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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 6:01 pm

Gormwood wrote:The closest thing in real life to a Nurgle Cult.

Andrew Wakefield, others hold anti-vaccine rally amid raging measles outbreaks


Arrest them. They might actually bring with them disease vectors, inanimate and otherwise. These malevolently stupid fuckwits.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 6:30 pm

Duhon wrote:
Gormwood wrote:The closest thing in real life to a Nurgle Cult.

Andrew Wakefield, others hold anti-vaccine rally amid raging measles outbreaks


Arrest them. They might actually bring with them disease vectors, inanimate and otherwise. These malevolently stupid fuckwits.


Amazing how the left continue to inadvertently show their true colors when it comes to things like healthcare, vaccines, and guns.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 7:23 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Arrest them. They might actually bring with them disease vectors, inanimate and otherwise. These malevolently stupid fuckwits.


Amazing how the left continue to inadvertently show their true colors when it comes to things like healthcare, vaccines, and guns.

The left is not a monolithic block. Some are libertarian. Some are not. However, the right to be an idiot does not give you the right to endanger others.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 7:26 pm

Kowani wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Amazing how the left continue to inadvertently show their true colors when it comes to things like healthcare, vaccines, and guns.

The left is not a monolithic block. Some are libertarian. Some are not. However, the right to be an idiot does not give you the right to endanger others.


Except nobody's endangering others by merely not getting vaccinated. You don't get to enforce your authoritarian beliefs on others. Also, this is an oxymoron.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 7:28 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote:The left is not a monolithic block. Some are libertarian. Some are not. However, the right to be an idiot does not give you the right to endanger others.


Except nobody's endangering others by merely not getting vaccinated. Also, this is an oxymoron.

Except children, babies, elderly people, people with autoimmune diseases, anyone who was too poor to get vaccinated…

Ah, yes, the libertarian left doesn’t exist anymore-Oh wait!
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Postby Deutschess Kaiserreich » Tue May 14, 2019 7:29 pm

I have a theory that anti-vaxxers are really Nurgle's children in disguise. Damn chaos is getting smart.
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Postby Andsed » Tue May 14, 2019 7:30 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote:The left is not a monolithic block. Some are libertarian. Some are not. However, the right to be an idiot does not give you the right to endanger others.


Except nobody's endangering others by merely not getting vaccinated. You don't get to enforce your authoritarian beliefs on others. Also, this is an oxymoron.

Did you just say those who are not vaccinated do not endangers others? Because if so that is the dumbest thing I heard all day.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 7:33 pm

Kowani wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Except nobody's endangering others by merely not getting vaccinated. Also, this is an oxymoron.

Except children, babies, elderly people, people with autoimmune diseases, anyone who was too poor to get vaccinated…

Ah, yes, the libertarian left doesn’t exist anymore-Oh wait!


Getting measles and knowingly spreading it is one thing, imprisoning people for just not being vaccinated or dissent is another.

They never existed. It's a big misnomer, just like Anarcho-Communism.
Last edited by Chernoslavia on Tue May 14, 2019 7:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 7:34 pm

Andsed wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Except nobody's endangering others by merely not getting vaccinated. You don't get to enforce your authoritarian beliefs on others. Also, this is an oxymoron.

Did you just say those who are not vaccinated do not endangers others? Because if so that is the dumbest thing I heard all day.


Well you're wrong.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Andsed » Tue May 14, 2019 7:36 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Andsed wrote:Did you just say those who are not vaccinated do not endangers others? Because if so that is the dumbest thing I heard all day.


Well you're wrong.

Right because anti vaxxers totally don’t allow for diseases to spread and infect others such as those who cannot get vaccinated. It is not like it is a basic scientific fact with tons of evidence behind it. :roll:
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 7:41 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Except children, babies, elderly people, people with autoimmune diseases, anyone who was too poor to get vaccinated…

Ah, yes, the libertarian left doesn’t exist anymore-Oh wait!


Getting measles and knowingly spreading it is one thing, imprisoning people for just not being vaccinated or dissent is another.
A distinction without difference. Knowingly killing someone is no better than accidentally killing them. If you constitute a risk to the well-being of others, than you are to be made not one. Otherwise, we should open the doors of all the asylums and let them run wild.
Chernoslavia wrote:They never existed. It's a big misnomer, just like Anarcho-Communism.

:rofl: That’s not how it works.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 7:42 pm

Andsed wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Well you're wrong.

Right because anti vaxxers totally don’t allow for diseases to spread and infect others such as those who cannot get vaccinated. It is not like it is a basic scientific fact with tons of evidence behind it. :roll:


I got news for you then - Millions of Americans aren't vaccinated. Go cry about how me not being vaxxed somehow endangers you, but the fact of the matter is that you cannot force people to receive them especially if they aren't infected with anything.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 7:44 pm

Kowani wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Getting measles and knowingly spreading it is one thing, imprisoning people for just not being vaccinated or dissent is another.
A distinction without difference. Knowingly killing someone is no better than accidentally killing them. If you constitute a risk to the well-being of others, than you are to be made not one. Otherwise, we should open the doors of all the asylums and let them run wild.
Chernoslavia wrote:They never existed. It's a big misnomer, just like Anarcho-Communism.

