Extinction Rebellion blocks London stock exchange

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I mean, you have to have some rules.
There's enough people protesting about enough things that if we just let them go at it willy nilly then literally nothing would ever get done.
All the bridges in London might as well not be there for all the good they'd be.

Sounds like an indication our system is not representative enough and that would be exactly the outcome that should happen. Things stop working until the system changes to make the protests unnecessary.

^^^this
Direct democracy is the only real way of doing this, enough signatures triggers a referendum.

[Ostroeuropa]

Sounds like an indication our system is not representative enough and that would be exactly the outcome that should happen. Things stop working until the system changes to make the protests unnecessary.

^^^this
Direct democracy is the only real way of doing this, enough signatures triggers a referendum.

I'd be content with a demarchic second house re-constituted after every 3 bills or so while we transition to viable direct democracy through the expansion of that system over time.

[Alvecia]

There'll always be protests. People love a good moan.

Give them a forum for their grievances to be heard with a good chance they'll change things, and that don't involve shutting down the economy or disrupting it.

Sounds nice, but with how diverse opinions are, either things will be in constant flux, or very few things will actually get changed.
I don't disagree with the concept, I just think it's a bit open ended.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

^^^this
Direct democracy is the only real way of doing this, enough signatures triggers a referendum.

I'd be content with a demarchic second house re-constituted after every 3 bills or so while we transition to viable direct democracy through the expansion of that system over time.

Sounds like a good transition system, yeah.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Give them a forum for their grievances to be heard with a good chance they'll change things, and that don't involve shutting down the economy or disrupting it.

Sounds nice, but with how diverse opinions are, either things will be in constant flux, or very few things will actually get changed.
I don't disagree with the concept, I just think it's a bit open ended.

I like constant change.

[Ostroeuropa]

Give them a forum for their grievances to be heard with a good chance they'll change things, and that don't involve shutting down the economy or disrupting it.

Sounds nice, but with how diverse opinions are, either things will be in constant flux, or very few things will actually get changed.
I don't disagree with the concept, I just think it's a bit open ended.

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Sounds nice, but with how diverse opinions are, either things will be in constant flux, or very few things will actually get changed.
I don't disagree with the concept, I just think it's a bit open ended.

I like constant change.

Society should be in flux.

[Alvecia]

Sounds nice, but with how diverse opinions are, either things will be in constant flux, or very few things will actually get changed.
I don't disagree with the concept, I just think it's a bit open ended.

I like constant change.

Change is good, measured change is better.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I like constant change.

Change is good, measured change is better.

Fast-paced, unpredictable change.

[Alvecia]

Sounds nice, but with how diverse opinions are, either things will be in constant flux, or very few things will actually get changed.
I don't disagree with the concept, I just think it's a bit open ended.

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I like constant change.

Society should be in flux.

I think you're underestimating how much.
We gonna have a Free Northumbria cause that one guy gathered a couple of mates and complained to the government, followed by an immediate annexation as everyone else suddenly points out how stupid an idea that is?
What about 0% tax one day, followed by 100% the next.
We'd be a socialist, fascist, union of states, unified empire of white supremacist, shariah Britain all in the same week.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

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Society should be in flux.

I think you're underestimating how much.
We gonna have a Free Northumbria cause that one guy gathered a couple of mates and complained to the government, followed by an immediate annexation as everyone else suddenly points out how stupid an idea that is?
What about 0% tax one day, followed by 100% the next.
We'd be a socialist, fascist, union of states, unified empire of white supremacist, shariah Britain all in the same week.

That's why my system calls for regular referenda.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Sounds nice, but with how diverse opinions are, either things will be in constant flux, or very few things will actually get changed.
I don't disagree with the concept, I just think it's a bit open ended.

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I like constant change.

Society should be in flux.

An unchanging society is how morals start, and they're baaaaad.

[Ostroeuropa]

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Society should be in flux.

I think you're underestimating how much.
We gonna have a Free Northumbria cause that one guy gathered a couple of mates and complained to the government, followed by an immediate annexation as everyone else suddenly points out how stupid an idea that is?
What about 0% tax one day, followed by 100% the next.
We'd be a socialist, fascist, union of states, unified empire of white supremacist, shariah Britain all in the same week.

You're assuming the majority would radically alter their opinion regulalry, that seems unlikely

[Ostroeuropa]

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Society should be in flux.

An unchanging society is how morals start, and they're baaaaad.

I take it you're a Sargonite in terms of his localism and so on?

