Hundreds quarantined for measles in 2 CA universities.

[The Aria]

According to https://www.answers.com/Q/What_do_vaccines_contain vaccines contain weakened or dead version of what its supposed to prevent.

So you are saying you believe injecting weakened or dead disease should be mandatory because bringing back dead diseases is bad.

Huh?

It is so your immune system develops antibodies to fight the infection, so a full blown strain of the pathogen later on doesn't cause as much damage/get you sick. Vaccines are safe, and your source admits that the weakened pathogen cannot cause the disease. There's no contradiction, and it seems like you're trying to invent one.

Or so thats the theory.

[Kowani]

Where are these thousands of dead people?

I dont know i dont own the gravesites

…You’d think thousands of deaths via vaccine would show up via coroners reports.

Side note: Death rate without vaccines: 20,000
Vaccine caused deaths: 1-9

[The Black Forrest]

Thousands?

Vaccines are very well tolerated, and definitely better than the potentially fatal risks of diseases like measles.

Bring me evidence to prove otherwise. Official sources (government websites, health sources, medical journals), not eek-vaccines-will-kill-you.com

You say bring me evidence but then you restrict it to sources that will be from only one side...

You are not limited.

You stated thousands die from vaccines. People asked for credible sources. Some unknown blog isn't a source. Hell that stupid autism "study" is still getting passed around even though it's been disprove several times over.

So prove your claim of thousands of deaths.

[Kowani]

It is so your immune system develops antibodies to fight the infection, so a full blown strain of the pathogen later on doesn't cause as much damage/get you sick. Vaccines are safe, and your source admits that the weakened pathogen cannot cause the disease. There's no contradiction, and it seems like you're trying to invent one.

Or so thats the theory.

In the same way gravity is a theory, yes.

[The Black Forrest]

It is so your immune system develops antibodies to fight the infection, so a full blown strain of the pathogen later on doesn't cause as much damage/get you sick. Vaccines are safe, and your source admits that the weakened pathogen cannot cause the disease. There's no contradiction, and it seems like you're trying to invent one.

Or so thats the theory.

Ok. You don't understand vaccines let alone theories.

[The Aria]

:twisted:

Why do you think its sad?

I think most anti-vaxers dont say anything because you people put words in our mouths and many of the ones who do say things and have blogs and stuff get shut down by the government

It might be worth considering that anti-vaxxer stuff is on (mostly) anonymous blogs, run by Mummy Bloggers with zero medical training and no oversight; meanwhile articles in favour of vaccines is found in highly-respected medical journals, run by experienced scientists with degrees up to their armpits and high editorial standards.

To me, that suggests that the burden of proof has always been on those in favour of vaccines (Mummy Bloggers just need a Google account; not any credentials). Those who believe in vaccination have met that burden of proof consistently.

If any anti-vaxxer would like to provide actual scientific evidence for their theory, there's a whole scientific community of journals waiting to offer scrutiny. I believe said journals will keep waiting.

Yeah except they wont let you get a medical degree if your an anti-vaxer because 'that wouldnt help there agenda'

[Neanderthaland]

Thousands?

Vaccines are very well tolerated, and definitely better than the potentially fatal risks of diseases like measles.

Bring me evidence to prove otherwise. Official sources (government websites, health sources, medical journals), not eek-vaccines-will-kill-you.com

You say bring me evidence but then you restrict it to sources that will be from only one side...

They restricted it to sources that have an obligation to tell the truth. The fact that all of those sources are against you has entirely to do with your side being completely wrong and ignorant.

Hell, you didn't even know how vaccines work until page 18, and we're supposed to trust your expertise?

[The Free Joy State]

Thousands?

Vaccines are very well tolerated, and definitely better than the potentially fatal risks of diseases like measles.

Bring me evidence to prove otherwise. Official sources (government websites, health sources, medical journals), not eek-vaccines-will-kill-you.com

You say bring me evidence but then you restrict it to sources that will be from only one side...

If there is real evidence of deaths being caused by vaccines, it will be in an official report (causes of death have to be reported).

An anonymous blogger is no evidence at all, and it will never be accepted.

[The Aria]

Or so thats the theory.

Ok. You don't understand vaccines let alone theories.

I could say the same about you

[The Black Forrest]

It might be worth considering that anti-vaxxer stuff is on (mostly) anonymous blogs, run by Mummy Bloggers with zero medical training and no oversight; meanwhile articles in favour of vaccines is found in highly-respected medical journals, run by experienced scientists with degrees up to their armpits and high editorial standards.

To me, that suggests that the burden of proof has always been on those in favour of vaccines (Mummy Bloggers just need a Google account; not any credentials). Those who believe in vaccination have met that burden of proof consistently.

If any anti-vaxxer would like to provide actual scientific evidence for their theory, there's a whole scientific community of journals waiting to offer scrutiny. I believe said journals will keep waiting.

Yeah except they wont let you get a medical degree if your an anti-vaxer because 'that wouldnt help there agenda'

Source?

[Neanderthaland]

It is so your immune system develops antibodies to fight the infection, so a full blown strain of the pathogen later on doesn't cause as much damage/get you sick. Vaccines are safe, and your source admits that the weakened pathogen cannot cause the disease. There's no contradiction, and it seems like you're trying to invent one.

Or so thats the theory.

