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Support rehabilitation
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Support war on black people
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End war on black people
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11%
Oppose worker’s management
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5%
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Postby Tankmen » Fri May 03, 2019 2:43 am

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You shouldn't be punished just for being white. However, you absolutely should be punished for being a literal self-proclaimed Fascist. We should follow modern-day Germany's example and outlaw support for Fascism.


That is a horrid slippery slope you wouldn't actually want to go down.

Have you perhaps considered not being a fascist if this would make you uncomfortable?

That said, Germany hasn't outlawed support for fascism and it's not going to.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri May 03, 2019 2:49 am

Tankmen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That is a horrid slippery slope you wouldn't actually want to go down.

Have you perhaps considered not being a fascist if this would make you uncomfortable?

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Postby Tankmen » Fri May 03, 2019 3:48 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Tankmen wrote:Have you perhaps considered not being a fascist if this would make you uncomfortable?

"I will decide who is a Jew fascist!"

It's really not that difficult. If you're not fascist, that is. Normal people don't support a totalitarian, highly oppressive and exploitative fringe pretty much as right-wing as you can get ideology from a set of political schools of thought trying to rebrand themselves as a third way between the left and centrist liberals by sitting as far to the right as you can to look """""alternative""""".
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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri May 03, 2019 3:52 am

Tankmen wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:"I will decide who is a Jew fascist!"

It's really not that difficult. If you're not fascist, that is. Normal people don't support a totalitarian, highly oppressive and exploitative fringe pretty much as right-wing as you can get ideology from a set of political schools of thought trying to rebrand themselves as a third way between the left and centrist liberals by sitting as far to the right as you can to look """""alternative""""".

All of that is defined individually by every "anti-fascist".
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Postby Tankmen » Fri May 03, 2019 4:30 am

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Tankmen wrote:It's really not that difficult. If you're not fascist, that is. Normal people don't support a totalitarian, highly oppressive and exploitative fringe pretty much as right-wing as you can get ideology from a set of political schools of thought trying to rebrand themselves as a third way between the left and centrist liberals by sitting as far to the right as you can to look """""alternative""""".

All of that is defined individually by every "anti-fascist".

Ok, postmodernist. Things are still for the most part clearly defined despite few cases being more ambiguous than others. Start from here and then research about specific movements and periods in different national histories labeled fascist or akin to fascism.
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Postby Shanhwa » Fri May 03, 2019 5:27 am

Tankmen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That is a horrid slippery slope you wouldn't actually want to go down.

Have you perhaps considered not being a fascist if this would make you uncomfortable?

That said, Germany hasn't outlawed support for fascism and it's not going to.


>calling WRA of all people a fascist

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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri May 03, 2019 6:27 am

Tankmen wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:All of that is defined individually by every "anti-fascist".

Ok, postmodernist. Things are still for the most part clearly defined despite few cases being more ambiguous than others. Start from here and then research about specific movements and periods in different national histories labeled fascist or akin to fascism.

And yet people call Trump fascist. The world does not work in logical ways.
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Postby Tankmen » Fri May 03, 2019 6:35 am

Shanhwa wrote:
Tankmen wrote:Have you perhaps considered not being a fascist if this would make you uncomfortable?

That said, Germany hasn't outlawed support for fascism and it's not going to.


>calling WRA of all people a fascist

:rofl:

>does not promote fascist beliefs
>feels uncomfortable when anti-fascists punch fascists
Absolute pacifism due to taking libertarianism to its extreme conclusions?

Petrolheadia wrote:
Tankmen wrote:Ok, postmodernist. Things are still for the most part clearly defined despite few cases being more ambiguous than others. Start from here and then research about specific movements and periods in different national histories labeled fascist or akin to fascism.

And yet people call Trump fascist. The world does not work in logical ways.

People tend to dumb down and simplify to the point that the meaning is lost.
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Postby Liriena » Fri May 03, 2019 6:47 am

I'm really starting to dig these "and inevitable communism" threads :P

But yeah, the war on drugs was born as a war against black people (and leftists) and it's absolutely caused a lot of social devastation.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri May 03, 2019 6:58 am

Liriena wrote:I'm really starting to dig these "and inevitable communism" threads :P

But yeah, the war on drugs was born as a war against black people (and leftists) and it's absolutely caused a lot of social devastation.


When prisons are full of people who smoked a blunt or stole a chocolate bar, I think it is grand time we reevaluate our methods.

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Postby Liriena » Fri May 03, 2019 7:00 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Liriena wrote:I'm really starting to dig these "and inevitable communism" threads :P

But yeah, the war on drugs was born as a war against black people (and leftists) and it's absolutely caused a lot of social devastation.


When prisons are full of people who smoked a blunt or stole a chocolate bar, I think it is grand time we reevaluate our methods.

But the private prisons need more inmates to turn a profit. We can't just stop imprisoning people for victimless crimes!
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri May 03, 2019 7:01 am

Shanhwa wrote:
Tankmen wrote:Have you perhaps considered not being a fascist if this would make you uncomfortable?

That said, Germany hasn't outlawed support for fascism and it's not going to.


