a lie about that?

[Kowani]

There was a lie spread about vaccines causing autism. Many studies proved the claims wrong. People opted out of MMR (measles; mumps; rubella) shots because they will cause autism.

I read a couple stories mumps and rubella infections are increasing now....

Why would someone spread a lie about that?

Profit.

[Gormwood]

There was a lie spread about vaccines causing autism. Many studies proved the claims wrong. People opted out of MMR (measles; mumps; rubella) shots because they will cause autism.

I read a couple stories mumps and rubella infections are increasing now....

Why would someone spread a lie about that?

Wakefield the douchebag was trying to market his own brand of vaccines apparently.

[The Aria]

How does that earn them a profit?

[The Black Forrest]

There was a lie spread about vaccines causing autism. Many studies proved the claims wrong. People opted out of MMR (measles; mumps; rubella) shots because they will cause autism.

I read a couple stories mumps and rubella infections are increasing now....

Why would someone spread a lie about that?

I don't have a reasonable answer for that one.

Libertarians forcing the body integrity thing? People having autistic children and looking for something to blame?