[Alvecia]

I think you're underestimating how much.
We gonna have a Free Northumbria cause that one guy gathered a couple of mates and complained to the government, followed by an immediate annexation as everyone else suddenly points out how stupid an idea that is?
What about 0% tax one day, followed by 100% the next.
We'd be a socialist, fascist, union of states, unified empire of white supremacist, shariah Britain all in the same week.

That's why my system calls for regular referenda.

Having regular referenda by itself won't cause change.
Either nothing will change because the majority keep the status quo, or you'd get deadlocked because every time the 5% swung the majority you'd have to stop making the change, then starting it again, then stopping it again, then starting it again.

[Ostroeuropa]

That's why my system calls for regular referenda.

Having regular referenda by itself won't cause change.
Either nothing will change because the majority keep the status quo, or you'd get deadlocked because every time the 5% swung the majority you'd have to stop making the change, then starting it again, then stopping it again, then starting it again.

protests tend to get massive when the government is ignoring the will of the public, like extinction rebellion. The majority are in favor of their demands.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

An unchanging society is how morals start, and they're baaaaad.

I take it you're a Sargonite in terms of his localism and so on?

I'm not familiar with him. I just think that without constant change, and a regular re-think of our priorities, a political class and established hierarchy finds it considerably easier to take root, and in doing so position themselves as gatekeepers to knowledge, power and the future development of society. A stagnant society is a dead one.

[Alvecia]

I think you're underestimating how much.
We gonna have a Free Northumbria cause that one guy gathered a couple of mates and complained to the government, followed by an immediate annexation as everyone else suddenly points out how stupid an idea that is?
What about 0% tax one day, followed by 100% the next.
We'd be a socialist, fascist, union of states, unified empire of white supremacist, shariah Britain all in the same week.

You're assuming the majority would radically alter their opinion regulalry, that seems unlikely

Protests aren't just held by the majority.
If you give people a place to air their grievances and they still get rejected because the majority says no then we're back to shutting down Westminster bridge again.

[Alvecia]

Having regular referenda by itself won't cause change.
Either nothing will change because the majority keep the status quo, or you'd get deadlocked because every time the 5% swung the majority you'd have to stop making the change, then starting it again, then stopping it again, then starting it again.

protests tend to get massive when the government is ignoring the will of the public, like extinction rebellion. The majority are in favor of their demands.

Protests don't need to be massive to shut down a bridge.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Having regular referenda by itself won't cause change.
Either nothing will change because the majority keep the status quo, or you'd get deadlocked because every time the 5% swung the majority you'd have to stop making the change, then starting it again, then stopping it again, then starting it again.

protests tend to get massive when the government is ignoring the will of the public, like extinction rebellion. The majority are in favor of their demands.

I'm not even in favour of their demands, I'm just in favour of their right to make them in the way they're doing it.

[Astoriya]

Having regular referenda by itself won't cause change.
Either nothing will change because the majority keep the status quo, or you'd get deadlocked because every time the 5% swung the majority you'd have to stop making the change, then starting it again, then stopping it again, then starting it again.

protests tend to get massive when the government is ignoring the will of the public, like extinction rebellion. The majority are in favour of their demands.

>see Brexit second referendum

Though sadly most of the time said protests are in vain...

[Bears Armed]

I mean, you have to have some rules.
There's enough people protesting about enough things that if we just let them go at it willy nilly then literally nothing would ever get done.
All the bridges in London might as well not be there for all the good they'd be.

Really? How many people do you think are likely to protest at any one time for any issue?

The rule was introduced so that the authorities could keep any two groups people protesting for opposing issues apart from each other.

[Genivaria]

Really? How many people do you think are likely to protest at any one time for any issue?

The rule was introduced so that the authorities could keep any two groups people protesting for opposing issues apart from each other.

Makes me think of the Battle of Cable Street.

[Alvecia]

Really? How many people do you think are likely to protest at any one time for any issue?

The rule was introduced so that the authorities could keep any two groups people protesting for opposing issues apart from each other.

"Riots outside Westminster late yesterday as pro-Marmite and anti-Marmite protestors clashed. Metropolitan spokesman quoted as saying "This is a sticky situation"."

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Really? How many people do you think are likely to protest at any one time for any issue?

The rule was introduced so that the authorities could keep any two groups people protesting for opposing issues apart from each other.

awwww but that's sad.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The rule was introduced so that the authorities could keep any two groups people protesting for opposing issues apart from each other.

"Riots outside Westminster late yesterday as pro-Marmite and anti-Marmite protestors clashed. Metropolitan spokesman quoted as saying "This is a sticky situation"."

You either love or hate marmite violence: I love the idea, everybody else hates it.