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Postby First American Empire » Wed May 01, 2019 9:17 am

Grand Britannia wrote:Perfect moment to revive War Plan Red and show solidarity with the Philippines.


If America tried, hundreds of our largest cities would quickly be destroyed by the British and French nuclear arsenals.
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Grand Britannia wrote:Perfect moment to revive War Plan Red and show solidarity with the Philippines.


If America tried, hundreds of our largest cities would quickly be destroyed by the British and French nuclear arsenals.

We've got more nukes in Britain and France than they have anywhere near America, but OK

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First American Empire wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Perfect moment to revive War Plan Red and show solidarity with the Philippines.


If America tried, hundreds of our largest cities would quickly be destroyed by the British and French nuclear arsenals.

Ah, yes.

France and Britannia's 515 nukes

Compared to America's 4,000
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Postby Grand Britannia » Wed May 01, 2019 9:21 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
If America tried, hundreds of our largest cities would quickly be destroyed by the British and French nuclear arsenals.

Ah, yes.

France and Britannia's 515 nukes

Compared to America's 4,000

It's like 6,000.

Could turn Britain into part of the North Sea and still have left over to turn France into part of the Atlantic.
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Grand Britannia wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Ah, yes.

France and Britannia's 515 nukes

Compared to America's 4,000

It's like 6,000.

Could turn Britain into part of the North Sea and still have left over to turn France into part of the Atlantic.

Do it
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Postby First American Empire » Wed May 01, 2019 9:24 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
If America tried, hundreds of our largest cities would quickly be destroyed by the British and French nuclear arsenals.

Ah, yes.

France and Britannia's 515 nukes

Compared to America's 4,000


No matter what America does to the rest of NATO, that still means America loses its 515 biggest cities.
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Postby Novus America » Wed May 01, 2019 9:25 am

Duhon wrote:He knows he's "ignorant, vulgar, and rude" -- and knows people wouldn't give a shit so long as he delivers, or makes a lot of noise attempting to (see: almost daily press conferences regurtitating the same profanity-filled talking points about drugs, corruption, etc).

He may not look it, but he's quite the operator, able to pass off his radicalism and bloodlust as reformist straight talk -- and has fairly outplayed the opposition here.


A valid point. He might be a horrible leader, but he still is an extremely successful politician.

Which raises an interesting idea. Nixon sometimes deliberately made himself out to be crazier than he was as a political technique. But it also turned out he really was crazy.

Though Nixon would never do what Duterte has done, and if Duterte did what Nixon did he would, unlike Nixon face no consequences for it.

So if someone is deliberately acting insane it means it is hard to know how much really is an act.

It might not necessarily be insane to act insane, but acting insane does not mean you are still sane. The easiest role to act is act yourself.

Also some people fall into success by accident. Something that is success might not have been rationally thought through beforehand.

Duterte’s idol Hitler is of course a good example. Hitler obviously was a complete madman but was successful as a politician until he destroyed his country completely, leaving countless millions dead.

So it is hard to tell the real Duterte from the image he puts out.
Does he go home and laugh at how people fall for his BS?

Or does he go home thinking he is doing awesome things and is really an awesome leader brining glory to his country?

Does he really care about the Philippines or only himself?
Is he happy even though he knows he is harming the country and simply does not care?

If his rhetoric was merely rhetoric it would be one thing.
But the dead bodies and damage done to the Philippines foreign relations are real.
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Postby Novus America » Wed May 01, 2019 9:30 am

First American Empire wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Perfect moment to revive War Plan Red and show solidarity with the Philippines.


If America tried, hundreds of our largest cities would quickly be destroyed by the British and French nuclear arsenals.


Not true. There is no way France and the UK are willing to commit suicide for Canada.
We should not do it, but not for that reason.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Wed May 01, 2019 9:49 am

First American Empire wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Ah, yes.

France and Britannia's 515 nukes

Compared to America's 4,000


No matter what America does to the rest of NATO, that still means America loses its 515 biggest cities.

TIL that America has no defense systems and that every French and British nuke is the Tsar Bomba

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Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
No matter what America does to the rest of NATO, that still means America loses its 515 biggest cities.

