Explosions at churches and hotels in Sri Lanka

[Samudera Darussalam]

Yup and as it turns out they were from the religion of piss... whoops, peace. Meaning the fighting yesterday was completely pointless and proof that Muslims are a threat to Christianity and a dangerous ideology.
Ps! I don’t give a flying fridge if I get banned.

wtf
Are you seriously trying to test the limits of the rules, ie. are you trying to get warned?

Ahmadiyya and other peaceful Muslims would like to disagree with you.

Seconded

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Now for the love of God almighty, can we please get back on track?

Astoria, please, let him be. I used to have the temptations to reply back to him, but then I realized that this is not the right place.

Havarland, I'm truly sorry for the bad experiences that you have with one of the people that identify themselves as Muslims prior to this occasion, but please don't lump us into one.

[Guelder]

I don't think God would be very happy that you judge others mate

God doesn't exist.

Yes he does

[Astoriya]

Astoria, please, let him be. I used to have the temptations to reply back to him, but then I realized that this is not the right place.

I'm just trying to get the discussion back on track, lest the mods lock it.

[Havarland]

God doesn't exist.

Yes he does

So do Santa and Snow White then.

[Marxist Germany]

Let's be honest here, this was an act of genocide.

[Guelder]

Yes he does

So do Santa and Snow White then.

Everyone is entitled to their own religion. Now let's get back on track

[Guelder]

Let's be honest here, this was an act of genocide.

I won't call it a genocide, which is a mass murder of a group of people by the army

[Marxist Germany]

Let's be honest here, this was an act of genocide.

I won't call it a genocide, which is a mass murder of a group of people by the army

That's what genocide is, it was on a smaller scale however.

[Guelder]

I won't call it a genocide, which is a mass murder of a group of people by the army

That's what genocide is, it was on a smaller scale however.

This was pretty much a terrorist attack rather than a genocide to me

[Vassenor]

Let's be honest here, this was an act of genocide.

So what ethnic group was this a targeted state-sponsored attempt to destroy?

Unless you're suggesting that all the stuff about Islamist motives was a lie concocted by the government as a false flag.

[Neutraligon]

Yup and as it turns out they were from the religion of piss... whoops, peace. Meaning the fighting yesterday was completely pointless and proof that Muslims are a threat to Christianity and a dangerous ideology.
Ps! I don’t give a flying fridge if I get banned.

*** Then I will oblige due to history and this you get a 1 day ban ***

[Jolthig]

Let's be honest here, this was an act of genocide.

Genocides tend to be carried out over a period of time.

One day isn't enough to be considered genocide.

[Astoriya]

I won't call it a genocide, which is a mass murder of a group of people by the army

That's what genocide is, it was on a smaller scale however.

A massacre would be more appropriate.
genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious or national group (cf. the Holocaust, the Turkish genocide of Armenians, and the primarily Hutu devastation on Tutsis in Rwanda)
It seems to me that the attacks were deliberately placed at major tourist hotspots, so calling the cold-blooded murder of many foreigners & locals indiscriminately wouldn't fall under genocide, in my opinion.

[Hirota]

I used to be full refugee supporter and I have tried to be nice towards everyone, but ever since I've had bad experiences (I was threatened to be killed because I have an earring) by a Muslim guy etc… There are so many issues with them and a few days ago I got jumped by bunch of Muslims who told me to leave my country (in Northern Europe, by the way) because it belongs to muslims only and that islam will take over the world soon. What happened in Sri Lanka was certainly by Muslims and I believe the government, since they've arrested so many people already. ISIS has done so many awful things and killed Christians and they were muslims too.
So please show me, what are peaceful Muslims like and where can I find them? I mean men, not women.

Obviously your bad experiences are unfortunate and nobody should be threatened like that by other people. But what you've described isn't a unique attribute to Islam. Consider the lynch mobs of the late 1800's and the early 1900's in the US. People do horible things for stupid reasons - because their particular imaginary sky friend tells them to, or because of an intolerance of someone different to them.

And what you are doing in response isn't unique either. People will act differently in victimhood - it's the old fight or flight response hard coded into human beings. But this reaction, whilst hard coded, is flawed and leads people to irrational decisions. Most Muslims, like most white people, like most people in any demographic you can think of are perfectly decent and peaceful. Don't tar them all by your bad experiences.

