Hundreds quarantined for measles in 2 CA universities.

[Kowani]

Profit.

How does that earn them a profit?

He had his own brand of vaccines (which didn’t work, by the way) that conveniently didn’t cause Autism.

[Chernoslavia]

Amazing how the left continue to inadvertently show their true colors when it comes to things like healthcare, vaccines, and guns.

I am a right-wing Libertarian, and I believe that vaccines should be mandatory. Why? Bringing back dead diseases is a bad thing.

Cool story? Most of us still believe in body autonomy.

[Gormwood]

I am a right-wing Libertarian, and I believe that vaccines should be mandatory. Why? Bringing back dead diseases is a bad thing.

Cool story? Most of us still believe in body autonomy.

Perfectly fine when your "bodily autonomy" infects the vulnerable public.

[The Black Forrest]

I am a right-wing Libertarian, and I believe that vaccines should be mandatory. Why? Bringing back dead diseases is a bad thing.

Cool story? Most of us still believe in body autonomy.

And you brought back an extinct disease and increased infection rates of mumps and rubella.

Good job!

[Kowani]

I am a right-wing Libertarian, and I believe that vaccines should be mandatory. Why? Bringing back dead diseases is a bad thing.

Cool story? Most of us still believe in body autonomy.

“I have the right to violate other people’s rights!”

[Dooom35796821595]

I am a right-wing Libertarian, and I believe that vaccines should be mandatory. Why? Bringing back dead diseases is a bad thing.

Cool story? Most of us still believe in body autonomy.

So do we. Which is why people need vaccines, to protect their bodily autonomy against virulent and deadly disease.

[Chernoslavia]

Why would someone spread a lie about that?

I don't have a reasonable answer for that one.

Libertarians forcing the body integrity thing? People having autistic children and looking for something to blame?

I think soccer moms are the only people who buy into the whole autism nonsense.

[Chernoslavia]

Cool story? Most of us still believe in body autonomy.

“I have the right to violate other people’s rights!”

That's literally you

[Arayas]

Cool story? Most of us still believe in body autonomy.

And you brought back an extinct disease and increased infection rates of mumps and rubella.

Good job!

Not exactly extinct if it's still around eh?

[The Aria]

If you get Vacations you gain immunity to the disease right? Then why does it matter if others get vaccinations? As far as your own heath.

[Galloism]

I think you missed a word. I don’t understand the last part.

That being said, regarding the first part, giving them ammunition actually does matter. If you don’t understand why, you should pay a little bit more attention to common law history.

Opps left out "are willing'

I'm sorry I just can't understand your view of contagious diseases are ok for "body integrity" and to save RvW.

I'm not sure I'd go with "ok", but rather "better than the alternative". These people are asshats, but that doesn't mean they don't have human rights.

These arguments - that bodily autonomy is less important than saving lives - leads to a lot of really bad conclusions. Chief among them in my mind (largely because of the political realities of the day) is the banning of abortions and all that that entailed (I wouldn't wish forced pregnancy on anyone). But it also involves conscripting, forced medical testing, and all sorts of other violations of bodily autonomy for "the greater good". These arguments WILL be turned around and used on us in the future.

It's important we draw a line in the sand on bodily autonomy. And be willing to pay the price that is the same for every freedom - the blood price.

Even the UN tacitly endorses this position, from their women on health, 1999 recommendation:

(e) Require all health services to be consistent with the human rights of women, including the rights to autonomy, privacy, confidentiality, informed consent and choice;

https://tbinternet.ohchr.org/Treaties/C ... 4738_E.pdf

I mean, I get these people are assholes. But anytime you have human rights there's gonna be assholes.

[Gormwood]

If you get Vacations you gain immunity to the disease right? Then why does it matter if others get vaccinations? As far as your own heath.

Herd immunity. The more people vaccinated, the better off people who physically cannot get vaccinated are.

[Kowani]

“I have the right to violate other people’s rights!”

That's literally you

I don’t believe in Rights anyway, so there’s that.

But no, in this case, it’s your myopic view of “liberty.”

[Chernoslavia]

Cool story? Most of us still believe in body autonomy.

And you brought back an extinct disease and increased infection rates of mumps and rubella.

Good job!

Except it was never extinct. Like I said, you're welcome to go elsewhere or stay out of the US if you're willing to violate other people's rights.

[Farnhamia]

If you get Vacations you gain immunity to the disease right? Then why does it matter if others get vaccinations? As far as your own heath.

