Hundreds quarantined for measles in 2 CA universities.

[Conserative Morality]

Bring back the black death

You folk can share it amongst yourselves.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Bring back the black death

You folk can share it amongst yourselves.

No, mr plague loves you. Mr plague just wants to be your friend, don't be horrible to mr Plague.

[Conserative Morality]

You folk can share it amongst yourselves.

No, mr plague loves you. Mr plague just wants to be your friend, don't be horrible to mr Plague.

I'm not; I'm giving him all the anti-vaxxers he could ever want.

[The New California Republic]

That kind of ends with contagious diseases.

Why? Why do the oh so important rights end when they upset you?

Upsetting me =/= infecting me with preventable diseases...

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Why? Why do the oh so important rights end when they upset you?

Upsetting me =/= infecting me with preventable diseases...

I don't believe in quarantine though really. Sounds a lot like false imprisonment.

[The New California Republic]

Upsetting me =/= infecting me with preventable diseases...

I don't believe in quarantine though really. Sounds a lot like false imprisonment.

Good job that I never mentioned quarantine...

[Aclion]

Why? Why do the oh so important rights end when they upset you?

Upsetting me =/= infecting me with preventable diseases...

Are you vaccinated?

[Andsed]

Upsetting me =/= infecting me with preventable diseases...

I don't believe in quarantine though really. Sounds a lot like false imprisonment.

It is not. It is only making sure people don’t spread a diease and getting others sick. Quarantine is a good thing as long as it is done humanely.

[Andsed]

Upsetting me =/= infecting me with preventable diseases...

Are you vaccinated?

Not how that works. Yes vaccines are effective but they are not 100% and there are some who cannot be vaccinated. The idea that unvaccinated people can’t hurt vaccinated people is simply Bullshit.

[Duhon]

I'd be much happier if you didn't live in my world, since I enjoy not playing "15th Century Plague Roulette".

Bring back smallpox.

What.

Bring back exile for those who expose their nation to disease.

Bring back the black death

The bloody FUCK?

[The New California Republic]

Upsetting me =/= infecting me with preventable diseases...

Are you vaccinated?

Yes but that's irrelevant, as herd immunity is required for many diseases to be prevented, as vaccinations are not 100% effective at preventing even vaccinated individuals from being infected if there are a large number of infected individuals in the community.

[Purpelia]

Are you vaccinated?

Yes but that's irrelevant, as herd immunity is required for many diseases to be prevented, as vaccinations are not 100% effective at preventing even vaccinated individuals from being infected if there are a large number of infected individuals in the community.

What worse, having non vaccinated individuals get sick forces them to treat the illness with medicine to which the pathogen can than become immune to (given that the sort of idiot that won't take a shot is also unlikely to finish his treatment properly). And this can lead to all sorts of ugly and undesirable mutations such as those that might eventually render vaccination worthless.

[The New California Republic]

Yes but that's irrelevant, as herd immunity is required for many diseases to be prevented, as vaccinations are not 100% effective at preventing even vaccinated individuals from being infected if there are a large number of infected individuals in the community.

What worse, having non vaccinated individuals get sick forces them to treat the illness with medicine to which the pathogen can than become immune to (given that the sort of idiot that won't take a shot is also unlikely to finish his treatment properly). And this can lead to all sorts of ugly and undesirable mutations such as those that might eventually render vaccination worthless.

Yes. Prevention is better than cure, especially in light of the dearth in any new antibiotics etc being created in recent decades.

[Purpelia]

What worse, having non vaccinated individuals get sick forces them to treat the illness with medicine to which the pathogen can than become immune to (given that the sort of idiot that won't take a shot is also unlikely to finish his treatment properly). And this can lead to all sorts of ugly and undesirable mutations such as those that might eventually render vaccination worthless.

Yes. Prevention is better than cure, especially in light of the dearth in any new antibiotics etc being created in recent decades.

Which is why I said it before and shall again. Any country that wishes to properly accomplish its primary duty of protecting its citizens from threats both foreign and domestic must force upon them vaccination.

[Katganistan]

How on earth does a university have the authority to kidnap people?

Probably the CDC's mandate.

Well, we should do what other nations did, but we'll be one step ahead of them: ban non-vaccinated children from schools and public places and jail/execute anti-vaxx parents

Yeah let's deny children an education because their parents never got them vaccinated.
I'm quite happy that I don't live in your world, since the only jab I've ever had was prior to removing a tooth.

Bring back exile for those who expose their nation to disease.

Bring back the black death

Already did.

Upsetting me =/= infecting me with preventable diseases...

I don't believe in quarantine though really. Sounds a lot like false imprisonment.

For 21 days, until you can't spread it anymore. Remember it's virulent AND airborne. People who spread it can leave their little viral loads floating in the air for up to two hours after they have left, which is why doctor's offices DON'T want people suspected of having measles in their waiting rooms spreading it to everyone else.

It's not 'false imprisonment' if you're a disease vector. It's protecting the rest of society.


Hey, let's provide OTHER PEOPLE with protection from virulent and possibly fatal diseases.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Exections for anti-vaxxers would only strengthen them.

Have to say I've never seen anyone come out of an execution stronger than they entered it.

martyrdom works in strange ways.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

How on earth does a university have the authority to kidnap people?

Probably the CDC's mandate.

Yeah let's deny children an education because their parents never got them vaccinated.
I'm quite happy that I don't live in your world, since the only jab I've ever had was prior to removing a tooth.