[Jolthig]

I used to be full refugee supporter and I have tried to be nice towards everyone, but ever since I've had bad experiences (I was threatened to be killed because I have an earring) by a Muslim guy etc… There are so many issues with them and a few days ago I got jumped by bunch of Muslims who told me to leave my country (in Northern Europe, by the way) because it belongs to muslims only and that islam will take over the world soon. What happened in Sri Lanka was certainly by Muslims and I believe the government, since they've arrested so many people already. ISIS has done so many awful things and killed Christians and they were muslims too.
So please show me, what are peaceful Muslims like and where can I find them? I mean men, not women.

Obviously your bad experiences are unfortunate and nobody should be threatened like that by other people. But what you've described isn't a unique attribute to Islam. Consider the lynch mobs of the late 1800's and the early 1900's in the US. People do horible things for stupid reasons - because their particular imaginary sky friend tells them to, or because of an intolerance of someone different to them.

And what you are doing in response isn't unique either. People will act differently in victimhood - it's the old fight or flight response hard coded into human beings. But this reaction, whilst hard coded, is flawed and leads people to irrational decisions. Most Muslims, like most white people, like most people in any demographic you can think of are perfectly decent and peaceful. Don't tar them all by your bad experiences.

This.

[Kragholm Free States]

Let's be honest here, this was an act of genocide.

So what ethnic group was this a targeted state-sponsored attempt to destroy?

Unless you're suggesting that all the stuff about Islamist motives was a lie concocted by the government as a false flag.

The United Nations' definiton of genocide does not mention that it must be state-sponsored, and does not limit it to targeting ethnic groups, also including national or religious groups.

So, presumably, given that these attacks were primarily directed at churches on Easter Sunday, it was an attempt to destroy Christians. Now, I wouldn't necessarily agree that this was genocide, simply because genocides tend to be on a far larger scale than even this attack. But I certainly see where MG is coming from.

Don't invent arbitrarily narrow definitions of a term to exclude anything your favourite "oppressed minorities" do from it. It's intellectually dishonest and blatantly obvious.

[Vassenor]

So what ethnic group was this a targeted state-sponsored attempt to destroy?

Unless you're suggesting that all the stuff about Islamist motives was a lie concocted by the government as a false flag.

The United Nations' definiton of genocide does not mention that it must be state-sponsored, and does not limit it to targeting ethnic groups, also including national or religious groups.

So, presumably, given that these attacks were primarily directed at churches on Easter Sunday, it was an attempt to destroy Christians. Now, I wouldn't necessarily agree that this was genocide, simply because genocides tend to be on a far larger scale than even this attack. But I certainly see where MG is coming from.

Don't invent arbitrarily narrow definitions of a term to exclude anything your favourite "oppressed minorities" do from it. It's intellectually dishonest and blatantly obvious.

So what is the evidence that this was intended to destroy Christianity?

And I'm not the one who came up with that definition.

Genocide is the deliberate destruction, in whole or in part, by a government or its agents, of a racial, sexual, religious, tribal or political minority. It can involve not only mass murder, but also starvation, forced deportation, and political, economic and biological subjugation. Genocide involves three major components: ideology, technology, and bureaucracy/organization.

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Genocide is the deliberate, organized destruction, in whole or in large part, of racial or ethnic groups by a government or its agents. It can involve not only mass murder, but also forced deportation (ethnic cleansing), systematic rape, and economic and biological subjugation. (Genocide and the Modern Age: Etiology and Case Studies of Mass Death. Syracuse, NY: Syracuse University Press, 2000. Reissue of an early work.)

[...]

Genocide occurs when a state, perceiving the integrity of its agenda to be threatened by an aggregate population—defined by the state as an organic collectivity, or series of collectivities—seeks to remedy the situation by the systematic, en masse physical elimination of that aggregate, in toto, or until it is no longer perceived to represent a threat.

[Kragholm Free States]

The United Nations' definiton of genocide does not mention that it must be state-sponsored, and does not limit it to targeting ethnic groups, also including national or religious groups.

