The Russian population is shrinking, how can you solve it?

[Ethel mermania]

So it's a good thing.

hurr durr russia bad is not an argument.

Sure it is. Whether a good one or not is subject to debate.


You want to raise the birthrate, stop educating the women.

[Great Eddy]

hurr durr russia bad is not an argument.

Russia Is bad. Russians are bad. Still buthurt they lost the cold War. I see no reason to stop the ennemies of the West to Just keep declining.

Also, it wasn't an argument to anything. It was an observation.

Saying that is like saying. "Germany is bad, Germans are Bad, Still butthurt they lost World War 2, they want to reform Nazi Germany and start another Holocaust." No, it isn't true at all.

[Novus America]

The government itself doesn't care, so why should we? Don't worry, they will keep invading Ukraine to even things out.

Why would we need to solve a good thing?

We should accelerate it by helping Russians leave that country for better lands, at least until the regime changes. Let the government rule over ruins. I believe Russian women in particular already try to flee the country to some extent by marrying Asian and European guys abroad.

This. So long as they are hostile we can employ brain drain/demographic warfare against them.

Give them Green Cards, well those who are not criminals or things like that of course.

[New Sukberia]

Russia Is bad. Russians are bad. Still buthurt they lost the cold War. I see no reason to stop the ennemies of the West to Just keep declining.

Also, it wasn't an argument to anything. It was an observation.

Saying that is like saying. "Germany is bad, Germans are Bad, Still butthurt they lost World War 2, they want to reform Nazi Germany and start another Holocaust." No, it isn't true at all.

Germans haven't been voting for someone That praises Hitler.

Germans haven't annexed any territory since WW2

Germans haven't interfered in elections of democratic and sovereign nations.

Germans haven't called the fall of the 3rd Reich, "the greatest disaster of the 20th century."

71% of Young germans don't have a positive image of Hitler, nor do 51% of them think That Hitler's crimes arn't important.

You want me to keep going?

I forgot to add That Germany isn't the country with the greatest concentration of neo-nazis.

[Novus America]

The government itself doesn't care, so why should we? Don't worry, they will keep invading Ukraine to even things out.



We should accelerate it by helping Russians leave that country for better lands, at least until the regime changes. Let the government rule over ruins. I believe Russian women in particular already try to flee the country to some extent by marrying Asian and European guys abroad.

That entirely defeats the purpose of solving the demographic crisis and for the record the Russian government is tackling this issue (they are not idiots, else how did they manage to maintain a country this big?) And of course they don't want to govern a wasteland with no one but bears, other animals and cathedrals.

The government is trying to address the issue to some degree.
It offers large benefits to those having children.
https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/ ... ic-decline
But it is only having limited success.
It did actually increase the birth rate, it is higher now than it was in the 90s.
But not enough to get it above replacement.

Also the Russian government refuses to reform the anemic Russian economy, even though child benefits are available, stagnant and falling real incomes offset this.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/ ... ing-a65345

[-Ocelot-]

The government itself doesn't care, so why should we? Don't worry, they will keep invading Ukraine to even things out.



We should accelerate it by helping Russians leave that country for better lands, at least until the regime changes. Let the government rule over ruins. I believe Russian women in particular already try to flee the country to some extent by marrying Asian and European guys abroad.

This. So long as they are hostile we can employ brain drain/demographic warfare against them.

Give them Green Cards, well those who are not criminals or things like that of course.

It's the right thing to do. Russians are not bad people, their government is. Helping them get away from this mess is beneficial to both them and the countries that accept them. And let the nationalists revel with living in a failing quasi-military petro state.

That entirely defeats the purpose of solving the demographic crisis and for the record the Russian government is tackling this issue (they are not idiots, else how did they manage to maintain a country this big?) And of course they don't want to govern a wasteland with no one but bears, other animals and cathedrals.

The government is trying to address the issue to some degree.
It offers large benefits to those having children.
https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/ ... ic-decline
But it is only having limited success.
It did actually increase the birth rate, it is higher now than it was in the 90s.
But not enough to get it above replacement.

Also the Russian government refuses to reform the anemic Russian economy, even though child benefits are available, stagnant and falling real incomes offset this.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/ ... ing-a65345

Reforming the economy = Oligarchs lose power and have to be more "open" to the west. Can't have that.

[Novus America]

This. So long as they are hostile we can employ brain drain/demographic warfare against them.

Give them Green Cards, well those who are not criminals or things like that of course.

