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Postby Liriena » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:22 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Loben wrote:What happened to “my body my choice”


That kind of ends with contagious diseases.

See: laws that penalize people with STIs or HIV/AIDS who don't disclose their status to their non-infected partners and have unprotected sex with them.
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:26 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote: Considering that those fluids are directly responsible for saving lives, and by not having said fluids you are directly endangering others who physically cannot have said fluids, no.

Citation needed.


1. So deny them from going to schools or government facilities. Pointing a gun to their heads and telling them to do so will only make you look bad especially if they don't even have measles. Also, restricting anyone from any human contact just because they haven't got vaxxed is also a human rights violation.

2. https://mises.org/library/truth-about-swedencare
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 28101.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... tion-study
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... er-US.html

And why exactly is the NHS failing to begin with? That's right, through severe austerity and gutting cuts imposed by a Tory government:
https://www.gponline.com/time-governmen ... le/1462982
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... est-tories
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/au ... 13151.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/24/worl ... udget.html
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -screening

In Sweden, the situation is the same.

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Postby Kowani » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:49 pm

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Kowani wrote:He posted them earlier. They were, of course, crap, but they were there.


I admit not going back :| Did it continue the usual antivax nonsense?

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Postby Katganistan » Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:39 pm

Shofercia wrote:take the money away from Union Pensions; it's ok, I think they can survive on $60,000 a year, I don't think they need all $120,000.


So basically, steal the money people earned through their working lives because you don't think they're entitled to it.

Classy.

Let alone that pensions certainly do not guarantee anyone "$120,000 a year".

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Postby Katganistan » Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:44 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:And what fresh hell is this where people are being forcefully quarantined whether they have measles or not?


There is a 3 week incubation period. Therefore, people who are unvaccinated ot undervaccinated (did not get a second booster of measles vaccine as a child) could in fact contract the disease and spread it further.

That's why people are being quarantined. To prevent the outbreak from becoming an epidemic, or god forbid, a pandemic.

You have only to look back to 1918 and the Spanish Flu to see what a nightmare that would be.

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Postby Duhon » Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:47 pm

Loben wrote:What happened to “my body my choice”


When "my body my choice" involves becoming a living disease vector for the immunologically immature or compromised to get their life-threatening sicknesses from, what happens to you then is out of your hands...

...at least, till you and everyone near you has been inoculated.

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Postby Telconi » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:24 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Loben wrote:What happened to “my body my choice”


That kind of ends with contagious diseases.


Why? Why do the oh so important rights end when they upset you?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:22 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That kind of ends with contagious diseases.


Why? Why do the oh so important rights end when they upset you?


"My body, my choice" ends when you begin to actively endanger other bodies.

We literally have laws that criminalize the spread of HIV/AIDS without knowledge or consent.

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Postby Valentine Z » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:35 pm

Now there is one thing I'm concerned about.

Anti-vaxxers being Anti-vaxxers, do you think this is more than enough of an eye opener, or will they still sing their songs of denial? At this point, nothing they said will surprise me, such as "measles is such a minor disease, it will blow over with proper hygiene", or even better, through essential oils.

It's time to stop, Anti-vaxxers, like really. Just please, practice some common sense and see that vaccinations help people and prevent shit like this in other countries.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:46 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That kind of ends with contagious diseases.


Why? Why do the oh so important rights end when they upset you?

Children are not their parents' body.

The child has the right to their own medical sovereignty, which includes being protected/treated for dangerous diseases.

If children did not have the right to correct medical treatment (in spite of their parents' objections), Jehovah's Witness parents could not be overruled, forcing them to let their children have blood transfusions. They can.

If children did not have the right to correct medical care (in spite of their parents' beliefs), parents would not be prosecuted when they try to pray illness away instead of seeking medical intervention, resulting in the child's death. They are. Often with murder.

Parents have a duty to seek safe and appropriate medical care for their children, including vaccination.

I do think that mandatory vaccination should be considered -- at least for illnesses that have a devastating effect like measles and polio.

As an aside, at my UK university, you did have to be fully vaccinated to live in Halls of Residence. I think that's a sensible idea.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:50 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That kind of ends with contagious diseases.