Some people, such as infants, can't be vaccinated. Others may be allergic to the vaccine. The idea is to vaccinated a very large percentage of the population so those vulnerable people are protected. Look up herd immunity.

[The Aria]

If you get Vacations you gain immunity to the disease right? Then why does it matter if others get vaccinations? As far as your own heath.

Herd immunity. The more people vaccinated, the better off people who physically cannot get vaccinated are.

Can you give me an example of someone who cannot physical get vaccinated.

[Galloism]

True, but the chances that a given unvaccinated person will cause another person’s death is exceptionally low. Not zero, but exceptionally low (last death was in 2015).

From the perspective of a person who sees a fetus as a person, the risk of another person’s death from abortion is 100%.

This would justify far greater intrusions into bodily autonomy.

You know that whole thing about prohibition of abortions not actually stopping abortion?
“Safe, rare and legal.”

The legislature honestly only has to believe it will have an impact in this regard, and they will use your logic to justify it.

[Gormwood]

And you brought back an extinct disease and increased infection rates of mumps and rubella.

Good job!

Except it was never extinct. Like I said, you're welcome to go elsewhere or stay out of the US if you're willing to violate other people's rights.

New York measles outbreaks worsen, bringing nationwide total to 839 cases so far this year, CDC says

[Chernoslavia]

That's literally you

I don’t believe in Rights anyway, so there’s that.

But no, in this case, it’s your myopic view of “liberty.”

Yeah I don't need you to tell me that.

And your myopic view of what constitutes as being a ''danger'' to others.

[Arayas]

If you get Vacations you gain immunity to the disease right? Then why does it matter if others get vaccinations? As far as your own heath.

Herd immunity. The more people vaccinated, the better off people who physically cannot get vaccinated are.

Who can't get vaccinated?

[Kowani]

Herd immunity. The more people vaccinated, the better off people who physically cannot get vaccinated are.

Can you give me an example of someone who cannot physical get vaccinated.

Babies, young children, the elderly, people with autoimmune diseases…

[Inkopolitia]

I am a right-wing Libertarian, and I believe that vaccines should be mandatory. Why? Bringing back dead diseases is a bad thing.

Cool story? Most of us still believe in body autonomy.

Body autonomy means killing people who can't get vaccinated?

[The Aria]

Can you give me an example of someone who cannot physical get vaccinated.

Babies, young children, the elderly, people with autoimmune diseases…

I thought vaccines were given to babies

[The Black Forrest]

Opps left out "are willing'

I'm sorry I just can't understand your view of contagious diseases are ok for "body integrity" and to save RvW.

I'm not sure I'd go with "ok", but rather "better than the alternative". These people are asshats, but that doesn't mean they don't have human rights.

These arguments - that bodily autonomy is less important than saving lives - leads to a lot of really bad conclusions. Chief among them in my mind (largely because of the political realities of the day) is the banning of abortions and all that that entailed (I wouldn't wish forced pregnancy on anyone). But it also involves conscripting, forced medical testing, and all sorts of other violations of bodily autonomy for "the greater good". These arguments WILL be turned around and used on us in the future.

It's important we draw a line in the sand on bodily autonomy. And be willing to pay the price that is the same for every freedom - the blood price.

Even the UN tacitly endorses this position, from their women on health, 1999 recommendation:

(e) Require all health services to be consistent with the human rights of women, including the rights to autonomy, privacy, confidentiality, informed consent and choice;

https://tbinternet.ohchr.org/Treaties/C ... 4738_E.pdf

I mean, I get these people are assholes. But anytime you have human rights there's gonna be assholes.

Don't get me wrong; I am all for a better solution. If the body integrity types have something to make it extinct again; I am willing to hear it.

The problem here is MMR worked. Their solution brought the disease back and infection rates are increasing for M and R.

[Kowani]

You know that whole thing about prohibition of abortions not actually stopping abortion?
“Safe, rare and legal.”

The legislature honestly only has to believe it will have an impact in this regard, and they will use your logic to justify it.

The legislature can also be reminded that a fetus is not legally a person. And if not, they can deal with trying to reconcile exemptions for rape and incest.

I don’t believe in Rights anyway, so there’s that.

But no, in this case, it’s your myopic view of “liberty.”

Yeah I don't need you to tell me that.

And your myopic view of what constitutes as being a ''danger'' to others.

It is not particularly hard, to tell.