TIL that America has no defense systems and that every French and British nuke is the Tsar Bomba

IIRC, the largest bomb in the French Arsenal is only around 300 Kilotons with the British one being smaller

If that bomb was dropped on Soho, Manhatten most of The Bronx, Queens, and Staten Island would survive. Though Brooklyn would be subject to a blast around 160 MPH, about 60 miles higher than Hurricane Katrina and Manhattan would be screwed, with everything as far away as Central Park being on fire.

So, New York would be damaged heavily, but not destroyed.
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If he does declare war on Canada, he will be declaring war on the rest of NATO.
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Postby Rio Cana » Wed May 01, 2019 12:53 pm

There are 851000 Filipinos living in Canada. Which means the Philippines already has a sizable army there. So soon the Philippines Empire will come into existence. Once again, gold and silver from the Americas (Canada) will flow to Manila. :clap: :lol:

There is not going to be any war. This is just grandstanding. If he really wants to get rid of that trash in those containers he just needs to get a Canadian registered container ship which is bringing containers to the Philippines to take those containers full of garbage back to Canada COD. Problem solved.
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Postby North Saitama » Wed May 01, 2019 7:32 pm

Should we blame the garbage truck, or blame the shipping company, or should we blame the customs officers at the port? No, blame Canada, blame Canada!
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Wed May 01, 2019 7:37 pm

Rio Cana wrote:There are 851000 Filipinos living in Canada. Which means the Philippines already has a sizable army there. So soon the Philippines Empire will come into existence. Once again, gold and silver from the Americas (Canada) will flow to Manila. :clap: :lol: .

Imagine if all of the Filipinos in Canada just ended up not working for a day. Canadian hospitals would shut down because of lack of nursing staff. We've got Canada in a chokehold and it doesn't even know it yet.

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed May 01, 2019 7:50 pm

North Saitama wrote:Should we blame the garbage truck, or blame the shipping company, or should we blame the customs officers at the port? No, blame Canada, blame Canada!


"Should we blame the garbage, or blame the shipping corp, or should we blame the Coast Guard at the port" reads better btw.
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Postby North Saitama » Wed May 01, 2019 8:07 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
North Saitama wrote:Should we blame the garbage truck, or blame the shipping company, or should we blame the customs officers at the port? No, blame Canada, blame Canada!


"Should we blame the garbage, or blame the shipping corp, or blame the Coast Guard at the port" reads better btw.


True. I'm just surprised that nobody did it, yet.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Wed May 01, 2019 9:06 pm

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Hurtful Thoughts wrote:It's pronounced Pelican, not Pelican't.

The max range/endurance of an S-61/HH-3 unrefueled was 780 miles or about 5 hours.

Granted, each pair of fighter-jets would be strapped to a tanker like it were an umbillical-cord, suckling fuel all the way in... but it can be done.


Canada only has two tankers, with a range of 9,600 km.
Which is actually a little less than the range from Vancouver to Manila.
They would have to refuel each other.

It is theoretically possible. But would be extremely inefficient and ineffective.
The amount of ordinance delivered would be tiny, and not really do anything.

Can you use your hand to hammer a nail?
Yes, in theory. It is still a bad idea.

Why do you always insist they take off from Vancouver when even Dawson is 1500km closer?
-To take a very extreme example, the distance between Ottawa and Manilla is over 13,000 km... your point?

It has already been pointed out that a flight from Gaum would put them within 2500 km, within single-tanker range.
-Worst-case is Darwin to Manilla, a 3100 km flight.

Pull out a map and look at strike-options, not excuses. You aren't paid to make excuses.
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Postby Fedel » Wed May 01, 2019 9:11 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
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And the fact he made his cabinet gender equal, which shows he is actually that dumb.

This basically sounds like you are saying he is an idiot for having women in his cabinet in a relatively decent number. Class act.


I think it's more implying that he's an idiot for assigning positions based on the desire to ensure there were an equal number of females and males in his cabinet as opposed to trying to get the best possible people for the job.
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Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Canada only has two tankers, with a range of 9,600 km.
Which is actually a little less than the range from Vancouver to Manila.
They would have to refuel each other.

It is theoretically possible. But would be extremely inefficient and ineffective.
The amount of ordinance delivered would be tiny, and not really do anything.

Can you use your hand to hammer a nail?
Yes, in theory. It is still a bad idea.

