The Russian population is shrinking, how can you solve it?

[Endem]

The Japanese have recently ascended to the next step of human evolution where they don't even have sex anymore.

You ever bang a pillow just to flex on people with kids

*Points a water gun*

OP said, keep it Russian

[Shanhwa]

A N N E X P O L A N D

Better idea:

Re-Install the POLISH-LITHUANIAN COMMONWEALTH

We remember, in September...

[Holy Tedalonia]

You ever bang a pillow just to flex on people with kids

*Points a water gun*

OP said, keep it Russian

Russians are slowly adapting to the techniques that the Japanese have used. Its only time before Pillow-chan takes the world by storm

[The Greater German Realm]

that face you make

when you steal this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ56MYa9W8M

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Relationships are hard, especially in a work society like that. Relationships with our pillows is the next step to our evolution, as japan has shown us.

The sexbot industry never stood a chance.

Thank you for reminding me of this: https://www.thisisinsider.com/sex-robot ... on-2018-10
Basically, someone tried to open a robot brothel in Houston, but the city blocked it (presumably because the South prefers cousins over machines).

[The Srovsk State]

that face you make

when you steal this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ56MYa9W8M
(Image)

Out of Topic: Sorry about that, I forgot to mention him and his lectures on the Opening Post.
Great guy and gives good trivias.

back to forum topic

[Cyganias]

I wouldn't because of overpopulation if Russia started growing again it would make overpopulation worse

[Diopolis]

Introduce a childlessness tax, make contraceptives hard to get, and put children from(and fathers of) large families at the front of the line for civil service jobs. Also, tell Kyril he needs to swing against contraceptives. It might not do that much, but it won't hurt.

[The Srovsk State]

I wouldn't because of overpopulation if Russia started growing again it would make overpopulation worse

It wouldn't be bad for Russia to start growing again if other countries with already big populations have a population decline.

[Farnhamia]

hurr durr russia bad is not an argument.

Russia Is bad. Russians are bad. Still buthurt they lost the cold War. I see no reason to stop the ennemies of the West to Just keep declining.

Also, it wasn't an argument to anything. It was an observation.

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[Ifreann]

Introduce a childlessness tax, make contraceptives hard to get, and put children from(and fathers of) large families at the front of the line for civil service jobs. Also, tell Kyril he needs to swing against contraceptives. It might not do that much, but it won't hurt.

One shudders to imagine how high a childlessness tax would have to be for it to be cheaper to have a child.

[Baltenstein]

Introduce a childlessness tax, make contraceptives hard to get, and put children from(and fathers of) large families at the front of the line for civil service jobs. Also, tell Kyril he needs to swing against contraceptives. It might not do that much, but it won't hurt.

This seems like a bad idea because

A) Russians already have the frakly horrible habit of using abortion as the primary means of contraception

B) Russia has a chronic problem with HIV and other STDs, railing against condoms would only make this worse

[Diopolis]

Introduce a childlessness tax, make contraceptives hard to get, and put children from(and fathers of) large families at the front of the line for civil service jobs. Also, tell Kyril he needs to swing against contraceptives. It might not do that much, but it won't hurt.

One shudders to imagine how high a childlessness tax would have to be for it to be cheaper to have a child.

Governments have expenses too, you know.

[Ifreann]

One shudders to imagine how high a childlessness tax would have to be for it to be cheaper to have a child.

Governments have expenses too, you know.

So I've heard.

[New Sukberia]

Russia Is bad. Russians are bad. Still buthurt they lost the cold War. I see no reason to stop the ennemies of the West to Just keep declining.

Also, it wasn't an argument to anything. It was an observation.

*** Warned for trolling. ***

Sorry, didn't knew that counted as trolling

[Abarri]

Introduce a childlessness tax, make contraceptives hard to get, and put children from(and fathers of) large families at the front of the line for civil service jobs. Also, tell Kyril he needs to swing against contraceptives. It might not do that much, but it won't hurt.

Looks like it will force people to not stay single－a bad idea.

[Diopolis]

Introduce a childlessness tax, make contraceptives hard to get, and put children from(and fathers of) large families at the front of the line for civil service jobs. Also, tell Kyril he needs to swing against contraceptives. It might not do that much, but it won't hurt.

Looks like it will force people to not stay single－a bad idea.

Apply it to anyone not married or in a monastery, but exempt married couples for the first two years.

[Novus America]

Look, clearly the Russian people have chosen to euthanize themselves and that's their right. We mustn't prolong their suffering.

...I don't think that's what's going on at all. Most developed countries have small or even negative growth rates (Japan being the most notable one), so it's not that weird.

The thing is Russia is not a well developed country.
It has a pitiful GDP per capita.
Usually countries get rich before they get old.

The phenomenon of countries in Northwestern Europe getting old because they are rich, have gender equality and all sure.

But Russia does not fit the profile at all.

Japan has a whole bunch of other cultural issues.

[Zurkerx]

It's quite clear that Russia must mobilize its armies and retake Eastern Europe. *nods (jk)

Well, when you can barely grow any crops and the economic opportunities aren't there, of course the population will decrease. There's a couple reasons why Russia wants the Ukraine and that is 1). It's apparently where "the Russians" originated and 2). The Ukraine was where a lot of wheat came from, which fed the former Soviet Union.

