Yes, there is.
TBF, they probably didn't even say "Sorry for your loss", but otherwise that seems to be the measure of it.
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by The Free Joy State » Tue May 14, 2019 9:56 pm
by Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 9:56 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Galloism wrote:Probably not long, but you'd have to prove some kind of intent or reckless endangerment.
The problem is there isn't a generally accepted answer to what caused a miscarriage. States like Georgia and Alabama will take a stance (IMHO) of guilty until proven innocent in these matters. Especially when people find ways to force a termination.....
by Kaystein » Tue May 14, 2019 9:58 pm
by Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 9:58 pm
Kaystein wrote:Why is there discussion about alabama's abortion in a thread about measles in california?
by Gormwood » Tue May 14, 2019 10:06 pm
The Aria wrote:Whos to say vaccinations work.
by Kaystein » Tue May 14, 2019 10:12 pm
by Gormwood » Tue May 14, 2019 10:16 pm
by Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 10:19 pm
Kaystein wrote:Galloism wrote:A few people here suggested it's ok to use the state to violate a person's bodily autonomy to protect a third party from harm.
Shouldn't you just quote the people and make a new thread for it, or just move that topic to the alabama abortion thread then?
It doesn't matter if people are professing to be cannibals, I think we should respect the rules somewhat and not be lazy.
by The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 10:20 pm
Kaystein wrote:Galloism wrote:A few people here suggested it's ok to use the state to violate a person's bodily autonomy to protect a third party from harm.
Shouldn't you just quote the people and make a new thread for it, or just move that topic to the alabama abortion thread then?
It doesn't matter if people are professing to be cannibals, I think we should respect the rules somewhat and not be lazy.
by The Free Joy State » Tue May 14, 2019 10:22 pm
by Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 10:26 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Kaystein wrote:
Shouldn't you just quote the people and make a new thread for it, or just move that topic to the alabama abortion thread then?
It doesn't matter if people are professing to be cannibals, I think we should respect the rules somewhat and not be lazy.
Hmmmmm no not really. Body autonomy comes up in vaccines all the time. You can't escape the moral argument aspects either. Take smallpox for example. Vaccines eliminated it from the world. The remnant remains in labs. The moral argument? Do we have a right to make a life form extinct by force?
by Neanderthaland » Tue May 14, 2019 10:27 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Kaystein wrote:
Shouldn't you just quote the people and make a new thread for it, or just move that topic to the alabama abortion thread then?
It doesn't matter if people are professing to be cannibals, I think we should respect the rules somewhat and not be lazy.
Hmmmmm no not really. Body autonomy comes up in vaccines all the time. You can't escape the moral argument aspects either. Take smallpox for example. Vaccines eliminated it from the world. The remnant remains in labs. The moral argument? Do we have a right to make a life form extinct by force?
by The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 10:31 pm
Galloism wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmmmm no not really. Body autonomy comes up in vaccines all the time. You can't escape the moral argument aspects either. Take smallpox for example. Vaccines eliminated it from the world. The remnant remains in labs. The moral argument? Do we have a right to make a life form extinct by force?
I mean, when it comes to making other life forms extinct, haven't we done that a number of times already just in the last couple centuries?
by Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 10:32 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Galloism wrote:I mean, when it comes to making other life forms extinct, haven't we done that a number of times already just in the last couple centuries?
Ahh true. But were those efforts a conscious effort to eliminate them? The case of smallpox would be conscious effort. Granted I am leaving out the arguments of keeping them around as other might still keep them for weapon purposes which wouldn't suit the thread.
by The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 10:33 pm
Neanderthaland wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmmmm no not really. Body autonomy comes up in vaccines all the time. You can't escape the moral argument aspects either. Take smallpox for example. Vaccines eliminated it from the world. The remnant remains in labs. The moral argument? Do we have a right to make a life form extinct by force?
Yeah... no.
This isn't that episode of Dr. Who when he debates if he can wipe out the Daleks. Smallpox isn't a thinking or feeling thing. It's questionably even alive.
by The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 10:35 pm
Galloism wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Ahh true. But were those efforts a conscious effort to eliminate them? The case of smallpox would be conscious effort. Granted I am leaving out the arguments of keeping them around as other might still keep them for weapon purposes which wouldn't suit the thread.
Well, I'd keep smallpox around in a lab for research purposes - just in case we need it. The HIV thing comes to mind. But that has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with you never know if you might need it after you destroy it.
by The Aria » Tue May 14, 2019 10:36 pm
The Free Joy State wrote:The Aria wrote:What science and history?
A list of vaccine preventable diseases.
How Vaccines Prevent Disease
How Do Vaccines Work
Herd Immunity and Vaccines
by Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 10:37 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Galloism wrote:Well, I'd keep smallpox around in a lab for research purposes - just in case we need it. The HIV thing comes to mind. But that has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with you never know if you might need it after you destroy it.
There is an argument for that as I can think of one or two "cousins" have been seen which freaked people out.
The problem is we are no longer immune to it. If it got out of the lab.....it would be nasty. Vaccine makers could fill the need fast enough.....
by The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 10:37 pm
The Aria wrote:
I found it ironic that one of your sources says you need to give vaccines to baby's while another one of your sources says you cant give vaccines to babies because there immunity system cant handle it
by The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 10:38 pm
Galloism wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
There is an argument for that as I can think of one or two "cousins" have been seen which freaked people out.
The problem is we are no longer immune to it. If it got out of the lab.....it would be nasty. Vaccine makers could fill the need fast enough.....
Well, we do need to guard the shit out of it.
(I'm immune to smallpox, but I'm old.)
by Neanderthaland » Tue May 14, 2019 10:39 pm
The Aria wrote:
I found it ironic that one of your sources says you need to give vaccines to baby's while another one of your sources says you cant give vaccines to babies because there immunity system cant handle it
by Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 10:40 pm
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