Marxism-Leninism and "Authoritarian" Socialism is good

[The New California Republic]

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...when have liberal democracies sent people to gulags to either be worked to death or freeze to death during periods of instability?

The Western countries benefit from extracting the wealth from lesser developed countries and so can maintain a good standard of living. Regardless of your type of system people won't revolt if they have a good life.

...and that doesn't have any relevance to what I said.

That being said, you're ignoring how not all liberal democracies benefit from being high up in the tier chain. During the Cold War, the US has had a habit of propping up right-wing dictatorships in places where leftists were gaining ground democratically, despite all their rhetoric of "democracy vs communism." Those right-wing dictatorships also had a habit of purging leftists, though to be fair left-wing dictatorships did the same. But just pointing out that it did happen. Also worth noting that the "liberal-democracies" had plans for purging their left-wing in the case it was necessary.

Whataboutism that doesn't address what I said.

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As opposed to people who live under Authoritarian Socialist regimes who would never dare revolt.

Notice that these revolutions happened after the death of stalin's and Mao's death.

The death of death? The fuck...?

These revolts happened when the new leaders implement new policies. So, They felled to Revisionism.

In most of those cases nobody "felled" (sic), the revolts were successfully suppressed.

My main criticism of these countries is that they don't have restrictions on ruler policies. I would support a centralize sate that is ruled by a group , a group that purges all possible revisons in state.

Word salad.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

"Opened in 1852, the Devil's Island system received convicts deported from all parts of the Second French Empire, and was infamous for its harsh treatment of detainees, with a death rate of 75% at their worst, until it was closed down in 1953."
"Liberal democracy"
"In 1938, the French government stopped sending prisoners to Devil's Island. In 1953, the prison system was finally closed entirely. Most of the prisoners at the time returned to metropolitan France, although some chose to remain in French Guiana."
Were the Gulags permanently closed down and all prisoners retroactively pardoned at any point during the USSR's history asides from Gorby?

That doesn't debunk my claim. The Third French Republic was started in 1870, so there were enough years of a democracy sending people into a Penal colony.

also the Gulag ended in January 25, 1960. here's sources------------->https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag#After_World_War_II

"The Gulag institution was closed by the MVD order No 020 of January 25, 1960[35] but forced labor colonies for political and criminal prisoners continued to exist. Political prisoners continued to be kept in one of the most famous camps Perm-36[71] until 1987 when it was closed.[72] (See also Foreign forced labor in the Soviet Union.)

The Russian penal system, despite reforms and a reduction in prison population, informally or formally continues many practices endemic to the Gulag system, including forced labor, inmates policing inmates, and prisoner intimidation.[73]

In the late 2000s, some human rights activists accused authorities of gradual removal of Gulag remembrance from places such as Perm-36 and Solovki prison camp.[74]"
Ended my ass.

[The New California Republic]

also the Gulag ended in January 25, 1960. here's sources------------->https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag#After_World_War_II

From your source:

but forced labor colonies for political and criminal prisoners continued to exist. Political prisoners continued to be kept in one of the most famous camps Perm-36 until 1987 when it was closed.

[Communal concils]

this post=edgy 13 year old commie saying that stalin did nothing wrong+socialism best because memes.

Memes don't help your arguments.

[Heloin]

As opposed to people who live under Authoritarian Socialist regimes who would never dare revolt.

Notice that these revolutions happened after the death of stalin's and Mao's death. These revolts happened when the new leaders implement new policies. So, They felled to Revisionism. My main criticism of these countries is that they don't have restrictions on ruler policies. I would support a centralize sate that is ruled by a group , a group that purges all possible revisons in state.

If you tell a populace that you won't be indiscriminately murdering them in the middle of the night anymore and they still revolt, the problem probably wasn't that you stopped killing people.

So you want the Derg from Ethiopia, which seems to be exactly the kind of government you'd want.

[Socialist Workers Combine]

This is one of CC’s better threads but he’s still an authoritarian fetishists more than a ML.
Which I need to study more too of course.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

also the Gulag ended in January 25, 1960. here's sources------------->https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag#After_World_War_II

From your source:

but forced labor colonies for political and criminal prisoners continued to exist. Political prisoners continued to be kept in one of the most famous camps Perm-36 until 1987 when it was closed.

Uhhh, I think you've just got ninja'd by me earlier.

[Grenartia]

As opposed to people who live under Authoritarian Socialist regimes who would never dare revolt.