Let the population continue to decrease, maybe it'll force Russia to stop its bad behavior, especially if we continue to promote opportunity outside of Russia.

[Novus America]

A N N E X P O L A N D

Jokes aside, maybe provide an incentive to have more kids. A sizable tax break for families with 3+ children worked just fine for Augustus, I don't see why it shouldn't work for Putin.

Here's an article I found from the RAND Corp on the matter, if anyone cares for some thoughtful and studied facts on the matter:

https://www.rand.org/pubs/issue_papers/ ... ndex2.html

Some interesting takeaways:

Russia has the highest abortion rate in the world. Abortion is the primary form of birth control in Russia. Other forms of contraception are mostly unavailable. While abortion is readily available in Russia, it is not well-regulated or hygienic, and can result in sterility due to complications. Women in Russia try to have all of the children they plan on having by ~22, so that they can proceed to use unsafe abortions for the rest of their life as their method of contraception.

In the 1980s, Russia experienced a spike in birth rates, due to a concerted national effort to provide incentives like paid maternity leave and benefits in housing and social services. Such things can be implemented again.

While the OP mostly blames WWII for this decline, other hugely-important factors include WWI, the various famines in the 20s and 30s, the Russian Civil War, and widespread economic devastation.

Russia's birth rates are merely catching up with the rest of the industrialized world's

"Perhaps the only genuine crisis aspect of current Russian demographic trends appears in increased rates of mortality, which have been especially dramatic among working-age men." The article goes on to discuss alcoholism and related conditions, but this is only part of the issue. Russia's rates of homicide and suicide are among the highest in the world. Deaths from illness and chronic and degenerative diseases, such as cancer, respiratory failure, and circulatory and cardiovascular diseases, have increased sharply.

There is also a long section discussing Russia's failing health care system, which has been mostly ignored since throughout the Soviet era

Putin is tackling this issue (why wouldn't he?). Interestingly enough, the Russian Orthodox Church has created a Pro-life stance for the demographic crisis. (We don't want to debate Abortion, if you want to, go to another forum).

He is NOT tackling the structural deformities in the economy which are destroying real wages however.

Paying people to make children more affordable while decreasing their real wages is illogical.

[Novus America]

I wouldn't because of overpopulation if Russia started growing again it would make overpopulation worse

Overpopulation is a localized issue. Population growth is also now limited to just Sub Saharan Africa and a few other places.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... _map_2.png

Russia has an absurdly low population density, it is not overpopulated.

[The Srovsk State]

Putin is tackling this issue (why wouldn't he?). Interestingly enough, the Russian Orthodox Church has created a Pro-life stance for the demographic crisis. (We don't want to debate Abortion, if you want to, go to another forum).

He is NOT tackling the structural deformities in the economy which are destroying real wages however.

Paying people to make children more affordable while decreasing their real wages is illogical.

It is a stupid idea to decrease wages and then just make children affordable. It would just make Russia's economic abilities hindered than it already is. By all means yes, he is not tackling structural deformities in the economy.

[The Srovsk State]

Russia also has an alcohol problem with young men. Each year, many men die because of alcohol consumption. Meaning that many men die early in their lives before reaching even the average life expectancy. Would the raising the prices of alcohol help with sustaining the male population?

It does raise concerns, if Russian men drink so much then raising the prices won't help because they could get it by cheaper means. An outright ban on alcohol might result in a scenario similar to that of the United States when they attempted to ban alcohol, the result was that people are getting alcohol through illegal means and organized crime was built on aging money through selling illegal alcohol. The organized crime supplied the alcohol and made profit for its distribution/selling.

[Novus America]

Looks like it will force people to not stay single－a bad idea.

Apply it to anyone not married or in a monastery, but exempt married couples for the first two years.

Or easier is just exempt those with three or more children from paying income tax.
Less controversial than a childlessness tax but produces the same result.

[Novus America]

Russia also has an alcohol problem with young men. Each year, many men die because of alcohol consumption. Meaning that many men die early in their lives before reaching even the average life expectancy. Would the raising the prices of alcohol help with sustaining the male population?

It does raise concerns, if Russian men drink so much then raising the prices won't help because they could get it by cheaper means. An outright ban on alcohol might result in a scenario similar to that of the United States when they attempted to ban alcohol, the result was that people are getting alcohol through illegal means and organized crime was built on aging money through selling illegal alcohol. The organized crime supplied the alcohol and made profit for its distribution/selling.

Certainly the rampant abuse of alcohol and other drugs is a severe problem (Russia has a huge heroin problem as well).

Raising taxes on alcohol does not deal with the problem of illegally made alcohol.
Alcohol is very easy to to make. Though you often make methanol rather than ethanol.
Methanol kills you much faster.
Although I support in increasing taxes on alcohol to fund healthcare to offset some of the damage alcohol causes, we need to look at the cause, not just the symptoms.

Russia’s population dropped about 100,000 last year. Illegal drug use, mostly Heroin alone kills about 100,000 Russians a year.

Why do so many (not all but many) Russians find their lives so bleak and grim alcohol, heroin and even suicide seem the only way out?