Bring back the black death

Already did.

I don't believe in quarantine though really. Sounds a lot like false imprisonment.

For 21 days, until you can't spread it anymore. Remember it's virulent AND airborne. People who spread it can leave their little viral loads floating in the air for up to two hours after they have left, which is why doctor's offices DON'T want people suspected of having measles in their waiting rooms spreading it to everyone else.

It's not 'false imprisonment' if you're a disease vector. It's protecting the rest of society.


Hey, let's provide OTHER PEOPLE with protection from virulent and possibly fatal diseases.

I don't really hold an interest in the protection of society though, I care far more about individual freedom.

[Andsed]

Probably the CDC's mandate.


Already did.

For 21 days, until you can't spread it anymore. Remember it's virulent AND airborne. People who spread it can leave their little viral loads floating in the air for up to two hours after they have left, which is why doctor's offices DON'T want people suspected of having measles in their waiting rooms spreading it to everyone else.

It's not 'false imprisonment' if you're a disease vector. It's protecting the rest of society.


Hey, let's provide OTHER PEOPLE with protection from virulent and possibly fatal diseases.

I don't really hold an interest in the protection of society though, I care far more about individual freedom.

Individual freedom does not matter more than the well being of countless others. Quarantining people so they cannot spread diseases as long as it is done humanely is a good thing period.

Your freedom is not unlimited and it ends when it begins to harm others.

[Thermodolia]

Probably the CDC's mandate.


Already did.

For 21 days, until you can't spread it anymore. Remember it's virulent AND airborne. People who spread it can leave their little viral loads floating in the air for up to two hours after they have left, which is why doctor's offices DON'T want people suspected of having measles in their waiting rooms spreading it to everyone else.

It's not 'false imprisonment' if you're a disease vector. It's protecting the rest of society.


Hey, let's provide OTHER PEOPLE with protection from virulent and possibly fatal diseases.

I don't really hold an interest in the protection of society though, I care far more about individual freedom.

So you’d rather die from a pandemic than have people quarantined?

[The Black Forrest]

That kind of ends with contagious diseases.

Why? Why do the oh so important rights end when they upset you?

You don't understand a contagious disease?

[The Black Forrest]

Probably the CDC's mandate.


Already did.

For 21 days, until you can't spread it anymore. Remember it's virulent AND airborne. People who spread it can leave their little viral loads floating in the air for up to two hours after they have left, which is why doctor's offices DON'T want people suspected of having measles in their waiting rooms spreading it to everyone else.

It's not 'false imprisonment' if you're a disease vector. It's protecting the rest of society.


Hey, let's provide OTHER PEOPLE with protection from virulent and possibly fatal diseases.

I don't really hold an interest in the protection of society though, I care far more about individual freedom.

Hmmmm? The possibility of Pneumonia, Lifelong brain damage, deafness or death.

I should care about your "freedom"...why?.....

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I don't really hold an interest in the protection of society though, I care far more about individual freedom.

So you’d rather die from a pandemic than have people quarantined?

yes I would.

[Thermodolia]

So you’d rather die from a pandemic than have people quarantined?

yes I would.

You got a really fucked up moral compass dude

[Greater vakolicci haven]

yes I would.

You got a really fucked up moral compass dude

I don't really have what a lot of people seem to have which tells them that staying alive is the thing to do. I could live until I'm 120, I could die tomorrow: I don't mind.

[Shofercia]

take the money away from Union Pensions; it's ok, I think they can survive on $60,000 a year, I don't think they need all $120,000.

So basically, steal the money people earned through their working lives because you don't think they're entitled to it.

Classy.

Let alone that pensions certainly do not guarantee anyone "$120,000 a year".

Actually, they do. Might want to look up CalPERS, which invests pension funds on a whim, and then proceeds to demand that cities and counties cover the shortfall, should their own investments turn out to be mistakes.

https://calmatters.org/articles/comment ... nderwater/

CalPERS was, by its own calculations, 100 percent funded during the 1990s and into the first decade of the 21st century – so healthy, in fact, that state and local officials felt free to sharply increase pension benefits retroactively. However, pension funds took immense hits during the Great Recession – CalPERS alone lost $100 billion – and most have not fully recovered.

In fact, between 2007 and 2016, before the 2017-18 stock market surge, CalPERS’ total liabilities increased by a startling 76 percent, from $248 billion to $436 billion, while its assets increased by just 19 percent, from $251 billion to $298 billion, sharply increasing the fund’s unfunded liabilities. The earnings surge, plus big increases in mandatory “contributions” from state and local governments, did raise CalPERS’ official funded level slightly to 70 percent, but that was still a long way from 100 percent – and now it’s declining again.

Very quietly, CalPERS officials told its governing board last month that the trust fund actually lost 3.9 percent during 2018, apparently due to the sharp stock market decline late in the year, pushing its funded level back down to about 67 percent.

If by "earned" it you mean "state and local officials felt free to sharply increase pension benefits retroactively" then sure they "earned" it. As for "no one" being guaranteed $120,000 in pensions, well: https://reason.com/2017/10/23/californi ... club-2016/

Last week Transparent California released data showing that more than 62,000 retired California public workers earn at least six figures in annual retirement benefits.

So are you claiming that those 62,000 people don't exist, Katganistan? Or that all 62,000 earn between $100,000 and $119,999 in pension benefits? Ah, the entitlement mentality of some Californians, it never gets old.