Notice that these revolutions happened after the death of stalin's and Mao's death. These revolts happened when the new leaders implement new policies. So, They felled to Revisionism. My main criticism of these countries is that they don't have restrictions on ruler policies. I would support a centralize sate that is ruled by a group , a group that purges all possible revisons in state.

"Revisionism"

Oh my god, fam, you're like a walking stereotype!

For all their shouting of "REVISIONISTS!", the biggest revisionists in all of leftism are tankies.

[The New California Republic]

Uhhh, I think you've just got ninja'd by me earlier.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

Notice that these revolutions happened after the death of stalin's and Mao's death. These revolts happened when the new leaders implement new policies. So, They felled to Revisionism. My main criticism of these countries is that they don't have restrictions on ruler policies. I would support a centralize sate that is ruled by a group , a group that purges all possible revisons in state.

"Revisionism"

Oh my god, fam, you're like a walking stereotype!

For all their shouting of "REVISIONISTS!", the biggest revisionists in all of leftism are tankies.

If being a socialist who actually cares about the people's voice, their needs, their wellbeing, and most importantly, the right not to have a brutal autocrat and middle-eastern despot abuse them makes me a "revisionist", then I am a proud revisionist. Fight me.

[Scomagia]

The Western countries benefit from extracting the wealth from lesser developed countries and so can maintain a good standard of living. Regardless of your type of system people won't revolt if they have a good life.

...and that doesn't have any relevance to what I said.

That being said, you're ignoring how not all liberal democracies benefit from being high up in the tier chain. During the Cold War, the US has had a habit of propping up right-wing dictatorships in places where leftists were gaining ground democratically, despite all their rhetoric of "democracy vs communism." Those right-wing dictatorships also had a habit of purging leftists, though to be fair left-wing dictatorships did the same. But just pointing out that it did happen. Also worth noting that the "liberal-democracies" had plans for purging their left-wing in the case it was necessary.

Whataboutism that doesn't address what I said.

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Notice that these revolutions happened after the death of stalin's and Mao's death.

The death of death? The fuck...?

These revolts happened when the new leaders implement new policies. So, They felled to Revisionism.

In most of those cases nobody "felled" (sic), the revolts were successfully suppressed.

My main criticism of these countries is that they don't have restrictions on ruler policies. I would support a centralize sate that is ruled by a group , a group that purges all possible revisons in state.

Word salad.

Under Communism, even death will die in the gulag.

[Socialist Workers Combine]

The USSR fell. We can try to revise the formula or come up with something better, but there is no point in arguing for the same thing. This is not 1917.

[Grenartia]

That doesn't debunk my claim. The Third French Republic was started in 1870, so there were enough years of a democracy sending people into a Penal colony.

also the Gulag ended in January 25, 1960. here's sources------------->https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag#After_World_War_II

"The Gulag institution was closed by the MVD order No 020 of January 25, 1960[35] but forced labor colonies for political and criminal prisoners continued to exist. Political prisoners continued to be kept in one of the most famous camps Perm-36[71] until 1987 when it was closed.[72] (See also Foreign forced labor in the Soviet Union.)

The Russian penal system, despite reforms and a reduction in prison population, informally or formally continues many practices endemic to the Gulag system, including forced labor, inmates policing inmates, and prisoner intimidation.[73]

In the late 2000s, some human rights activists accused authorities of gradual removal of Gulag remembrance from places such as Perm-36 and Solovki prison camp.[74]"
Ended my ass.

Its also worth noting that it was during this point that the USSR began labelling dissenters as "mentally insane", thus producing this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... viet_Union

[Heloin]

...and that doesn't have any relevance to what I said.


Whataboutism that doesn't address what I said.

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The death of death? The fuck...?


In most of those cases nobody "felled" (sic), the revolts were successfully suppressed.


Word salad.

Under Communism, even death will die in the gulag.

There is no crime in paradise.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

...and that doesn't have any relevance to what I said.


Whataboutism that doesn't address what I said.

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The death of death? The fuck...?


In most of those cases nobody "felled" (sic), the revolts were successfully suppressed.


Word salad.

Under Communism, even death will die in the gulag.

Let's switch to islamig gommunism then!

[Grenartia]

"Revisionism"

Oh my god, fam, you're like a walking stereotype!

For all their shouting of "REVISIONISTS!", the biggest revisionists in all of leftism are tankies.

If being a socialist who actually cares about the people's voice, their needs, their wellbeing, and most importantly, the right not to have a brutal autocrat and middle-eastern despot abuse them makes me a "revisionist", then I am a proud revisionist. Fight me.

