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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 8:15 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Why are you so pro-disease?


Nice strawman. Why are you pro-authority?


Because in this case the medical authorities have it right. Capisce?

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 8:17 pm

Kowani wrote:
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That would be a valid argument if the person in question is infected with measles and is spreading it around.
No, actually. The prevention is better than the cure-especially when we know what will happen if there is no prevention.
Chernoslavia wrote:Wrong again.

So, do you plan on explaining how, or…?


Yet you can still be rid of measles if you seek treatment. You don't have the right to go out in public and infect others with measles, but that doesn't mean you can make people get vaccinated.

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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 8:19 pm

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Nice strawman. Why are you pro-authority?


Because in this case the medical authorities have it right. Capisce?


Nope. You have no business to other people's bodies, you can restrict them from government services, you can try to stop them if they are infected AND go around spreading their disease in public, but you cannot and will not force people who are independent adults to get vaxxed. That's a bad idea.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 8:20 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote: No, actually. The prevention is better than the cure-especially when we know what will happen if there is no prevention.

So, do you plan on explaining how, or…?


Yet you can still be rid of measles if you seek treatment. You don't have the right to go out in public and infect others with measles, but that doesn't mean you can make people get vaccinated.

later.


Hmmmm? A highly contagious disease which can kill people? Yeaaa enforced vaccination is a good thing.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 8:22 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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Yet you can still be rid of measles if you seek treatment. You don't have the right to go out in public and infect others with measles, but that doesn't mean you can make people get vaccinated.

later.


Hmmmm? A highly contagious disease which can kill people? Yeaaa enforced vaccination is a good thing.


Yet not a lot of people die from them, despite millions of people not getting vaccinated.

Please note that I'm not anti vaccination, I do not believe it causes autism, but I do not support government forcing it on people.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Tue May 14, 2019 8:22 pm

Oh, terrific.

I certainly hope that it ends quickly and does not come northwards to the Bay Area.
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 8:23 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
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Because in this case the medical authorities have it right. Capisce?


Nope. You have no business to other people's bodies, you can restrict them from government services, you can try to stop them if they are infected AND go around spreading their disease in public, but you cannot and will not force people who are independent adults to get vaxxed. That's a bad idea.


Except restricting them from government services inadvertently leaves them free to infect others, and leaving adults be while they are sick with easily preventable diseases leaves them free to spread their shit around. So long as they are ambulatory they will demand freedom of movement, and with their freedom of movement comes risks that I for one will not countenance.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 8:24 pm

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Hmmmm? A highly contagious disease which can kill people? Yeaaa enforced vaccination is a good thing.


Yet not a lot of people die from them, despite millions of people not getting vaccinated.


Irrelevant and misleading. The disease is spreading. This disease was declared extinct in the US in 2000. These dumb fuck anti-vaxers brought it back in force.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:24 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Because in this case the medical authorities have it right. Capisce?


Nope. You have no business to other people's bodies, you can restrict them from government services, you can try to stop them if they are infected AND go around spreading their disease in public, but you cannot and will not force people who are indemendent adults to get vaxxed. That's a bad idea.


The problem is people not getting their kids vaccinated.

And does the government have the right to quarantine unvaccinated individuals to a small island in the Pacific?

And did you see my post about the potential casualties of another global pandemic? 70 million plus. But so long as you have your imaginary liberty, all good right?
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Postby Andsed » Tue May 14, 2019 8:25 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmmm? A highly contagious disease which can kill people? Yeaaa enforced vaccination is a good thing.


Yet not a lot of people die from them, despite millions of people not getting vaccinated.

Stop lying to defend anti vaxxers please. It is getting old fast.

https://www.mphonline.org/truth-about-measles-vaccines/

measles killed many before vaccines were introduced. The only reason why people are not suffering on mass like they used to do is because many of us used are brains and got vaccinated.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 8:27 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
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Nope. You have no business to other people's bodies, you can restrict them from government services, you can try to stop them if they are infected AND go around spreading their disease in public, but you cannot and will not force people who are indemendent adults to get vaxxed. That's a bad idea.


The problem is people not getting their kids vaccinated.

And does the government have the right to quarantine unvaccinated individuals to a small island in the Pacific?

And did you see my post about the potential casualties of another global pandemic? 70 million plus. But so long as you have your imaginary liberty, all good right?


Not talking about kids, I'm talking about you guys thinking you have control over other people's bodies, people who are able to make their own decisions.

Never said they do, that's exactly what I'm against.

And I bet it's just as bullshit as AOC's endoftheworld fear mongering.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 8:30 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The problem is people not getting their kids vaccinated.

And does the government have the right to quarantine unvaccinated individuals to a small island in the Pacific?

And did you see my post about the potential casualties of another global pandemic? 70 million plus. But so long as you have your imaginary liberty, all good right?


Not talking about kids, I'm talking about you guys thinking you have control over other people's bodies, people who are able to make their own decisions.

Never said they do, that's exactly what I'm against.

And I bet it's just as bullshit as AOC's endoftheworld fear mongering.


A highly contagious disease which can kill people (not mentioning all the other things it does) over rules you silly FREEDUM!!!!! arguments.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 8:32 pm

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Yet not a lot of people die from them, despite millions of people not getting vaccinated.

Stop lying to defend anti vaxxers please. It is getting old fast.

https://www.mphonline.org/truth-about-measles-vaccines/

measles killed many before vaccines were introduced. The only reason why people are not suffering on mass like they used to do is because many of us used are brains and got vaccinated.


