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Postby The Srovsk State » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:05 pm

Nolo gap wrote:how is this a problem? too many humans is the problem for the whole planet.
whatever russia is dong right to reduce its population, i mean as long as it isn't anything drastically inhumane, we should all be taking notes!


Its a problem because there is no Russia without Russians.
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Postby The Srovsk State » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:09 pm

Attempt 2:

To solve the demographic crisis, we shall re-criminalize domestic violence, make sex-incentives for married Russian couples, (possibly a ban on abortion) and an incentive to reduce alcohol consumption since we can't raise the prices.

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Postby Technoscience Leftwing » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:19 pm

This is not a people problem, it is a problem of a small handful of the ruling class, which needs cheap labor and soldiers.

The decrease in birth rate occurs because the policy of all new tax levies (which ultimately falls on the ordinary poor buyer, lead to higher prices for goods and tariffs for services), and the policy of crackdown, bans, when the space of opportunities every year all narrowed . As a result, people have a feeling of hopelessness, injustice and futility of such a policy and such a system, the unsuitability of such a future for the life of new generations. From here decrease in birth rate, growth of suicides, depression, emigration.

In the interests of the masses, not an increase in the birth rate in the conditions of poverty, like Bangladesh or Africa, but an improvement in the quality of life, albeit with a certain decline in the birth rate. The interests of the rulers should not be confused with the interests of the masses.
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Postby Ubekibekibekibekistanstan » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:40 pm

The Srovsk State wrote:Attempt 2:

To solve the demographic crisis, we shall re-criminalize domestic violence, make sex-incentives for married Russian couples, (possibly a ban on abortion) and an incentive to reduce alcohol consumption since we can't raise the prices.

(This topic harder than I thought)

Why not? That's what happened to cigarettes in the US, with increases on taxes on them. I would also support the other ideas you mentioned, including abortion restrictions and making it harder to get a divorce.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:49 pm

The Srovsk State wrote:
Nolo gap wrote:how is this a problem? too many humans is the problem for the whole planet.
whatever russia is dong right to reduce its population, i mean as long as it isn't anything drastically inhumane, we should all be taking notes!


Its a problem because there is no Russia without Russians.


Not seeing how that is a problem. China will need some extra land.
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Postby Great Eddy » Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:03 am

Conserative Morality wrote:Why would we need to solve a good thing?

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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:12 am

The Srovsk State wrote:
The Black Party wrote:Why?


Lot's of men in Russia barely live to the age of 60 years Old because of rapid alcohol consumption. They literally die because of alcoholism.
Because of that and WWII, There are 8 Russian men for every 10 Russian women.


60 is older than breeding age, so dying then should have little to no effect on birth rates.
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Postby The Srovsk State » Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:18 am

USS Monitor wrote:
The Srovsk State wrote:
Lot's of men in Russia barely live to the age of 60 years Old because of rapid alcohol consumption. They literally die because of alcoholism.
Because of that and WWII, There are 8 Russian men for every 10 Russian women.


60 is older than breeding age, so dying then should have little to no effect on birth rates.


Yes they don't but those men hardly have sex
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Postby Risottia » Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:30 am

The Srovsk State wrote:The Russian population has been shrinking every year. What caused this to occur was World War II when 26 Million Soviet people including soldiers have lost their lives to the German war machine, Stalin's Not one step back policy and Nazi atrocities. The population of Bangladesh which is about the same size as Washington State has 168 Million inhabitants while Russia has 146.8 Million. The overall poor health of men and geographical climate barriers hinder's Russia the ability to grow it's population.

So-

If we were to just throw out Vladimir Putin for a second and replace him with you, how will you handle Russia's demographic crisis?

Nothing.
There are already too many humans on the planet. The problem is Bangladesh & others continuing to grow, not Russian population decreasing.

The Srovsk State wrote: There are 8 Russian men for every 10 Russian women.

We can just send Berlusconi over. Problem solved.
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Give people the Order of Lenin for having 3+ children and import Africans. On the plus side on the other side of the world, Africa won't be so crowded that resource wars could happen!
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:23 am

Great Eddy wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Why would we need to solve a good thing?

^
Obvious proof that Russophobia exists.

I didn't realize that natural population decline was so contentious an issue for you. =^)
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:27 am

As much as helping solve our global overpopulation issue is a good thing, this is something that can easily be solved with migration.
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^ And as climate change unleash hell to developing asian and african countries, sooner or later we'll probably forced to open the floodgate and add 200 million - 1 billion more refugees to europe, north america, and russia/siberia (?). #congolesesiberia

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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:17 am

The Srovsk State wrote:
Nolo gap wrote:how is this a problem? too many humans is the problem for the whole planet.
whatever russia is dong right to reduce its population, i mean as long as it isn't anything drastically inhumane, we should all be taking notes!


Its a problem because there is no Russia without Russians.