U N I R O N I C R E V I S I O N I S M

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

If being a socialist who actually cares about the people's voice, their needs, their wellbeing, and most importantly, the right not to have a brutal autocrat and middle-eastern despot abuse them makes me a "revisionist", then I am a proud revisionist. Fight me.

U N I R O N I C R E V I S I O N I S M

M A X I M U M A N D A S C E N D E D R E V I S I O N I S M A N D S O C I A L I S M W I T H
A H U M A N F A C E .

[Beggnig]

...Anarchist Catalonia didn't help the catholic priest(infact it killed them)...

Let's casually ignore the 300,000 Orthodox priests and countless more of the laity martyred in Russia alone. I guess they're just collateral damage to you.
Well, I'm glad to let resentful souls like you try your 'wonderful system' so long as you're the first to be put on your knees in front of a ditch for the glorious revolution.
I'm sure the rest of us will marvel at your courage and become good Communists overnight.

Господи, помилуй.

[Hanafuridake]

Gorbachev was the only decent leader the Soviet Union ever had. Change my mind.

His reforms failed miserably and led to the collapse of the union, which was followed by economic collapse. Sure, such a great leader, at least he brought Pizza Hut over to Russia.

Yes, at least Russians can actually eat now for a change.

[Leninist Haven]

The USSR fell. We can try to revise the formula or come up with something better, but there is no point in arguing for the same thing. This is not 1917.

I would argue that the reason it fell was entirely because of Marxism-Leninism. Marxist-Leninist Mao refused to cooperate with the "Revisionist" Warsaw Pact, as did most if not all Marxist-Leninist leaders in the world of that time. This led the economically outnumbered CMEA (Economic version of Warsaw Pact) to suddenly lack China... Which didn't help matters. Having to match the military of NATO was already crippling it. Marxism-Leninism also wiped out most of the leftwing forces in Spain during its Civil War, so I can't help but say that "revisionism" was the last hope for communism.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

The USSR fell. We can try to revise the formula or come up with something better, but there is no point in arguing for the same thing. This is not 1917.

I would argue that the reason it fell was entirely because of Marxism-Leninism. Marxist-Leninist Mao refused to cooperate with the "Revisionist" Warsaw Pact, as did most if not all Marxist-Leninist leaders in the world of that time. This led the economically outnumbered CMEA (Economic version of Warsaw Pact) to suddenly lack China... Which didn't help matters. Having to match the military of NATO was already crippling it. Marxism-Leninism also wiped out most of the leftwing forces in Spain during its Civil War, so I can't help but say that "revisionism" was the last hope for communism.

Socialism with a human face, as described by Comrade Alexander Dubček (Who was sidelined by Václav Havel and his neolib idiot Klaus after the Civic Forum won), combined with Allende's CYBERSYN, was the only way to save the Soviet cause from completely collapsing, as it did IOTL. Otherwise, it was just delaying the inevitable.

[The New California Republic]

Notice that these revolutions happened after the death of stalin's and Mao's death. These revolts happened when the new leaders implement new policies. So, They felled to Revisionism. My main criticism of these countries is that they don't have restrictions on ruler policies. I would support a centralize sate that is ruled by a group , a group that purges all possible revisons in state.

"Revisionism"

Oh my god, fam, you're like a walking stereotype!

For all their shouting of "REVISIONISTS!", the biggest revisionists in all of leftism are tankies.

Don't interfere. I have an I-Spy book about Tankies, and I am scoring high points from all these stereotypes.

[Arecla]

Yes, at least Russians can actually eat now for a change.

Surely that was the reason that life expectancy fell after the collapse of the USSR?

[The New California Republic]

Yes, at least Russians can actually eat now for a change.

Surely that was the reason that life expectancy fell after the collapse of the USSR?

Not really:

Cardiovascular disease, high infant-mortality rates, infectious diseases, and a decrease in the quality and financing of public health-care systems were the main factors driving the trend, according to an article that appeared last week in "The Lancet," a British medical journal.

https://www.rferl.org/a/life-expectancy ... 46030.html

Nothing about food.

[Leninist Haven]

"Revisionism"

Oh my god, fam, you're like a walking stereotype!

For all their shouting of "REVISIONISTS!", the biggest revisionists in all of leftism are tankies.

Don't interfere. I have an I-Spy book about Tankies, and I am scoring high points from all these stereotypes.

I strongly hesitate to agree with this, with all due respect. I'm generally described as a "tankie" Trotskyist, though I welcome the so-called "revisionists" with open arms. While I hate to use a personal example, Trotskyism isn't united enough for me to speak in general terms.