Tax Fraud, or Another Day in Illinois

[Shrillland]

I know the pain, I've lived here my entire life.

Oregon and Utah on the other hand never do anything of note.

Which is worse?

Well, we never made ourselves a sundown state to skirt the issue of slavery like Oregon did, so I suppose we're even.

[Shrillland]

Well, we never made ourselves a sundown state to skirt the issue of slavery like Oregon did, so I suppose we're even.

Yeah but on the other hand you got Chicago.

We've got...Green and Grey colors for Portland.

Really the corruption scandals are a fair trade for that.

Chicago's not all it's cracked up to be, the crime rate's hellacious...but I won't continue lest we threadjack.

[Simulata]

All I know is when Rauner was still Governor, four out of Illinois last 7 governors went to jail. Could it be 5 of 9 soon? Stay tuned

[Ill and Annoyed]

Illinois: where the governors make the license plates.

[Bear Stearns]

A Illinois governor in hot water? Say it ain’t so.

Well, our last one wasn't, to his credit, nor was Quinn before him, really.

Bruce Rauner was the man. My buddy works at GTCR, his old firm.

[Scomagia]

How many cases like this does a state have to have before you just conclude that the corruption is deeply systemic to the state, rather than just individual corruption?

[Shrillland]

How many cases like this does a state have to have before you just conclude that the corruption is deeply systemic to the state, rather than just individual corruption?

Well, we figured that out about 20 years ago, to be honest.

[Scomagia]

How many cases like this does a state have to have before you just conclude that the corruption is deeply systemic to the state, rather than just individual corruption?

Well, we figured that out about 20 years ago, to be honest.

So, where's the action?

[Shrillland]

Well, we figured that out about 20 years ago, to be honest.

So, where's the action?

There really isn't any to take because that would involve Chicago voting Republican, which is about as likely to happen as me becoming a Country/Western Star...somewhere around absolute zero.

[Scomagia]

So, where's the action?

There really isn't any to take because that would involve Chicago voting Republican, which is about as likely to happen as me becoming a Country/Western Star...somewhere around absolute zero.

I thought the corruption in Illinois was sort of a bipartisan gangbang?

I believe in your ambitions! You just gotta learn four chords, sing with an ambiguous twang, and write lyrics about your dead dog and cheating wife.

[Shrillland]

There really isn't any to take because that would involve Chicago voting Republican, which is about as likely to happen as me becoming a Country/Western Star...somewhere around absolute zero.

I thought the corruption in Illinois was sort of a bipartisan gangbang?

I believe in your ambitions! You just gotta learn four chords, sing with an ambiguous twang, and write lyrics about your dead dog and cheating wife.

To an extent, yes. Ryan was pretty bad with licences-for-bribes. What we really need is new blood all around, not just the old families and figures(and Pritzker is from one of them) continuing down the road...unfortunately, General Secretary Madigan isn't leaving the Speaker's chair in any vertical position...he even outlasted his own daughter's career.

[Ill and Annoyed]

The problem is that there is only so much they can legally do. Especially when they basically control Illinois.

That, and the fact that the Cook County Democratic Machine is eager to eat its own alive when they are caught, so nobody looks any deeper than the person in question. Notice how Governor Rod Blagojevich, when he was impeached, it was almost unanimous. Better for just old Blago to go to prison than look suspicious and have a deeper investigation.

[Major-Tom]

There really isn't any to take because that would involve Chicago voting Republican, which is about as likely to happen as me becoming a Country/Western Star...somewhere around absolute zero.

I thought the corruption in Illinois was sort of a bipartisan gangbang?

I believe in your ambitions! You just gotta learn four chords, sing with an ambiguous twang, and write lyrics about your dead dog and cheating wife.

It is bipartisan in nature, both within the Cook County Democratic machine and within the GOP in that state. Some individuals are more entrenched in these corrupt entanglements than others in Illinois, further complicating the issue. In other words, any action made is slow progress when corruption is so deep in Illinois, whether it's in Springfield or Chicago, whether with a Ryan figure or a Madigan.

I mean, this has been endemic in Illinois since the early Daley years (1950s).

[Major-Tom]

The problem is that there is only so much they can legally do. Especially when they basically control Illinois.

That, and the fact that the Cook County Democratic Machine is eager to eat its own alive when they are caught, so nobody looks any deeper than the person in question. Notice how Governor Rod Blagojevich, when he was impeached, it was almost unanimous. Better for just old Blago to go to prison than look suspicious and have a deeper investigation.

A semi-related caveat, there are arguments that hold Blagojevich was certainly guilty, but didn't deserve the prison sentence he got (in other words, it should've been shorter). I might almost be inclined to agree on account of the myriad of other shady figures in Illinois politics, both in his time and today.

[Shofercia]

Well, here in Illinois, our Democratic Governor J.B. Pritzker has reached his 100th day in office, so, of course, he's possibly being investigated by the Feds.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-jb-pritzker-property-tax-appeal-20190424-story.html

[spoiler]

Democratic Gov. J.B. Pritzker’s removal of toilets from an Astor Street mansion to gain a property tax break, a move that gained notoriety during his recent election campaign, is under review by federal prosecutors, WBEZ-FM 91.5 reported Wednesday.

The report, attributed to an unnamed “law enforcement source,” said Pritzker, his wife, M.K., and his brother-in-law, Thomas Muenster, were part of the federal review. The station reported that the review began last October and said there were no signs that any charges were imminent.

A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Chicago would not confirm or deny any investigation of Pritzker.

At an unrelated Chicago news conference, Pritzker said he and his wife had not been contacted by law enforcement and were unaware of any review until WBEZ aired its report.