:rofl: That’s not how it works.


That would be a valid argument if the person in question is infected with measles and is spreading it around.

Wrong again.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 7:52 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote: A distinction without difference. Knowingly killing someone is no better than accidentally killing them. If you constitute a risk to the well-being of others, than you are to be made not one. Otherwise, we should open the doors of all the asylums and let them run wild.

:rofl: That’s not how it works.


That would be a valid argument if the person in question is infected with measles and is spreading it around.
No, actually. The prevention is better than the cure-especially when we know what will happen if there is no prevention.
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So, do you plan on explaining how, or…?
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Postby Andsed » Tue May 14, 2019 7:55 pm

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Andsed wrote:Right because anti vaxxers totally don’t allow for diseases to spread and infect others such as those who cannot get vaccinated. It is not like it is a basic scientific fact with tons of evidence behind it. :roll:


I got news for you then - Millions of Americans aren't vaccinated. Go cry about how me not being vaxxed somehow endangers you, but the fact of the matter is that you cannot force people to receive them especially if they aren't infected with anything.

Yes sadly many Americans have chosen to ignore the facts about vaccines and are not vaccinated. And that is why we are seeing some of the largest measles outbreaks in a long time:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/13/health/measles-update-cdc-800-cases/index.html

And yes you not being vaccinated does put others in dangers by making it harder for herd immunity to work:

https://www.ovg.ox.ac.uk/news/herd-immunity-how-does-it-work

And you realize vaccines prevent you from getting the disease not treat it? Cause I don't know what that whole infected comment was about.

The fact of the matter is anti vaxxers through disregarding the fact that vaccines are safe and have saved countless people from diseases have allowed for stuff like the measles to come back. Anti vaxxers do endanger others period.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue May 14, 2019 7:56 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Andsed wrote:Right because anti vaxxers totally don’t allow for diseases to spread and infect others such as those who cannot get vaccinated. It is not like it is a basic scientific fact with tons of evidence behind it. :roll:


I got news for you then - Millions of Americans aren't vaccinated. Go cry about how me not being vaxxed somehow endangers you, but the fact of the matter is that you cannot force people to receive them especially if they aren't infected with anything.

Why are you so pro-disease?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 7:57 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
I got news for you then - Millions of Americans aren't vaccinated. Go cry about how me not being vaxxed somehow endangers you, but the fact of the matter is that you cannot force people to receive them especially if they aren't infected with anything.

Why are you so pro-disease?


Nice strawman. Why are you pro-authority?
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:05 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Why are you so pro-disease?


Nice strawman. Why are you pro-authority?


1% of the global population killed by Spanish flu in the early 20th century. Made the Great War seem quaint in comparison. Imagine the death toll if a similar or worse pandemic happened today. Vaccinations should be mandatory, doctors orders.
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Postby Brightlake » Tue May 14, 2019 8:06 pm

I think the problem not only for vaccine but anything else. Right now many people without specific expertise talk too much about things that they even didn't understand using their biases or personal believe that not supported by empirical evidence.

Beside vaccine, school must shape the way of thinking obviously on critical thinking toward which is the information is true, valid in context, and which information is not true, incomplete, leading to misunderstanding especially in digital era that so much information come to us.

With better understanding people not easily believe on nonsense like this.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue May 14, 2019 8:08 pm

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Why are you so pro-disease?


Nice strawman. Why are you pro-authority?

Because I’m not for allowing or enabling of the spread of harmful diseases.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue May 14, 2019 8:09 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Why are you so pro-disease?


Nice strawman. Why are you pro-authority?

Because medical authorities know what they're talking about. Unlike wacko, homeopathic, anti-vax horseshit peddlers.
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Postby Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 8:11 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Nice strawman. Why are you pro-authority?

Because medical authorities know what they're talking about. Unlike wacko, homeopathic, anti-vax horseshit peddlers.

Once people are adults though, there’s that whole bodily autonomy problem one might say.
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 8:13 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Arrest them. They might actually bring with them disease vectors, inanimate and otherwise. These malevolently stupid fuckwits.


Amazing how the left continue to inadvertently show their true colors when it comes to things like healthcare, vaccines, and guns.


I'm sorry, but I want to live and want others to live or at least live a life debilitated by wholly preventable diseases. If that makes me the spawn of Satan, then fuck me -- I'm actually inoculated. Just not the actually vulnerable.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 14, 2019 8:14 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Andsed wrote:Right because anti vaxxers totally don’t allow for diseases to spread and infect others such as those who cannot get vaccinated. It is not like it is a basic scientific fact with tons of evidence behind it. :roll:


I got news for you then - Millions of Americans aren't vaccinated. Go cry about how me not being vaxxed somehow endangers you, but the fact of the matter is that you cannot force people to receive them especially if they aren't infected with anything.


Psssst. You know infants can't get vaccinated right?

What's your solution? They have to stay home so you can have your FREEDUM!!!!!
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 8:15 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Why are you so pro-disease?


Nice strawman. Why are you pro-authority?


Because in this case the medical authorities have it right. Capisce?
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