Seen any smallpox around recently?

I didn't think so.

[The Black Forrest]

Ok. You don't understand vaccines let alone theories.

I could say the same about you

You could but your problem is I have shown an understanding of how it works. You haven't.

[Neanderthaland]

Ok. You don't understand vaccines let alone theories.

I could say the same about you

You could, but we'd all roll our eyes.

[The Free Joy State]

It might be worth considering that anti-vaxxer stuff is on (mostly) anonymous blogs, run by Mummy Bloggers with zero medical training and no oversight; meanwhile articles in favour of vaccines is found in highly-respected medical journals, run by experienced scientists with degrees up to their armpits and high editorial standards.

To me, that suggests that the burden of proof has always been on those in favour of vaccines (Mummy Bloggers just need a Google account; not any credentials). Those who believe in vaccination have met that burden of proof consistently.

If any anti-vaxxer would like to provide actual scientific evidence for their theory, there's a whole scientific community of journals waiting to offer scrutiny. I believe said journals will keep waiting.

Yeah except they wont let you get a medical degree if your an anti-vaxer because 'that wouldnt help there agenda'

"They won't let you get a medical degree..."

What new conspiracy theory is this? Again -- evidence (from a medical school's website, please).

I've known people who have gone to medical school. They were asked about their grades, they were asked about their extra-curricular activities. They were not asked if they were anti-vaxxers.

Of course, I don't imagine scientific evidence (which doctors generally follow) leading many to being an anti-vaxxer.

[The Aria]

You say bring me evidence but then you restrict it to sources that will be from only one side...

They restricted it to sources that have an obligation to pretend to tell the truth. The fact that all of those sources are against you has entirely to do with your side being completely wrong and ignorant. parts of the government being corrupt.
Hell, you didn't even know how vaccines work until page 18, and we're supposed to trust your expertise?

[Kowani]

They restricted it to sources that have an obligation to pretend to tell the truth. The fact that all of those sources are against you has entirely to do with your side being completely wrong and ignorant. parts of the government being corrupt.
Hell, you didn't even know how vaccines work until page 18, and we're supposed to trust your expertise?

So. What would convince you that vaccines don’t kill people?

[The Aria]

I could say the same about you

You could but your problem is I have shown an understanding of how it works. You haven't.

You have? Where?

[The Aria]

I could say the same about you

You could, but we'd all roll our eyes.

Rolling your eyes doesn't make it any less true

[Perkonio]

The closest thing in real life to a Nurgle Cult.

Andrew Wakefield, others hold anti-vaccine rally amid raging measles outbreaks

Just scary tbh. It reminds me of the "anti vac friends get togethers" where parents are purposely introducing their kids to measles etc

[Neanderthaland]

They restricted it to sources that have an obligation to pretend to tell the truth. The fact that all of those sources are against you has entirely to do with your side being completely wrong and ignorant. parts of the government being corrupt.
Hell, you didn't even know how vaccines work until page 18, and we're supposed to trust your expertise?

Dude, vaccines are older than the government.

[Neanderthaland]

You could, but we'd all roll our eyes.

Rolling your eyes doesn't make it any less true

And saying that it's true doesn't make it true either. So far you haven't given any evidence to back your claims. Or any evidence to suggest that you understand vaccination, or medical science generally.

I wouldn't trust you to trim my toenails.

[Gormwood]

Rolling your eyes doesn't make it any less true

And saying that it's true doesn't make it true either. So far you haven't given any evidence to back your claims. Or any evidence to suggest that you understand vaccination, or medical science generally.

I wouldn't trust you to trim my toenails.

Butt-chugging Clorox cures autism! /s

[The Black Forrest]

You could but your problem is I have shown an understanding of how it works. You haven't.

You have? Where?

immunity? For vaccinations? So vaccinations are deadly?

For them sure. Their immune systems are still developing. Vaccines are injecting dead or weakened atigens into the body. Our immune system gets trained to handle the real virus by creating antibodies in response. Once the perceived threat has passed many of the antibodies break down but immune cells called memory cells remain.

[The Aria]

Yeah except they wont let you get a medical degree if your an anti-vaxer because 'that wouldnt help there agenda'

"They won't let you get a medical degree..."

What new conspiracy theory is this? Again -- evidence (from a medical school's website, please).

I've known people who have gone to medical school. They were asked about their grades, they were asked about their extra-curricular activities. They were not asked if they were anti-vaxxers.

Of course, I don't imagine scientific evidence (which doctors generally do not follow when it comes to proving thimgs for the government agenda) leading many to being an anti-vaxxer.

Again they wont let people who side with anti-vaxers to post on medical's school, s websites

Therr are other ways of knowing things besides asking

[Gormwood]

"They won't let you get a medical degree..."

What new conspiracy theory is this? Again -- evidence (from a medical school's website, please).

I've known people who have gone to medical school. They were asked about their grades, they were asked about their extra-curricular activities. They were not asked if they were anti-vaxxers.

Of course, I don't imagine scientific evidence (which doctors generally do not follow when it comes to proving thimgs for the government agenda) leading many to being an anti-vaxxer.

Again they wont let people who side with anti-vaxers to post on medical's school, s websites

Therr are other ways of knowing things besides asking

You're making a special pleading on behalf of anti-vaxxers.