Why do you always insist they take off from Vancouver when even Dawson is 1500km closer?
-To take a very extreme example, the distance between Ottawa and Manilla is over 13,000 km... your point?

It has already been pointed out that a flight from Gaum would put them within 2500 km, within single-tanker range.
-Worst-case is Darwin to Manilla, a 3100 km flight.

Pull out a map and look at strike-options, not excuses. You aren't paid to make excuses.


Guam and Darwin are not Canadian bases.
Obviously a combined ANZUS NATO operation would win easily.
But Canadian participation would be negligible.

I guess you are really desperate to get the “I participated” trophy?

If the Philippines merely declared war, but did not attack (which it would not because it could not) it is very unlikely the US or Australia want to attack the Philippines.

And without them you are in no shape to do much. Well even with them.
Just drop a few bombs and that is it.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Thu May 02, 2019 8:58 am

Novus America wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Why do you always insist they take off from Vancouver when even Dawson is 1500km closer?
-To take a very extreme example, the distance between Ottawa and Manilla is over 13,000 km... your point?

It has already been pointed out that a flight from Gaum would put them within 2500 km, within single-tanker range.
-Worst-case is Darwin to Manilla, a 3100 km flight.

Pull out a map and look at strike-options, not excuses. You aren't paid to make excuses.


Guam and Darwin are not Canadian bases.
Obviously a combined ANZUS NATO operation would win easily.
But Canadian participation would be negligible.

I guess you are really desperate to get the “I participated” trophy?

If the Philippines merely declared war, but did not attack (which it would not because it could not) it is very unlikely the US or Australia want to attack the Philippines.

And without them you are in no shape to do much. Well even with them.
Just drop a few bombs and that is it.

"I participated" is all they get since the end of WW2.

Besides the Philippines have no ships to protect a supply chain all the way to Canada, let alone land in Canada. So them declaring war on them would just be solved diplomatically since the US wants to maintain allies in and around the South China Sea.
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Grand Britannia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Guam and Darwin are not Canadian bases.
Obviously a combined ANZUS NATO operation would win easily.
But Canadian participation would be negligible.

I guess you are really desperate to get the “I participated” trophy?

If the Philippines merely declared war, but did not attack (which it would not because it could not) it is very unlikely the US or Australia want to attack the Philippines.

And without them you are in no shape to do much. Well even with them.
Just drop a few bombs and that is it.

"I participated" is all they get since the end of WW2.

Besides the Philippines have no ships to protect a supply chain all the way to Canada, let alone land in Canada. So them declaring war on them would just be solved diplomatically since the US wants to maintain allies in and around the South China Sea.


Exactly. Even the Philippines did declare war there would be no fighting and it would just be negotiations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bloodless_wars
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Postby First American Empire » Thu May 02, 2019 9:38 am

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Bezkoshtovnya wrote:This basically sounds like you are saying he is an idiot for having women in his cabinet in a relatively decent number. Class act.


I think it's more implying that he's an idiot for assigning positions based on the desire to ensure there were an equal number of females and males in his cabinet as opposed to trying to get the best possible people for the job.


Getting an equal number of men and women and getting the best people possible for the job will, in most cases, get you the exact same people.
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First American Empire wrote:
Fedel wrote:
I think it's more implying that he's an idiot for assigning positions based on the desire to ensure there were an equal number of females and males in his cabinet as opposed to trying to get the best possible people for the job.


Getting an equal number of men and women and getting the best people possible for the job will, in most cases, get you the exact same people.


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First American Empire wrote:
Fedel wrote:
I think it's more implying that he's an idiot for assigning positions based on the desire to ensure there were an equal number of females and males in his cabinet as opposed to trying to get the best possible people for the job.


Getting an equal number of men and women and getting the best people possible for the job will, in most cases, get you the exact same people.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu May 02, 2019 12:55 pm

First American Empire wrote:
Fedel wrote:
I think it's more implying that he's an idiot for assigning positions based on the desire to ensure there were an equal number of females and males in his cabinet as opposed to trying to get the best possible people for the job.


Getting an equal number of men and women and getting the best people possible for the job will, in most cases, get you the exact same people.

The fact that there are selection processes for jobs tends to suggest that candidates aren't all equal.
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