144 million is not a tiny amount.
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Postby Romanian-Slavia » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:30 am

A solution could be to improve thee standard of living => Young people wouldn't live the country anymore (Emigration rate wll decrease and birth rate will increase) + average lifespan will increase (Death rate will decrease) + more immigration will come to country.
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Postby Kragholm Free States » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:39 am

Vassenor wrote:As much as helping solve our global overpopulation issue is a good thing, this is something that can easily be solved with migration.


Easily? No. Migration is an effective short-term solution to give your population a boost in numbers, sure. But to treat the issue of declining populations as merely a number that can be added to to get a larger number is grossly oversimplifying it. Cultural preservation, historical preservation, linguistic preservation, are all extremely important things.

Before you say it, no, I don't give a fuck whether or not the next generation of Russians has darker skin. They could all suddenly start looking like sub-saharan Africans overnight for all I care. But if you rely on importing huge numbers of people from areas of the world with surplus populations, don't be surprised when they do not care one bit about the culture of the country they are moving to, and do not feel any sense of loyalty to it. In small numbers, sure, they'll assimilate because they have to. In large enough numbers to form their own de-facto segregated communities within their host countries, as they often do in some parts of Europe already, it will not work. And if you do that and don't actually solve the issue of declining Russian birth rates itself, you're not solving a problem for Russia. You're erasing Russia and building a new nation in its empty shell, alien to everything that is Russian. The same, of course, would happen to Bangladesh if you suddenly flooded it with Russians. Let's not.
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Postby New Sukberia » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:41 am

Conserative Morality wrote:Why would we need to solve a good thing?

Nice.
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The Srovsk State wrote:
Nolo gap wrote:how is this a problem? too many humans is the problem for the whole planet.
whatever russia is dong right to reduce its population, i mean as long as it isn't anything drastically inhumane, we should all be taking notes!


Its a problem because there is no Russia without Russians.


So it's a good thing.
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Postby Kragholm Free States » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:43 am

New Sukberia wrote:
The Srovsk State wrote:
Its a problem because there is no Russia without Russians.


So it's a good thing.


hurr durr russia bad is not an argument.
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The Srovsk State wrote:The Russian population has been shrinking every year. What caused this to occur was World War II when 26 Million Soviet people including soldiers have lost their lives to the German war machine, Stalin's Not one step back policy and Nazi atrocities. The population of Bangladesh which is about the same size as Washington State has 168 Million inhabitants while Russia has 146.8 Million. The overall poor health of men and geographical climate barriers hinder's Russia the ability to grow it's population.

So-

If we were to just throw out Vladimir Putin for a second and replace him with you, how will you handle Russia's demographic crisis?


I don't want to seem like I'm defending Stalin as the man was overall a piece of shit, but he was the kind of piece of shit the Soviets needed to survive the invasion of Nazi Germany. Anyway I don't think it's accurate to say that Stalin's "not one step back" policy is responsible for the overwhelming loss of life, because had so many Soviet soldiers not been thrown in the meat grinder, then Nazi Germany would have ended up victorious and you only need to look at the fate of the millions of Soviet POWs and Nazi Germany's policies of ethnic cleansing and Lebensraum to see that even more Russian lives would have been lost if the Soviets weren't willing to fight to the death.
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Postby New Sukberia » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:45 am

Kragholm Free States wrote:
New Sukberia wrote:
So it's a good thing.


hurr durr russia bad is not an argument.

Russia Is bad. Russians are bad. Still buthurt they lost the cold War. I see no reason to stop the ennemies of the West to Just keep declining.

Also, it wasn't an argument to anything. It was an observation.
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Postby Leninist Haven » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:47 am

Romanian-Slavia wrote:A solution could be to improve thee standard of living => Young people wouldn't live the country anymore (Emigration rate wll decrease and birth rate will increase) + average lifespan will increase (Death rate will decrease) + more immigration will come to country.


Well, based on the generally accepted statistics, everything went down after 1991's fall of the USSR. It seems that the fall of the USSR had drastic repercussions on the population's decline... The stats are, quite frankly, extreme right after 1991. Life expectancy dropped and poverty increased greatly, which certainly didn't help matters. I'd suggest that the Soviets were doing something right, and that's not happening any longer.

The statistics I reference can be found here: http://worldpopulationreview.com/countr ... opulation/
Though I've seen many sources that state this.

Edit: For sake of clarity, if you don't want to find the graph on the source: It was a linear increase from 1950 to 1991. From 1991 to 1993, growth became incredibly tiny. This means that the growth of before started to slow to almost nothing. After that, it just drops massively in a low period of time.
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Postby Greater Hunnia » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:54 am

Nolo gap wrote:how is this a problem? too many humans is the problem for the whole planet.
whatever russia is dong right to reduce its population, i mean as long as it isn't anything drastically inhumane, we should all be taking notes!


Come on, that is not the whole truth and you know it. There are parts of the planet where people are breeding like rabbits, like Africa, India, or Bangladesh, and there are parts of the planet where the native population is in a steady decline. Declining populations should crank up their birthrates, and proliferating ones should suppress them.
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