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Postby Telconi » Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:35 am

Major-Tom wrote:if
Purpelia wrote:They give England a certain flare I guess. Makes them look special and all that. Plus I imagine they are a good draw for tourists and such. And a source of scandal from time to time I would imagine. And should one day the British people realize democracy is a failed experiment they have something to fall back on. So that's a bonus.


Democracy is great, I mean, c'mon. Has a fair share of intrinsic issues, but we should fight to preserve democracy as hard as we can. Figured I'd address that little addendum you added to your post there.

As for the "flare," s'pose I agree. I mean, it's pointless, yeah? Not harmful, not a huge issue, but nothing of substance either. The UK could likely do fine with or without the Queen and the entirety of the Royal Family, really they're a relic, and if the UK feels that relic is worth maintaining, then that's just fine, I couldn't care less. As a Yank, I quite clearly have more pressing issues to stress over.


I mean. While largely delegated away, the monarch does have a great deal of power within the UK's system of government, it really cannot function without her unless you re-wrote a lot of laws.

Having said that, Happy Birthday Elizabeth.
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Postby Minzerland II » Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:44 am

Happy birthday to Her Majesty and God save her!
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:45 am

Well good for her, hope she gets the gameboy she wants.
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Postby Cetacea » Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:59 am

Nismon wrote:Wonder if she'd make 100.


if the Queen reaches 100 who sends her a telegram?

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:06 am

Cetacea wrote:
Nismon wrote:Wonder if she'd make 100.


if the Queen reaches 100 who sends her a telegram?

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Postby Gudmund » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:06 am

I still find it weird how Australia shares the same royalty as England, good for her though.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:31 am

God Save the Queen, and a very happy birthday!

Once Charles inherits the throne, I think our constitutional monarchy will be over.

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Postby Nimzonia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:37 am

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:God Save the Queen, and a very happy birthday!

Once Charles inherits the throne, I think our constitutional monarchy will be over.


I hope not. The alternative is President Boris.

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Jack Thomas Lang wrote:God Save the Queen, and a very happy birthday!

Once Charles inherits the throne, I think our constitutional monarchy will be over.

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Postby Bruke » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:15 am

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:God Save the Queen, and a very happy birthday!

Once Charles inherits the throne, I think our constitutional monarchy will be over.


Asking as an American: I never really understand why Charles is so despised (at least among enough Brits to make comments like above possible); if he's king perhaps he'll be able to "redeem himself" in the eyes of the public?

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Bruke wrote:Asking as an American: I never really understand why Charles is so despised (at least among enough Brits to make comments like above possible); if he's king perhaps he'll be able to "redeem himself" in the eyes of the public?

For his treatment of Diana (although I think she wasn't quite the victim as portrayed by the media) but also because he's a wet fish. The day of unquestioning loyalty to the Crown is long over, and unless the monarch is charismatic, kind or a do-gooder, Australians don't particularly care for it. We'll see to what extent if another referendum is carried out.

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Postby Minzerland II » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:25 am

Bruke wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:God Save the Queen, and a very happy birthday!

Once Charles inherits the throne, I think our constitutional monarchy will be over.


Asking as an American: I never really understand why Charles is so despised (at least among enough Brits to make comments like above possible); if he's king perhaps he'll be able to "redeem himself" in the eyes of the public?

He does things and because he and Diana didn’t treat each other kindly.
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Postby Bruke » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:26 am

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Bruke wrote:Asking as an American: I never really understand why Charles is so despised (at least among enough Brits to make comments like above possible); if he's king perhaps he'll be able to "redeem himself" in the eyes of the public?

For his treatment of Diana (although I think she wasn't quite the victim as portrayed by the media) but also because he's a wet fish. The day of unquestioning loyalty to the Crown is long over, and unless the monarch is charismatic, kind or a do-gooder, Australians don't particularly care for it. We'll see to what extent if another referendum is carried out.


Ah. I mean the Diana bit I kinda knew already, though that second bit is intriguing. To simultaneously be on AND off topic, what makes for a good monarch (for Britain and the Commonwealth specifically)?

Cannot be "age brings experience", otherwise one could make an argument for Charles even though Queen Elizabeth is more than loved and effective enough for the both of them.

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Postby Risottia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:32 am

Major-Tom wrote:God save the Queen, etc etc, fuck I don't know. I mean, she's probably a fine gal, probably sweet as can be, I just don't see the purpose in the royal family.