How am I lying? How many people actually die from measles in the US? Answer the question.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:35 pm

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Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The problem is people not getting their kids vaccinated.

And does the government have the right to quarantine unvaccinated individuals to a small island in the Pacific?

And did you see my post about the potential casualties of another global pandemic? 70 million plus. But so long as you have your imaginary liberty, all good right?


Not talking about kids, I'm talking about you guys thinking you have control over other people's bodies, people who are able to make their own decisions.

Never said they do, that's exactly what I'm against.

And I bet it's just as bullshit as AOC's endoftheworld fear mongering.


Well, since most are vaccinated in childhood, it is mainly I’ll informed parents refusing to vaccinate their children causing the problem.

AOC? Would it kill people to type the words.
And it’s not fear mongering, it’s history and biology. Fact in other words. Vaccination should be mandatory, as well as an outreach and education program to inform people how important they are. Vaccines are regrettably a victim of their own success in preventing the spread of disease in that people have no living memory of how terrible life was before them.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 8:36 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Not talking about kids, I'm talking about you guys thinking you have control over other people's bodies, people who are able to make their own decisions.

Never said they do, that's exactly what I'm against.

And I bet it's just as bullshit as AOC's endoftheworld fear mongering.


A highly contagious disease which can kill people (not mentioning all the other things it does) over rules you silly FREEDUM!!!!! arguments.


No it doesn't, and you can go elsewhere with that authoritarian bullshit. Especially considering that millions of people don't get vaccinated yet most of them don't get infected still, it is a higher possibility for someone to get it if they aren't vaxxed, but it's more about exposure.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 8:37 pm

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I got news for you then - Millions of Americans aren't vaccinated. Go cry about how me not being vaxxed somehow endangers you, but the fact of the matter is that you cannot force people to receive them especially if they aren't infected with anything.


Psssst. You know infants can't get vaccinated right?

What's your solution? They have to stay home so you can have your FREEDUM!!!!!

I mean, it does beg the question if your bodily autonomy can be violated by order of the state in order to save the life of another human being.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:37 pm

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Andsed wrote:Stop lying to defend anti vaxxers please. It is getting old fast.

https://www.mphonline.org/truth-about-measles-vaccines/

measles killed many before vaccines were introduced. The only reason why people are not suffering on mass like they used to do is because many of us used are brains and got vaccinated.


How am I lying? How many people actually die from measles in the US? Answer the question.


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I'm speculating a lot here.

It's practically the only reason I can think of. This wouldn't have happened if the individuals were vaccinated.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 8:38 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Andsed wrote:Stop lying to defend anti vaxxers please. It is getting old fast.

https://www.mphonline.org/truth-about-measles-vaccines/

measles killed many before vaccines were introduced. The only reason why people are not suffering on mass like they used to do is because many of us used are brains and got vaccinated.


How am I lying? How many people actually die from measles in the US? Answer the question.


Again misleading. The low death rate is the result of MMR.

Your FREEDUM!!!! does not overrule this.
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Psssst. You know infants can't get vaccinated right?

What's your solution? They have to stay home so you can have your FREEDUM!!!!!

I mean, it does beg the question if your bodily autonomy can be violated by order of the state in order to save the life of another human being.

The State can violate one’s bodily autonomy so as to prevent the bodily autonomy of others from being negatively violated.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 8:40 pm

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Not talking about kids, I'm talking about you guys thinking you have control over other people's bodies, people who are able to make their own decisions.

Never said they do, that's exactly what I'm against.

And I bet it's just as bullshit as AOC's endoftheworld fear mongering.


Well, since most are vaccinated in childhood, it is mainly I’ll informed parents refusing to vaccinate their children causing the problem.

AOC? Would it kill people to type the words.
And it’s not fear mongering, it’s history and biology. Fact in other words. Vaccination should be mandatory, as well as an outreach and education program to inform people how important they are. Vaccines are regrettably a victim of their own success in preventing the spread of disease in that people have no living memory of how terrible life was before them.


Sadly yes, deny them public schooling and deny the parents services and you'll see how fast they'll change their minds.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 8:40 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
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A highly contagious disease which can kill people (not mentioning all the other things it does) over rules you silly FREEDUM!!!!! arguments.


No it doesn't, and you can go elsewhere with that authoritarian bullshit. Especially considering that millions of people don't get vaccinated yet most of them don't get infected still, it is a higher possibility for someone to get it if they aren't vaxxed, but it's more about exposure.


*sighs* exposure rates increase due to the infection levels increasing. This is not that hard.

Your FREEDUM!!!! is irrelevant in this matter.
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Postby Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 8:40 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, it does beg the question if your bodily autonomy can be violated by order of the state in order to save the life of another human being.

The State can violate one’s bodily autonomy so as to prevent the bodily autonomy of others from being negatively violated.

Are you sure?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 8:41 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:The State can violate one’s bodily autonomy so as to prevent the bodily autonomy of others from being negatively violated.

Are you sure?


Hmmm. You can have exceptions for things like autoimmune issues.
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Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 8:42 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:The State can violate one’s bodily autonomy so as to prevent the bodily autonomy of others from being negatively violated.

Are you sure?

Depends. Are we talking legality or practicality?
Narcissistic (Hedonistic) Nihilist. Yes, I am edgy. I know.
Atheist and still proud of it.
Post-Capitalist, Post-Nationalist.
Rights are functionally just privileges society has deemed important.
Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

0% Capitalism

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