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Postby Hanchu » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:55 am

Heloin wrote:First Reich, Roman Empire(debatable, European/Near East country's liked claiming to be the heirs of Rome)
Second Reich, Francia
Third Reich, Germany(Kingdom of)
Forth Reich, Holy Roman Empire
Fifth Reich, Germany(Imperial)
Sixth Reich, Germany(Nazi)
Seventh Reich, (tbd)

Germany? The heir of rome? :rofl:
Get real the USA is more the heir of Rome than Germany can hope to be.
The German Reichs are in order. Holy Roman Empire, The German Empire, and the Nazi Empire, all of them were destroyed by war. So if the EU is the fourth reich its going to be destroyed by war

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Postby Kanadorika » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:11 pm

I think the Habsburgs need to reclaim the throne so that Austria can once again be the superior German state. Re unify with Hungary, and you'll give the EU a run for their money. 8)
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:36 pm

It fascinates me how fluid the concept of "the superior white race" is.

First it was only Aryans from India, then it was blonde haired blue eyed Germans, then it was the Norse, then it was anybody who is white, and now it's going to be The European Union of Superior White Races, and BRITAIN ISN'T GOING TO BE ONE OF THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SEPARATIST RACE TRAITOR SCUM.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:41 pm

Kanadorika wrote:I think the Habsburgs need to reclaim the throne so that Austria can once again be the superior German state. Re unify with Hungary, and you'll give the EU a run for their money. 8)


Do you want a comeback of the Habsburg chin into European DNAs? Say it isn’t so!

As for the OP: EU run by Germany? That may have been more palpable a few years ago. As it stands, Germany’s “reign” is in jeopardy. Economically they’re dangling a bit.
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Postby Slotted Floppies » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:58 pm

People always get confused thinking that the German reichs have to be based in Germany.

It doesn’t and that’s why China is the real forth Reich.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:08 pm

Hanchu wrote:
Heloin wrote:First Reich, Roman Empire(debatable, European/Near East country's liked claiming to be the heirs of Rome)
Second Reich, Francia
Third Reich, Germany(Kingdom of)
Forth Reich, Holy Roman Empire
Fifth Reich, Germany(Imperial)
Sixth Reich, Germany(Nazi)
Seventh Reich, (tbd)

Germany? The heir of rome? :rofl:
Get real the USA is more the heir of Rome than Germany can hope to be.
The German Reichs are in order. Holy Roman Empire, The German Empire, and the Nazi Empire, all of them were destroyed by war. So if the EU is the fourth reich its going to be destroyed by war

As I said, European/Near East country's liked claiming to be the heirs of Rome.

If you just want Reich to mean "German Sort of Empire in Europe" then the Frankish Empire and the Kingdom of Germany would have to be counted.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:26 pm

I confess that there is something odd about a 'Fourth Reich' founded by de Gaulle and pushed against German resistance by Mitterand and Macron.

Eh. Probably just anglophone retardation.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:27 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:I confess that there is something odd about a 'Fourth Reich' founded by de Gaulle and pushed against German resistance by Macron.

Eh. Probably just anglophone retardation.


Nah, DEFINITELY anglophone retardation. Fuck it. 12th Reich, featuring Adele and the Queen of England.
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Postby First American Empire » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:51 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:In that case wouldn't it be the Fifth Reich? What with the Hanseatic League?


IIRC the Hanseatic League and the Holy Roman Empire existed at the same time, but it would still be the Fifth Reich because of the Weimar Republic.


The Weimar Republic is the real Third Reich, and the Nazis are nothing more than imposters who stole the title for themselves because they were embarrassed about actually being the Fourth Reich.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:14 am

Germany has a big population and economy but this doesn't make them the supreme rulers of the EU as some people think. That's eurosceptic language mixed with anti-German sentiment with no basis on reality. France also has a lot of influence in the EU but nobody call them names.

Simply take a look at how the EU takes decisions.