The purpose would be not having, dunno, mr.Farage as President of Great Britain.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:34 am

Bruke wrote:Ah. I mean the Diana bit I kinda knew already, though that second bit is intriguing. To simultaneously be on AND off topic, what makes for a good monarch (for Britain and the Commonwealth specifically)?

Cannot be "age brings experience", otherwise one could make an argument for Charles even though Queen Elizabeth is more than loved and effective enough for the both of them.

The Queen is fortunate in that she's riding a wave of affection from older folks dating back to the 50's and earlier. Likewise she's admired for her service during WW2, and was generally quite a moderate Queen that stayed out of politics. I could mention the '75 Constitutional Crisis in Australia, but that was more so Prince Charles and Governor-General Kerr than the Queen, and I don't know enough about it to give a good overview.

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Postby The Brytish Isles » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:37 am

Happy birthday to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. God save the Queen. Long may she reign.
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Postby Nimzonia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:41 am

Bruke wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:God Save the Queen, and a very happy birthday!

Once Charles inherits the throne, I think our constitutional monarchy will be over.


Asking as an American: I never really understand why Charles is so despised (at least among enough Brits to make comments like above possible); if he's king perhaps he'll be able to "redeem himself" in the eyes of the public?


The problem with Charles is that he is opinionated and outspoken and likes to meddle in things. The main reason Elizabeth II has been so successful at maintaning the popularity of the monarchy, is that she keeps her mouth shut and we pretty much have no idea what she thinks about anything.

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Postby Purpelia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:43 am

Major-Tom wrote:Democracy is great, I mean, c'mon. Has a fair share of intrinsic issues, but we should fight to preserve democracy as hard as we can. Figured I'd address that little addendum you added to your post there.

I ain't saying it is or isn't. All I am saying is that should the english people ever come to the conclusion that it ain't and they decide on a change they have her as a backup plan. Which frankly isn't that worse than the other ways that scenario typically plays out.

As for the "flare," s'pose I agree. I mean, it's pointless, yeah? Not harmful, not a huge issue, but nothing of substance either. The UK could likely do fine with or without the Queen and the entirety of the Royal Family, really they're a relic, and if the UK feels that relic is worth maintaining, then that's just fine, I couldn't care less. As a Yank, I quite clearly have more pressing issues to stress over.

My thoughts exactly. It makes them feel good and we can analyze why it does this but ultimately if its their thing and they like it go for it. Not hurting me.
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Postby Bruke » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:47 am

Nimzonia wrote:
Bruke wrote:
Asking as an American: I never really understand why Charles is so despised (at least among enough Brits to make comments like above possible); if he's king perhaps he'll be able to "redeem himself" in the eyes of the public?


The problem with Charles is that he is opinionated and outspoken and likes to meddle in things. The main reason Elizabeth II has been so successful at maintaning the popularity of the monarchy, is that she keeps her mouth shut and we pretty much have no idea what she thinks about anything.


Looking over the black spider memos incident now... ooo boy.... also he's apparently sent to Saudi to help sell weapons?..... that's pretty eh... morally grey there. At the least.

Good thing the Queen doesn't have any secret memos stashed away with opinionated opinions.... not that she would do such a thing in the first place.

Makes me wonder how political Prince William would get when he takes the throne, but that's another matter.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:47 am

Good for her, but it doesn't matter to me because my country left the fold on 1776.
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Postby Temporarrium » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:54 am

I consider her my queen too. Ignore the fact that I don't live in the UK or in a Commonwealth territory.
Happy birthday to her!

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Purpelia wrote:They give England a certain flare I guess. Makes them look special and all that. Plus I imagine they are a good draw for tourists and such. And a source of scandal from time to time I would imagine. And should one day the British people realize democracy is a failed experiment they have something to fall back on. So that's a bonus.


Democracy is great, I mean, c'mon. Has a fair share of intrinsic issues, but we should fight to preserve democracy as hard as we can. Figured I'd address that little addendum you added to your post there.

As for the "flare," s'pose I agree. I mean, it's pointless, yeah? Not harmful, not a huge issue, but nothing of substance either. The UK could likely do fine with or without the Queen and the entirety of the Royal Family, really they're a relic, and if the UK feels that relic is worth maintaining, then that's just fine, I couldn't care less. As a Yank, I quite clearly have more pressing issues to stress over.

This isn't really an issue. Just saying.
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:57 am

Alright. Either she's enjoying her last years, or she's a lizard who will live till 250!


Happy Birthday to her!
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