Why? Why do the oh so important rights end when they upset you?


When they endanger public health they do. That is why we tell smokers where they can and cannot smoke.
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Postby 95X » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:23 pm

USS Monitor wrote:Or you could just vaccinate the kids and let the whole family get on with their lives.
Yes, maybe along with a note after the fact that says "oh hey by the way your child was vaccinated during a mandatory vaccination at school today". And just say there is a public health requirement that is greater than one's freedom of religion/speech/etc. And one's freedoms aren't being violated, they're free to say what they want and free to practice their religion, and the country that gives one those freedoms says your kids gets vaccinated.

The Free Joy State wrote:Parents have a duty to seek safe and appropriate medical care for their children, including vaccination.

I do think that mandatory vaccination should be considered -- at least for illnesses that have a devastating effect like measles and polio.
I think a lot of people these days don't know how to raise children but don't want anyone to step in to help.
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Postby Aclion » Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:10 am

Liriena wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That kind of ends with contagious diseases.

See: laws that penalize people with STIs or HIV/AIDS who don't disclose their status to their non-infected partners and have unprotected sex with them.

Actually, California got rid of those laws.
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Postby Duhon » Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:18 am

Sanctum and Ultima wrote:Call the NKVD so you could call me Sta-
I'm going to address the "Parent's Choice" sect of anti-vaxxerism. Well, didn't you mean "Children are Property"?
They have a right to live.
Some freedoms must be sacrificed so that everyone can be free.


... as other posters have pointed out, you can be prosecuted for deliberately putting your kid in harm's way, which no doubt applies to anti-vaxxers and their kids.

Now, for anti-vaxxers inadvertently infecting the immumologically compromised...

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:38 am

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Liriena wrote:See: laws that penalize people with STIs or HIV/AIDS who don't disclose their status to their non-infected partners and have unprotected sex with them.

Actually, California got rid of those laws.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:22 am

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Liriena wrote:See: laws that penalize people with STIs or HIV/AIDS who don't disclose their status to their non-infected partners and have unprotected sex with them.

Actually, California got rid of those laws.


California is basically not the US at this stage.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:45 am

How on earth does a university have the authority to kidnap people?

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Sanctum and Ultima wrote:Well, we should do what other nations did, but we'll be one step ahead of them: ban non-vaccinated children from schools and public places and jail/execute anti-vaxx parents

Exections for anti-vaxxers would only strengthen them.

Have to say I've never seen anyone come out of an execution stronger than they entered it.
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Sanctum and Ultima wrote:Well, we should do what other nations did, but we'll be one step ahead of them: ban non-vaccinated children from schools and public places and jail/execute anti-vaxx parents

Yeah let's deny children an education because their parents never got them vaccinated.
I'm quite happy that I don't live in your world, since the only jab I've ever had was prior to removing a tooth.

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Aclion wrote:
Liriena wrote:See: laws that penalize people with STIs or HIV/AIDS who don't disclose their status to their non-infected partners and have unprotected sex with them.

Actually, California got rid of those laws.

It didn't. It changed the punishment from 3-8 years in prison to 6 months.
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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Sanctum and Ultima wrote:Well, we should do what other nations did, but we'll be one step ahead of them: ban non-vaccinated children from schools and public places and jail/execute anti-vaxx parents

Yeah let's deny children an education because their parents never got them vaccinated.
I'm quite happy that I don't live in your world, since the only jab I've ever had was prior to removing a tooth.

I'd be much happier if you didn't live in my world, since I enjoy not playing "15th Century Plague Roulette".
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Conserative Morality wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Yeah let's deny children an education because their parents never got them vaccinated.
I'm quite happy that I don't live in your world, since the only jab I've ever had was prior to removing a tooth.

I'd be much happier if you didn't live in my world, since I enjoy not playing "15th Century Plague Roulette".


Bring back smallpox.

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Bring back smallpox.

Bring back exile for those who expose their nation to disease.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:01 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Bring back smallpox.

Bring back exile for those who expose their nation to disease.

Bring back the black death

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