It's the right thing to do. Russians are not bad people, their government is. Helping them get away from this mess is beneficial to both them and the countries that accept them. And let the nationalists revel with living in a failing quasi-military petro state.

The government is trying to address the issue to some degree.
It offers large benefits to those having children.
https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/ ... ic-decline
But it is only having limited success.
It did actually increase the birth rate, it is higher now than it was in the 90s.
But not enough to get it above replacement.

Also the Russian government refuses to reform the anemic Russian economy, even though child benefits are available, stagnant and falling real incomes offset this.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/ ... ing-a65345

Reforming the economy = Oligarchs lose power and have to be more "open" to the west. Can't have that.

We have a shortage of merchants mariners and skilled factory workers anyways.
Plus Russia has some good IT people and people with good knowledge of rocketry.

We would benefit greatly from a national security perspective by bringing many of them here.

Exactly. Russia cannot fix its structural economic issues because it would undermine the regime.

They can do a short boost via infrastructure spending but that is not sustainable and most of the money will be stolen anyways.

So Russia will not reform and improve, it will remain stuck where it is.

[Conserative Morality]

Russia Is bad. Russians are bad. Still buthurt they lost the cold War. I see no reason to stop the ennemies of the West to Just keep declining.

Also, it wasn't an argument to anything. It was an observation.

Saying that is like saying. "Germany is bad, Germans are Bad, Still butthurt they lost World War 2, they want to reform Nazi Germany and start another Holocaust." No, it isn't true at all.

I mean, for several decades after WW2, that very much was true.

[Ostroeuropa]

Pay the population proper wages and give them a stake in the countries future.

Push fully paid parental leave for both sexes, and invest in social infrastructure (like roads, but social, the goal of social infrastructure is to enable people to get to work) with fully paid childcare services for parents in work, free marriage counselling under the health service, eliminate alimony, and so on.

Include education on the societal consequences of low birth-rate including glorification of parenthood roles. If we can convince populations to go to war en masse through state propoganda, we can convince them to fuck and have kids.

Student fees for university education become waived if you have a child. Parents get affirmative action to enter university.

First year a child is born, a zero yearly tax voucher can be issued to be cashed at your leisure, for up to two children.

Mandatory minimum state pension for people who do not have children, private pension seized, waived for those with medical reasons for infertility provided they attempt to adopt and were found unfit.

There's lots that could be done, some combination of policies can reverse the trend, they need not all be applied.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

I feel like giving people rights would attract more immigrants but that’s my opinion.

[Ifreann]

Issue sexy Putin calenders to every household, to get people in the mood for love.

[Hammer Britannia]

This is a problem?

[Altion]

Issue sexy Putin calenders to every household, to get people in the mood for love.

We shall PUTIN these calendars in every home!

[MKittenland]

I think personally Russia should just be more open to immigrants and take them in. They would, of course, still have to be careful. Though if Russia's crisis escalates too much, they may have to make it so you have to have children if you want to receive certain benefits.

[The Srovsk State]

hurr durr russia bad is not an argument.

Russia Is bad. Russians are bad. Still buthurt they lost the cold War. I see no reason to stop the ennemies of the West to Just keep declining.

Also, it wasn't an argument to anything. It was an observation.

Generalizing entire races, religions or ethnicity is bad thing to do as it would lead to conflict. If anything, we should strive for peace instead of sparking more hatred and xenophobia. Regulars American citizens and Russian citizens just want to have peace. Sure the Russian government has done spreading hate and discrimination against others before but other majors powers have done that as well including the United States, Germany, The United Kingdom and more other examples.

[Christ Triumphant]

Here's an article I found from the RAND Corp on the matter, if anyone cares for some thoughtful and studied facts on the matter:

https://www.rand.org/pubs/issue_papers/ ... ndex2.html

Some interesting takeaways:

Russia has the highest abortion rate in the world. Abortion is the primary form of birth control in Russia. Other forms of contraception are mostly unavailable. While abortion is readily available in Russia, it is not well-regulated or hygienic, and can result in sterility due to complications. Women in Russia try to have all of the children they plan on having by ~22, so that they can proceed to use unsafe abortions for the rest of their life as their method of contraception.

In the 1980s, Russia experienced a spike in birth rates, due to a concerted national effort to provide incentives like paid maternity leave and benefits in housing and social services. Such things can be implemented again.

While the OP mostly blames WWII for this decline, other hugely-important factors include WWI, the various famines in the 20s and 30s, the Russian Civil War, and widespread economic devastation.