So, presumably, given that these attacks were primarily directed at churches on Easter Sunday, it was an attempt to destroy Christians. Now, I wouldn't necessarily agree that this was genocide, simply because genocides tend to be on a far larger scale than even this attack. But I certainly see where MG is coming from.

Don't invent arbitrarily narrow definitions of a term to exclude anything your favourite "oppressed minorities" do from it. It's intellectually dishonest and blatantly obvious.

So what is the evidence that this was intended to destroy Christianity?

What other motive would someone have for blowing up a bunch of churches on the most important day in the Christian calendar, a day when those churches were pretty much guaranteed to be full of Christians? You are being deliberately obtuse.

[Marxist Germany]

The United Nations' definiton of genocide does not mention that it must be state-sponsored, and does not limit it to targeting ethnic groups, also including national or religious groups.

So, presumably, given that these attacks were primarily directed at churches on Easter Sunday, it was an attempt to destroy Christians. Now, I wouldn't necessarily agree that this was genocide, simply because genocides tend to be on a far larger scale than even this attack. But I certainly see where MG is coming from.

Don't invent arbitrarily narrow definitions of a term to exclude anything your favourite "oppressed minorities" do from it. It's intellectually dishonest and blatantly obvious.

So what is the evidence that this was intended to destroy Christianity?

Attacking churches?

[Vassenor]

So what is the evidence that this was intended to destroy Christianity?

What other motive would someone have for blowing up a bunch of churches on the most important day in the Christian calendar, a day when those churches were pretty much guaranteed to be full of Christians? You are being deliberately obtuse.

Political Separatism. Use of a convenient soft target.

[Kragholm Free States]

What other motive would someone have for blowing up a bunch of churches on the most important day in the Christian calendar, a day when those churches were pretty much guaranteed to be full of Christians? You are being deliberately obtuse.

Political Separatism. Use of a convenient soft target.

Why have no political separatist groups come forward to claim this attack then? Why is Sri Lanka blaming it on National Thowheeth Jama’ath, an Islamist group? Why would political separatists choose this particular "convenient soft target"? Why would they not choose a political target?

How many more times will Muslims follow the advice of their own holy book to 'kill the unbelievers wherever they find them' before you acknowledge it as a problem, and stop desperately trying to make excuses and blame everyone except Muslims?

[Vassenor]

Political Separatism. Use of a convenient soft target.

Why have no political separatist groups come forward to claim this attack then? Why is Sri Lanka blaming it on National Thowheeth Jama’ath, an Islamist group? Why would political separatists choose this particular "convenient soft target"? Why would they not choose a political target?

Why has the Islamist group not come forward to claim it?

[Kragholm Free States]

Why have no political separatist groups come forward to claim this attack then? Why is Sri Lanka blaming it on National Thowheeth Jama’ath, an Islamist group? Why would political separatists choose this particular "convenient soft target"? Why would they not choose a political target?

Why has the Islamist group not come forward to claim it?

Perhaps they want to avoid reprisals so they can do it again. And again. And again. And for as long as they don't proudly shout "It was us! We killed them!", people like you will absolve them of any wrongdoing, and turn a blind eye to their atrocities, as always.

And if they do come forward, don't pretend you won't just brush the whole affair under the rug.

[Astoriya]

How many more times will Muslims follow the advice of their own holy book to 'kill the unbelievers wherever they find them' before you acknowledge it as a problem, and stop desperately trying to make excuses and blame everyone except Muslims?

By carrying out these horrific actions, they are not "following the advice of their holy book", and more accurately have their heads up their arses, politely speaking - unless you can bring out some sources.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

How many more times will Muslims follow the advice of their own holy book to 'kill the unbelievers wherever they find them' before you acknowledge it as a problem, and stop desperately trying to make excuses and blame everyone except Muslims?

By carrying out these horrific actions, they are not "following the advice of their holy book", and more accurately have their heads up their arses, politely speaking - unless you can bring out some sources.

I source the Quran.

Kill them wherever you find them. Fight them until there is no more unbelief and worship is for Allah alone (Quran 2:191-193).

Edit: I do want to say that 99% Muslims are enlightened enough to know but this is not applicable to the modern era. Only people with heads truly up their asses would actually do these things. so in that we are in agreement however their holy book does indeed say these things repeatedly. By some counts murdering unbelievers is written in the Quran over a hundred times.