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by Yusseria » Thu May 02, 2019 1:35 pm
by Novus America » Thu May 02, 2019 1:43 pm
Yusseria wrote:While this is stupid, he does have legitimate complaints.
Canada lied and dumped their garbage in the Phillipines and then demanded that the Filipinos dispose of it.
Take your fucking garbage back, Canada.
by Kowani » Thu May 02, 2019 4:00 pm
Tokora wrote:Would Duterte's reputation be in any way impacted if neither he nor Canada do anything?
by Yusseria » Thu May 02, 2019 4:06 pm
by Happsborough » Thu May 02, 2019 4:08 pm
Aureumterra wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/24/asia/duterte-canada-trash-intl/index.html
https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... -canada-ifCNN wrote:Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte has threatened to "go to war" with Canada if the country doesn't take back tons of trash a Canada-based company had shipped to Manila several years ago.
"I'll give a warning to Canada maybe next week that they better pull that (trash) out," he said Tuesday, according to CNN Philippines. "We'll declare war against them, we can handle them anyway."
According to CNN Philippines, 103 containers holding 2,450 tons of trash were shipped to the Philippines in 2013 and 2014.
The containers were labeled as plastics for recycling, but inspectors in Philippines found the garbage was not recyclable. The trash was declared illegal as the private Canada-based company responsible for shipping the cargo didn't have import clearances.
Some of the containers are still at the port of Manila, according to the report.
The issue of global waste and what to do with it has become a growing problem. For years, developed countries have shipped recyclable waste overseas for processing, bu that is now beginning to change.
Last year, China moved to ban "foreign garbage" as a way to reduce environmental damage. The restrictions have reportedly led to recycling waste piling up in developed countries with nowhere to send it.
"I cannot understand why they are making us a dump site" said Duterte, who warned that he would sail to Canada and dump the trash there himself, adding: "The garbage is coming home."
The Philippines has been calling on Canada for years to repatriate its trash. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in the past that he was "very much engaged in finding a solution" to the dumped waste.
Duterte often uses bombastic statements. Earlier this month, for instance, he threatened to send his troops on a "suicide mission" if Beijing didn't "lay off" a Manila-occupied island in the South China Sea.
So yeah my opinion, slayer of drug lords Papa Rody has decided to threaten Canada with war. Considering both the leaders are really bad, I worry about this. Anyways, I do hope this doesn’t escalate, because if it did, the Philippines may go back to its former colonizer, I do think Duterte will revoke his statements, giving it at most a week. So NSG, what do you feel about this statement from Duterte?
by Hurtful Thoughts » Thu May 02, 2019 6:25 pm
Novus America wrote:Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Why do you always insist they take off from Vancouver when even Dawson is 1500km closer?
-To take a very extreme example, the distance between Ottawa and Manilla is over 13,000 km... your point?
It has already been pointed out that a flight from Gaum would put them within 2500 km, within single-tanker range.
-Worst-case is Darwin to Manilla, a 3100 km flight.
Pull out a map and look at strike-options, not excuses. You aren't paid to make excuses.
Guam and Darwin are not Canadian bases.
Obviously a combined ANZUS NATO operation would win easily.
But Canadian participation would be negligible.
I guess you are really desperate to get the “I participated” trophy?
If the Philippines merely declared war, but did not attack (which it would not because it could not) it is very unlikely the US or Australia want to attack the Philippines.
And without them you are in no shape to do much. Well even with them.
Just drop a few bombs and that is it.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:If there was only a "like" button for NS posts....
by Novus America » Thu May 02, 2019 7:57 pm
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Novus America wrote:
Guam and Darwin are not Canadian bases.
Obviously a combined ANZUS NATO operation would win easily.
But Canadian participation would be negligible.
I guess you are really desperate to get the “I participated” trophy?
If the Philippines merely declared war, but did not attack (which it would not because it could not) it is very unlikely the US or Australia want to attack the Philippines.
And without them you are in no shape to do much. Well even with them.