>calling WRA of all people a fascist

:rofl:

Well, in the eyes of a tankie, everyone who doesn't agree with hard-line communism is a fascist.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri May 03, 2019 7:03 am

Liriena wrote:
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When prisons are full of people who smoked a blunt or stole a chocolate bar, I think it is grand time we reevaluate our methods.

But the private prisons need more inmates to turn a profit. We can't just stop imprisoning people for victimless crimes!


Listen, I’m not some yuuuge radical revolutionary or anything...

But private prisons can go to hell.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri May 03, 2019 7:05 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Liriena wrote:But the private prisons need more inmates to turn a profit. We can't just stop imprisoning people for victimless crimes!


Listen, I’m not some yuuuge radical revolutionary or anything...

But private prisons can go to hell.

I also agree with getting rid of them. They cause a lot more harm than good.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri May 03, 2019 7:25 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
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Listen, I’m not some yuuuge radical revolutionary or anything...

But private prisons can go to hell.

I also agree with getting rid of them. They cause a lot more harm than good.


>when the right-lib minarchist agrees

Holy shit a common cause!

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Postby Liriena » Fri May 03, 2019 8:22 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I also agree with getting rid of them. They cause a lot more harm than good.


>when the right-lib minarchist agrees

Holy shit a common cause!

To be fair, I'm pretty sure opposition to the drug war, and specially to the criminalization of marihuana, is one issue in which pretty much everyone who isn't profiting off the mass incarceration, or a conservative boomer whose political education began and ended with Reefer Madness, agrees on.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri May 03, 2019 8:46 am

Liriena wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
>when the right-lib minarchist agrees

Holy shit a common cause!

To be fair, I'm pretty sure opposition to the drug war, and specially to the criminalization of marihuana, is one issue in which pretty much everyone who isn't profiting off the mass incarceration, or a conservative boomer whose political education began and ended with Reefer Madness, agrees on.

No, many conservative boomers probably want legalization too. I have meet a few who smoke it.
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Liriena wrote:To be fair, I'm pretty sure opposition to the drug war, and specially to the criminalization of marihuana, is one issue in which pretty much everyone who isn't profiting off the mass incarceration, or a conservative boomer whose political education began and ended with Reefer Madness, agrees on.

No, many conservative boomers probably want legalization too. I have meet a few who smoke it.

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Postby Cossack Khanate » Sat May 04, 2019 7:08 pm

I haven’t read anything but the OP….so….I’m confused.

The “war on black people” and the War on Drugs don’t ...lead...to communism. That’s not how it works. Personally, I support the War on Drugs. My rationale is that I support being harsher on criminals in general, and I believe it is the government’s responsibility to ensure the peoples’ health (to an extent). To be clear, Ifully support Duterte’s actions in the Philippines. The drug supplies and users are corrupting the youth and society.

But don’t argue with me, I am somewhat “ban happy”. I support banning alcohol, drugs, tobacco, pornography, contraception, terrorist advertising. I furthermore support limited internet policing (but let’s strike down Article 13) etc.

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Postby Hladgos » Sat May 04, 2019 8:39 pm

Cossack Khanate wrote:I haven’t read anything but the OP….so….I’m confused.

The “war on black people” and the War on Drugs don’t ...lead...to communism. That’s not how it works. Personally, I support the War on Drugs. My rationale is that I support being harsher on criminals in general, and I believe it is the government’s responsibility to ensure the peoples’ health (to an extent). To be clear, Ifully support Duterte’s actions in the Philippines. The drug supplies and users are corrupting the youth and society.

But don’t argue with me, I am somewhat “ban happy”. I support banning alcohol, drugs, tobacco, pornography, contraception, terrorist advertising. I furthermore support limited internet policing (but let’s strike down Article 13) etc.

And DPRK is O.K as long as they aren’t DPRK. Only good communist is a starving one, wink wink.
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Postby Xmara » Sat May 04, 2019 8:40 pm

Cossack Khanate wrote:I haven’t read anything but the OP….so….I’m confused.

Trust me it wouldn’t make any more sense even if you read all 6 pages worth of posts, because I did and I still have no clue what drugs, black people, and communism have to do with each other.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat May 04, 2019 9:51 pm

''inevitable communism'' :lol2:
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun May 05, 2019 1:08 am

Cossack Khanate wrote:IBut don’t argue with me, I am somewhat “ban happy”. I support banning alcohol, drugs, tobacco, pornography, contraception, terrorist advertising. I furthermore support limited internet policing (but let’s strike down Article 13) etc.

Ban bans, you seem to be addicted to them.
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Postby Tankmen » Sun May 05, 2019 4:06 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Shanhwa wrote:
>calling WRA of all people a fascist

:rofl:

Well, in the eyes of a tankie, everyone who doesn't agree with hard-line communism is a fascist.

Unless they're a libertarian still in which case a tankie would say "my bad, still just a liberal". I miss principled libertarians tbh who would hold onto freedom no matter what without some degenerate alt-right doctrines corrupting it.

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Cossack Khanate wrote:IBut don’t argue with me, I am somewhat “ban happy”. I support banning alcohol, drugs, tobacco, pornography, contraception, terrorist advertising. I furthermore support limited internet policing (but let’s strike down Article 13) etc.

Ban bans, you seem to be addicted to them.

How many bans did you inject today, Cossack Khanate?
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