“Let me be clear that I’m very confident that any review of this matter will show that all the rules were followed,” said Pritzker, who in the past contended the property tax situation was largely a political issue raised by then-Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner’s re-election campaign.

Asked if he was concerned about the matter, Pritzker said: “No concerns at all. As I say ... any review of this will show that all the rules were followed.”

A report from Cook County Inspector General Patrick Blanchard made public in October contended Pritzker’s Astor Street property was improperly classified as uninhabitable in part due to the removal of toilets at the mansion. Blanchard called it a “scheme to defraud” taxpayers.

Blanchard concluded that Pritzker's wife asked a contractor in 2015 to remove the mansion's five toilets to make the home uninhabitable so it could be reassessed at a lower value. M.K. Pritzker's brother and her personal assistant, Christine Lovely, later made "false representations" in sworn affidavits to the assessor about the mansion's condition and when the toilets were removed, Blanchard said.

Following Blanchard’s report, Pritzker repaid the county treasurer’s office more than $330,000 for the value of tax refunds and tax breaks on the property. Pritzker said the repayment was not an acknowledgment of anything improper, but was made to get past an issue he considered distracting to the governor’s campaign.

Pritzker at the time said that “there was nothing new in this report” and that he “abided by the rules” for seeking a reduction in his property assessment.

But Rauner contended Pritzker made the repayment to the county “because you got caught” and said the Democrat had committed “white-collar crime.” Rauner spent millions of dollars in TV ads to attack Pritzker’s character of the issue. One ad declared Pritzker the “porcelain prince of tax avoidance.”

Cook County watchdog says 'scheme to defraud' saved Pritzker $330,000 in property taxes
In his report, issued five weeks before the general election in which Pritzker defeated Rauner, Blanchard included references to the state perjury law and the federal conspiracy and mail fraud statutes, but he stopped short of saying whether he referred the matter to law enforcement. Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx’s office in October said a special investigations unit was reviewing Blanchard’s report. A Foxx spokeswoman on Wednesday said the office “cannot confirm or deny an investigation.”

After the release of Blanchard’s report, Illinois' Republican U.S. House members called for a federal investigation of Pritzker's tax break.

The scope of any federal review was unclear. Pritzker’s campaign had paid the Perkins Coie law firm a total of $1.5 million since he launched his bid for governor, including $465,456 since Jan. 1, state campaign finance records show.

Marc Elias, a Perkins Coie partner who represents the Pritzkers, did not respond to a request for comment.

Cook County Assessor Fritz Kaegi and his predecessor, Joe Berrios, both said on Tuesday they had no knowledge of any federal review.

The WBEZ report comes as Pritzker served his 100th day in office and at a crucial time for the first-term governor’s agenda in Springfield, where lawmakers are scheduled to adjourn at the end of May.

Pritzker is seeking legislative passage of a state constitutional amendment that would ask voters in 2020 to get rid of the state’s flat-rate income tax in favor of a graduated-rate income tax that levies a higher tax on higher incomes.

The tax plan was the theme of Pritzker’s overall agenda as he seeks shorter-term legislative victories by legalizing recreational use of marijuana and sports betting to help balance his proposed budget. He’s also seeking a comprehensive public works improvement plan, which remains under negotiations.

How a potential federal review of Pritzker’s property tax issue would affect efforts in Springfield is uncertain. Democrats have strong veto-proof majorities over Republicans in the state House and Senate, but adverse news about Pritzker could diminish his leverage with more experienced and savvy politicians like veteran House Speaker Michael Madigan.

Republicans, who oppose Pritzker’s income-tax plan, were quick to pounce. A group opposing the graduated-tax plan, Illinois Ideas, urged Pritzker to abandon his proposal. The group is headed by Greg Baise, the former president and CEO of the Illinois Manufacturers’ Association.

Illinois House Republican leader Jim Durkin used the report to criticize Pritzker’s push to change the income-tax structure.

“It was concerning last fall when the inspector general from Cook County made his findings. It’s even more concerning right now. But my humble advice to the governor is that before he asks for more taxes upon Illinois families and employers, he should get his own taxes in order,” Durkin told reporters after speaking to the City Club of Chicago.

“It is concerning as a member of the legislature, particularly in the last month that we have a lot of big issues and this may get involved with some of the issues that we have to get solved,” he said. “But getting back to my original point, this is not a time to start talking about tax increases, particularly when this issue is looming over the governor.”

Basically, and I may have mentioned this last year during the Midterm threads, what happened is that Pritzker decided that he could save property tax money on a mansion that he and his family had in Chicago by removing all the toilets and having it reassessed as unsuitable for habitation. The Cook County Assessor's office has claimed that he ended up saving $330,000 on his tax bill because of this trick, and WBEZ, Chicago's NPR station, is saying that he's now being investigated by the Feds, though the Feds are of course neither confirming nor denying and the County is unaware of this.

This is becoming a bigger issue as Pritzker's been pushing to amend the State Constitution next year to allow a progressive income tax, which is currently not allowed.

So, what do you guys think of this possible bombshell....if this didn't happen every 20 minutes that is?

I'm not surprised, shocked, or even all that disgusted at the move itself, it's actually a brilliant money-saving move objectively speaking. But it does show the kind of people we have in control, and it does show why I make jokes about Soviet Illinois. Watch this space and the news as this develops, and it probably will develop in the coming weeks and months.

[/spoiler]

At least it ain't Florida

[Kowani]

Everyone’s a Republican on tax day.

[The South Falls]

this is some 10mil IQ shit right here.

So if I just cut a sewage pipe or two, and reduce the number of toilets, I could save property tax money?

This man is most likely in deep financial issues, such a desperate solution betrays a man in the throes of fiscal woes.