Just drop a few bombs and that is it.
Or cuise up with a destroyer/frigate and lob a few five-inchers to test out those precision artillery shells.
Or launch a few harpoons...
Or sling a harpoon onto their Sea Kings/Cyclones. (Or fly a group of attack helies off the deck of a cargo-ship, Russian Naval Infantry style), which opens up the use of Chinook gunships, Huey/Griffons and Jetrangers/Kiowas for the inevitable land-invasion.
by Novus America » Thu May 02, 2019 8:04 pm
Happsborough wrote:Aureumterra wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/24/asia/duterte-canada-trash-intl/index.html
https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... -canada-if
So yeah my opinion, slayer of drug lords Papa Rody has decided to threaten Canada with war. Considering both the leaders are really bad, I worry about this. Anyways, I do hope this doesn’t escalate, because if it did, the Philippines may go back to its former colonizer, I do think Duterte will revoke his statements, giving it at most a week. So NSG, what do you feel about this statement from Duterte?
Is he serious? Threatening a US-backed country easily 30x the size of his with a military way better and stronger? I hope he's joking, or a repeat of the late 1890's (except with more syrup) may occur.
by Pilipinas and Malaya » Fri May 03, 2019 1:46 am
Tokora wrote:Would Duterte's reputation be in any way impacted if neither he nor Canada do anything?
by Hurtful Thoughts » Fri May 03, 2019 5:06 pm
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:If there was only a "like" button for NS posts....
by Grand Britannia » Fri May 03, 2019 9:22 pm
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Novus America wrote:
Guam and Darwin are not Canadian bases.
Obviously a combined ANZUS NATO operation would win easily.
But Canadian participation would be negligible.
I guess you are really desperate to get the “I participated” trophy?
If the Philippines merely declared war, but did not attack (which it would not because it could not) it is very unlikely the US or Australia want to attack the Philippines.
And without them you are in no shape to do much. Well even with them.
Just drop a few bombs and that is it.
Or cuise up with a destroyer/frigate and lob a few five-inchers to test out those precision artillery shells.
Or launch a few harpoons...
Or sling a harpoon onto their Sea Kings/Cyclones. (Or fly a group of attack helies off the deck of a cargo-ship, Russian Naval Infantry style), which opens up the use of Chinook gunships, Huey/Griffons and Jetrangers/Kiowas for the inevitable land-invasion.
by Hurtful Thoughts » Sat May 04, 2019 11:22 pm
Grand Britannia wrote:Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Or cuise up with a destroyer/frigate and lob a few five-inchers to test out those precision artillery shells.
Or launch a few harpoons...
Or sling a harpoon onto their Sea Kings/Cyclones. (Or fly a group of attack helies off the deck of a cargo-ship, Russian Naval Infantry style), which opens up the use of Chinook gunships, Huey/Griffons and Jetrangers/Kiowas for the inevitable land-invasion.
Harpoon is an anti ship weapon...
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:If there was only a "like" button for NS posts....
by Novus America » Sun May 05, 2019 4:06 am
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Grand Britannia wrote:
Harpoon is an anti ship weapon...
Originally, yes. But it has significant land-attack applications.
Essentially the RGM-84G is a ship-launched harpoon with a Tomahawk warhead to get around the ground launched cruise missile ban.... because that totally makes it a different missile for poli-legal reasons of 1980's logic.
So a recap:
These were legal.
These were not.
Mostly because the BGM-109 had an extra zero to its range.
More fun is when you realize you can just strap them directly onto their tankers for a very Canadian strategic bomber.
by Hladgos » Sun May 05, 2019 9:19 am
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by Hurtful Thoughts » Sun May 05, 2019 11:37 am
Novus America wrote:Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Originally, yes. But it has significant land-attack applications.
Essentially the RGM-84G is a ship-launched harpoon with a Tomahawk warhead to get around the ground launched cruise missile ban.... because that totally makes it a different missile for poli-legal reasons of 1980's logic.
So a recap:
These were legal.
