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by Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 8:43 pm
by The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 8:44 pm
by Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 8:44 pm
by Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 8:45 pm
by Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 8:46 pm
by The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 8:46 pm
by The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 8:49 pm
by Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 8:49 pm
by Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 8:49 pm
by Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 8:50 pm
by The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 8:51 pm
by Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 8:52 pm
by Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 8:53 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Galloism wrote:You’re attempting to narrow your answer to the question, but I’m not sure why.
How is the question of measles vaccines narrowing an answer?
A highly contagious disease is a damn good reason to "violate" "body integrity"
I sometimes wonder if libertarians on behind the vaccine causes autism nonsense which started this crap?
by Gormwood » Tue May 14, 2019 8:54 pm
by Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 8:56 pm
by Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 8:57 pm
Galloism wrote:Kowani wrote:Yes.The Black Forrest wrote:
How is the question of measles vaccines narrowing an answer?
A highly contagious disease is a damn good reason to "violate" "body integrity"
I sometimes wonder if libertarians on behind the vaccine causes autism nonsense which started this crap?
I’m asking for a particular reason. Has nothing to do with autism.
This notion, that we can forcibly vaccinate a person, temporarily violating their bodily autonomy, in order to protect a third party from harm is extremely problematic.
Namely, it gives extremely good cover to antiabortion activists, who are arguing roughly the same thing and for the same reason, that the violation of bodily autonomy is only temporary but it protects a third party from death.
I’m a big fan of vaccines, they’ve done more good than most people understand, but as soon as you go down that road that we can violate bodily autonomy to protect a third party, you open yourself to consequences we don’t want as a society.
by Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 8:57 pm
by Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 9:00 pm
by The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 9:00 pm
Galloism wrote:Kowani wrote:Yes.The Black Forrest wrote:
How is the question of measles vaccines narrowing an answer?
A highly contagious disease is a damn good reason to "violate" "body integrity"
I sometimes wonder if libertarians on behind the vaccine causes autism nonsense which started this crap?
I’m asking for a particular reason. Has nothing to do with autism.
This notion, that we can forcibly vaccinate a person, temporarily violating their bodily autonomy, in order to protect a third party from harm is extremely problematic.
Namely, it gives extremely good cover to antiabortion activists, who are arguing roughly the same thing and for the same reason, that the violation of bodily autonomy is only temporary but it protects a third party from death.
I’m a big fan of vaccines, they’ve done more good than most people understand, but as soon as you go down that road that we can violate bodily autonomy to protect a third party, you open yourself to consequences we don’t want as a society.
by Gormwood » Tue May 14, 2019 9:01 pm
by Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 9:01 pm
Kowani wrote:Galloism wrote:
I’m asking for a particular reason. Has nothing to do with autism.
This notion, that we can forcibly vaccinate a person, temporarily violating their bodily autonomy, in order to protect a third party from harm is extremely problematic.
Namely, it gives extremely good cover to antiabortion activists, who are arguing roughly the same thing and for the same reason, that the violation of bodily autonomy is only temporary but it protects a third party from death.
I’m a big fan of vaccines, they’ve done more good than most people understand, but as soon as you go down that road that we can violate bodily autonomy to protect a third party, you open yourself to consequences we don’t want as a society.
The other third party is a person with autonomy and agency, a fetus is neither of those things. Heck, it’s not sapient most of the time. The rest of the general public is.
by Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 9:03 pm
Galloism wrote:Kowani wrote:The other third party is a person with autonomy and agency, a fetus is neither of those things. Heck, it’s not sapient most of the time. The rest of the general public is.
Babies aren’t sapient either, for the record. It’s a little fuzzy, but we tend to think of them as sapient when they can pass the mirror test, usually somewhere between 18 and 24 months.
by Gormwood » Tue May 14, 2019 9:03 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Galloism wrote:
I’m asking for a particular reason. Has nothing to do with autism.
This notion, that we can forcibly vaccinate a person, temporarily violating their bodily autonomy, in order to protect a third party from harm is extremely problematic.
Namely, it gives extremely good cover to antiabortion activists, who are arguing roughly the same thing and for the same reason, that the violation of bodily autonomy is only temporary but it protects a third party from death.
I’m a big fan of vaccines, they’ve done more good than most people understand, but as soon as you go down that road that we can violate bodily autonomy to protect a third party, you open yourself to consequences we don’t want as a society.
Obviously not every vaccine should be enforced. They tried in impress on my girl to get the uterine cancer vaccine. We declined due to her age (4th grade) never mind it wasn't contagious.
Measles is contagious and was extinct. Body integrity brought it back.
This being an argument for abortion? Bring it on; if they haven't tried already. Never mind they aren't concerned about the concept of body integrity.
by Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:04 pm
by Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 9:04 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Galloism wrote:
I’m asking for a particular reason. Has nothing to do with autism.
This notion, that we can forcibly vaccinate a person, temporarily violating their bodily autonomy, in order to protect a third party from harm is extremely problematic.
Namely, it gives extremely good cover to antiabortion activists, who are arguing roughly the same thing and for the same reason, that the violation of bodily autonomy is only temporary but it protects a third party from death.
I’m a big fan of vaccines, they’ve done more good than most people understand, but as soon as you go down that road that we can violate bodily autonomy to protect a third party, you open yourself to consequences we don’t want as a society.
Obviously not every vaccine should be enforced. They tried in impress on my girl to get the uterine cancer vaccine. We declined due to her age (4th grade) never mind it wasn't contagious.
Measles is contagious and was extinct. Body integrity brought it back.
This being an argument for abortion? Bring it on; if they haven't tried already. Never mind they aren't concerned about the concept of body integrity.
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