Russia's birth rates are merely catching up with the rest of the industrialized world's

"Perhaps the only genuine crisis aspect of current Russian demographic trends appears in increased rates of mortality, which have been especially dramatic among working-age men." The article goes on to discuss alcoholism and related conditions, but this is only part of the issue. Russia's rates of homicide and suicide are among the highest in the world. Deaths from illness and chronic and degenerative diseases, such as cancer, respiratory failure, and circulatory and cardiovascular diseases, have increased sharply.

There is also a long section discussing Russia's failing health care system, which has been mostly ignored since throughout the Soviet era

[Baltenstein]

Saying that is like saying. "Germany is bad, Germans are Bad, Still butthurt they lost World War 2, they want to reform Nazi Germany and start another Holocaust." No, it isn't true at all.

I mean, for several decades after WW2, that very much was true.

Erm, ok? That's rather a weird reading of post-war German history.

EDIT:

As for the topic, first world countries with "healthy" birthrates like France or Sweden seem to indicate that the most reliable natalist policy is having an effective public day-nursery system that allows mothers to quickly pick-up work again after maternity leave.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

A N N E X P O L A N D

Jokes aside, maybe provide an incentive to have more kids. A sizable tax break for families with 3+ children worked just fine for Augustus, I don't see why it shouldn't work for Putin.

[The Srovsk State]

A N N E X P O L A N D

Jokes aside, maybe provide an incentive to have more kids. A sizable tax break for families with 3+ children worked just fine for Augustus, I don't see why it shouldn't work for Putin.

Here's an article I found from the RAND Corp on the matter, if anyone cares for some thoughtful and studied facts on the matter:

https://www.rand.org/pubs/issue_papers/ ... ndex2.html

Some interesting takeaways:

Russia has the highest abortion rate in the world. Abortion is the primary form of birth control in Russia. Other forms of contraception are mostly unavailable. While abortion is readily available in Russia, it is not well-regulated or hygienic, and can result in sterility due to complications. Women in Russia try to have all of the children they plan on having by ~22, so that they can proceed to use unsafe abortions for the rest of their life as their method of contraception.

In the 1980s, Russia experienced a spike in birth rates, due to a concerted national effort to provide incentives like paid maternity leave and benefits in housing and social services. Such things can be implemented again.

While the OP mostly blames WWII for this decline, other hugely-important factors include WWI, the various famines in the 20s and 30s, the Russian Civil War, and widespread economic devastation.

Russia's birth rates are merely catching up with the rest of the industrialized world's

"Perhaps the only genuine crisis aspect of current Russian demographic trends appears in increased rates of mortality, which have been especially dramatic among working-age men." The article goes on to discuss alcoholism and related conditions, but this is only part of the issue. Russia's rates of homicide and suicide are among the highest in the world. Deaths from illness and chronic and degenerative diseases, such as cancer, respiratory failure, and circulatory and cardiovascular diseases, have increased sharply.

There is also a long section discussing Russia's failing health care system, which has been mostly ignored since throughout the Soviet era

Putin is tackling this issue (why wouldn't he?). Interestingly enough, the Russian Orthodox Church has created a Pro-life stance for the demographic crisis. (We don't want to debate Abortion, if you want to, go to another forum).

[Hammer Britannia]

A N N E X P O L A N D

Better idea:

Re-Install the POLISH-LITHUANIAN COMMONWEALTH

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

A N N E X P O L A N D

Better idea:

Re-Install the POLISH-LITHUANIAN COMMONWEALTH

Best idea:

Restore the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE

[Hammer Britannia]

Better idea:

Re-Install the POLISH-LITHUANIAN COMMONWEALTH

Best idea:

Restore the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE

No, the HRE is gay and run by Alabamaians.

[Abarri]

Or they could just let nature take its course.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Best idea:

Restore the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE

No, the HRE is gay and run by Alabamaians.

Germans and Russians are natural enemies. Like Germans and Poles. Or Germans and English. Or Germans and French. Or Germans and other Germans.
Damn Germans, they ruined Germany!

[Holy Tedalonia]

No, the HRE is gay and run by Alabamaians.

Germans and Russians are natural enemies. Like Germans and Poles. Or Germans and English. Or Germans and French. Or Germans and other Germans.
Damn Germans, they ruined Germany!

We need Bohemia, running things again. Bohemian Emperor under a new HRE. Instead of Holy, it will be the Bohemian-Roman Empire.