These were not.
Mostly because the BGM-109 had an extra zero to its range.
More fun is when you realize you can just strap them directly onto their tankers for a very Canadian strategic bomber.
Canada does not have any SLAMs though...
Look at the list of operators.
SLAM is not launched from any land or sea based platforms, only aircraft. It is based on Harpoon.
But is a different weapon. It cannot launch from standard Harpoon tubes.
And again Canada has no SLAMs.
Plus you cannot simply strap it to a platform to launch it.
It would require substantial modifications to a tanker to do that.
It would need proper weapons hard points installed.
It would be cheaper to just buy a proper aircraft for the job.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:If there was only a "like" button for NS posts....
by Novus America » Sun May 05, 2019 11:50 am
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Novus America wrote:
Canada does not have any SLAMs though...
Look at the list of operators.
SLAM is not launched from any land or sea based platforms, only aircraft. It is based on Harpoon.
But is a different weapon. It cannot launch from standard Harpoon tubes.
And again Canada has no SLAMs.
Plus you cannot simply strap it to a platform to launch it.
It would require substantial modifications to a tanker to do that.
It would need proper weapons hard points installed.
It would be cheaper to just buy a proper aircraft for the job.
You really don't like doing follow-up ersearch on every land-attack variant of the harpoon, do you? Even after I mentioned what "RGM" in RGM-84G stands for...
by Hurtful Thoughts » Sun May 05, 2019 11:53 am
Novus America wrote:Hurtful Thoughts wrote:You really don't like doing follow-up ersearch on every land-attack variant of the harpoon, do you? Even after I mentioned what "RGM" in RGM-84G stands for...
Even the standard models have a land-attack capability (not as great, with a reduced range, but a lot better than launching a Tartar, SA-6, or Sea-Sparrow missile in radar-guided land-atack mode).
It would also be rather embarassing for the Mexican Navy to have better models of Harpoon missiles (Block II, RGM-84L) than the Canadians.
But hey, lets see what Canadian gov't has to say, eh?
So yes, it seems you can. And Canada does have RGM-84Gs or better, in this case, the L-model.
But you mentioned SLAM.
Which was incorrect.
Sticking SLAM you do not have on an aircraft that does not hard points is still a bad idea.
Now yes you can use Harpoon as a limited land attack weapon. Would not do much damage though.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:If there was only a "like" button for NS posts....
by Novus America » Sun May 05, 2019 12:09 pm
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Novus America wrote:
Even the standard models have a land-attack capability (not as great, with a reduced range, but a lot better than launching a Tartar, SA-6, or Sea-Sparrow missile in radar-guided land-atack mode).
It would also be rather embarassing for the Mexican Navy to have better models of Harpoon missiles (Block II, RGM-84L) than the Canadians.
But hey, lets see what Canadian gov't has to say, eh?
So yes, it seems you can. And Canada does have RGM-84Gs or better, in this case, the L-model.
But you mentioned SLAM.
Which was incorrect.
Sticking SLAM you do not have on an aircraft that does not hard points is still a bad idea.
Now yes you can use Harpoon as a limited land attack weapon. Would not do much damage though.
by First American Empire » Sun May 05, 2019 12:10 pm
Dogmeat wrote:Dumb. Dumb never changes.
by Rio Cana » Mon May 06, 2019 12:15 pm
by Hammer Britannia » Mon May 06, 2019 12:17 pm
Rio Cana wrote:Update - Canada blinked. They will be taking back that six year old garbage. Chances are Vancouver will be stuck with the garbage since that is where the Canadian ship taking it back will dock.
Story on that - http://www.cnnphilippines.com/news/2019 ... pines.html
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon May 06, 2019 12:35 pm
Rio Cana wrote:Update - Canada blinked. They will be taking back that six year old garbage. Chances are Vancouver will be stuck with the garbage since that is where the Canadian ship taking it back will dock.
Story on that - http://www.cnnphilippines.com/news/2019 ... pines.html
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