Free association and the inevitability of Communism

[Socialist Workers Combine]

Take quotas. Microsoft has quotas including of women.
Really anyone qualified should just have a turn doing a job
Through the planned economy

Power should be shared.
In fact we should have more people overqualified for that purpose
To make popular management possible, or management at least broader

Our modern political economic system is like AT&T departments where no one actually has any authority. For socialist economy, we must try to improve education as much as we can with management in mind.

[Petrolheadia]

Take quotas. Microsoft has quotas including of women.

I don't want female or male employees. I want good employees.

Really anyone qualified should just have a turn doing a job

Qualified =/= their job is needed, or would be done that well.

In fact we should have more people overqualified for that purpose
To make popular management possible, or management at least broader

There are only that many people who care. And I think democracy is overrated, and we need to seek alternatives.

[Petrolheadia]

I'm kind of confused. In what way is private interest bound forever to racism? OP never explained this at all, and I'm confused what basis the argument is predicated on.

Partly because it relies on debt from the third world.

No better business than unpain debts, I guess?

[If we really want business not to be racist we’d be interring with it - and ideally ourselves, not just through the medium of the distant state.

If racism really is bad, we should watch it crash and burn in the marketplace of ideas.

The bourgeoisie state, even if prepared to do this to some extent, nonetheless goes off to bomb Libya.

Gaddafi. You know that guy?

[Hiroko Marsden]

1. Communism is not inevitable, it failed three decades ago and when it was around, everyone was trying to get away from it, especially the leftover countries now
2. Communism does not work (see above)

Just my thoughts, although wasn't there something about Spongebob and Communism before? Very weird

[Socialist Workers Combine]

Qualified =/= their job is needed, or would be done that well.

It doesn’t matter if it’s needed you’re doing a variety of shit for personal enjoyment and class power.

There are only that many people who care. And I think democracy is overrated, and we need to seek alternatives.

Democracy in this sense is a broad term. I suggested training people in management.

[Socialist Workers Combine]

If racism really is bad, we should watch it crash and burn in the marketplace of ideas.

Ideas are a reflection of class structure.

[Petrolheadia]

Qualified =/= their job is needed, or would be done that well.

It doesn’t matter if it’s needed you’re doing a variety of shit for personal enjoyment and class power.

Why should I care about class power? Why the assumption that my enjoyment activities are valuable to society?

There are only that many people who care. And I think democracy is overrated, and we need to seek alternatives.

Democracy in this sense is a broad term. I suggested training people in management.

We can train them, but most of them still would not be good enough to touch any ballot with a ten-foot pole.

[Petrolheadia]

If racism really is bad, we should watch it crash and burn in the marketplace of ideas.

Ideas are a reflection of class structure.

What?

[Socialist Workers Combine]

Ideas are a reflection of class structure.

What?

Ideas are a reflection of the dominant ideology, which is a reflection of class structure.
Notice your use of the term market.

[Socialist Workers Combine]

We can train them, but most of them still would not be good enough to touch any ballot with a ten-foot pole.

I think you’d need a source for that.

[Hiroko Marsden]

The class structure exists because capitalism works

[Socialist Workers Combine]

The class structure exists because capitalism works

Cancer exists because cancer works

[Shanhwa]

The class structure exists because capitalism works

Cancer exists because cancer works

But communism doesn’t.

[Hiroko Marsden]

The class structure exists because capitalism works

Cancer exists because cancer works

Can you name one successful Communist economy? Anyone? Communism and economies do not mix.

[Socialist Workers Combine]

But communism doesn’t.

Stalinism was good at capital accumulation and usage towards industrial expansion.
I don’t suggest we repeat it as it is not 1930

[Socialist Workers Combine]

Can you name one successful Communist economy? Anyone? Communism and economies do not mix.

No, because communism is a classless stateless society.
If you would like an example a socialist company try Mondragon.
The most recent example of Socialism is in Syria/Kurdistan.

[Bear Stearns]

Can you name one successful Communist economy? Anyone? Communism and economies do not mix.

No, because communism is a classless stateless society.
If you would like an example a socialist company try Mondragon.
The most recent example of Socialism is in Syria/Kurdistan.

Lovely.

[The Polish Secret State]

Socialist Workers Combine back at it again dropping CommiePills on the moderates, feed me more commie-papi

[Hiroko Marsden]

Can you name one successful Communist economy? Anyone? Communism and economies do not mix.

No, because communism is a classless stateless society.
If you would like an example a socialist company try Mondragon.
The most recent example of Socialism is in Syria/Kurdistan.

Yes and Syria/Kurdistan are fine places to live, why else would people be dying to leave there and fleeing to dirty capitalist nations in Europe and North America? Have you ever been to Cuba? North Korea?

[Socialist Workers Combine]

Have you ever been to Cuba? North Korea?

You seem be to be asking me if I have ever been embargoed. I have never been embargoed.

[Hiroko Marsden]

Have you ever been to Cuba? North Korea?

You seem be to be asking me if I have ever been embargoed. I have never been embargoed.

Alas, the poor struggle of the leaders of Cuba and North Korea as they refuse to open up their economy and lessen restrictions on their people.

[Socialist Workers Combine]

Alas, the poor struggle of the leaders of Cuba and North Korea as they refuse to open up their economy and lessen restrictions on their people.

Yes, it couldn’t be that Cuba is embargoed. I seem to remember Trump meeting NK maybe they’ll fare better.

[GlobalControl]

My bad I suppose.

Romans were not really one specific group and at their height encompassed many ethnicities. I'm not really sure what you mean by 'ethnic boundaries'.

Their culture was Greek given the colonies in Italy for instance but I don’t remember the specific ethnicities of the founders of Rome. They were obviously not the same as the Celts they later conquered, or Carthage. The Chinese incorporated a variety of ethnicities but we’re more an empire than a nation, and before they had negative experiences with conquerors (they liked the Zhou) they had no real concern for the racial identity of who rule China.

Point being, the nation state is not an eternal entity. It is a product of historical circumstances. It is a modern phenomenon but it will likely not be here forever, and it baffles me that some think it will be.

It baffles me that you seem to think that it'll lead to communist world order and that some form of cultural identity will not persist in the future anyway.
That isn't how humans work and if you ever bothered to critically examine history you'd see it. Nations do not last forever, such is true - The United States of America may one day and likely will one day go the way of many others and Dissolve or be annexed. However, that does not mean the nation state is going to cease being a concept entirely, and to think nor imply such is blatantly ignorant of reality.

[Petrolheadia]

Socialist Workers Combine back at it again dropping CommiePills on the moderates, feed me more commie-papi

If she's convincing, then I'm Bob Dylan.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Their culture was Greek given the colonies in Italy.

The Roman's were Greek? Fucking....what?

Socialist Workers Combine back at it again dropping CommiePills on the moderates, feed me more commie-papi

If she's convincing, then I'm Bob Dylan.

If anything these threads have only convinced me further and further away from communism and have reinforced my already held stance on it.