Heloin wrote:First Reich, Roman Empire(debatable, European/Near East country's liked claiming to be the heirs of Rome)
Second Reich, Francia
Third Reich, Germany(Kingdom of)
Forth Reich, Holy Roman Empire
Fifth Reich, Germany(Imperial)
Sixth Reich, Germany(Nazi)
Seventh Reich, (tbd)


There was never a 3rd Reich. Some countries have laid claim, from Nazi Germany and the Russian empire to the Ottoman Empire, but it never came into existence.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:55 am

-Ocelot- wrote:Germany has a big population and economy but this doesn't make them the supreme rulers of the EU as some people think. That's eurosceptic language mixed with anti-German sentiment with no basis on reality. France also has a lot of influence in the EU but nobody call them names.

A brief history of post-war European relations:

France, Italy & Germany: We should have our own nukes
De Gaulle: *comes to power*
De Gaulle: Ah... no. We should have them. You two should fund them.
Italy & Germany: Sure!

Mitterand: The Euro is a great idea.
Kohl: Ah... no.
Mitterand: A really, really great idea.
Kohl: *sighs* Fine...

France: Hm. Greece’s economy is going bust. And our banks hold the majority of those loans. This... is a problem.
France: Hey, Germany!
Germany: Yes?
France: Gib money to Greece so our banks don't collapse.
Germany: ...
France: Oh, also gib money directly to our banks so they donct collapse.
Germany: ...
France: Collapse bad!
Germany: *sighs*

So, yeah...

Fourth Reich.

Of all the delusions, it's the delusionest.

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Postby Aclion » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:04 am

Neanderthaland wrote:In that case wouldn't it be the Fifth Reich? What with the Hanseatic League?

IT would be the third Reich. Hitlers bullshit didn't last long enough to count.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:06 am

-Ocelot- wrote:Germany has a big population and economy but this doesn't make them the supreme rulers of the EU as some people think. That's eurosceptic language mixed with anti-German sentiment with no basis on reality. France also has a lot of influence in the EU but nobody call them names.

Simply take a look at how the EU takes decisions.

Heloin wrote:First Reich, Roman Empire(debatable, European/Near East country's liked claiming to be the heirs of Rome)
Second Reich, Francia
Third Reich, Germany(Kingdom of)
Forth Reich, Holy Roman Empire
Fifth Reich, Germany(Imperial)
Sixth Reich, Germany(Nazi)
Seventh Reich, (tbd)


There was never a 3rd Reich. Some countries have laid claim, from Nazi Germany and the Russian empire to the Ottoman Empire, but it never came into existence.

I now see that I probably should have made it clearer but my post is what some people call a joke. The idea that the EU is a forth Reich is so silly that I'm counting the Roman Empire and then every Imperial German state (sort of, the HRE is weird like that).
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:39 pm

Yes- we must stop the fourth Reich of the EUSSR
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Postby First American Empire » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:21 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Yes- we must stop the fourth Reich of the EUSSR


And on it's ashes, we will create a Fifth Reich that will unite all german-speaking peoples under its banner. It will be called France.

/s
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:41 pm

The only people who call the European Union a fourth Reich are salty people from PIGS who envy the Germanic work ethic and lack of bankruptcy.
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:04 am

Honestly though, considering the European Union to be anything resembling a German Realm is just the epitome of modern ignorance, mixed with some unhealthy, frankly ridiculous discrimination against Germans for something that happened 70 years ago and for which they've been atoning more than any other country has ever had for any atrocity.
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:06 am

First American Empire wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:In that case wouldn't it be the Fifth Reich? What with the Hanseatic League?


IIRC the Hanseatic League and the Holy Roman Empire existed at the same time, but it would still be the Fifth Reich because of the Weimar Republic.


The Weimar Republic is the real Third Reich, and the Nazis are nothing more than imposters who stole the title for themselves because they were embarrassed about actually being the Fourth Reich.

The Weimar Republic and the National Socialist State were all part of the same Reich the Empire was. The Third Reich. The second was the Deutsches Reich of 1848-49 :p
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:39 am

Nazis in Space wrote:
-Ocelot- wrote:Germany has a big population and economy but this doesn't make them the supreme rulers of the EU as some people think. That's eurosceptic language mixed with anti-German sentiment with no basis on reality. France also has a lot of influence in the EU but nobody call them names.

A brief history of post-war European relations:

France, Italy & Germany: We should have our own nukes
De Gaulle: *comes to power*
De Gaulle: Ah... no. We should have them. You two should fund them.
Italy & Germany: Sure!

Mitterand: The Euro is a great idea.
Kohl: Ah... no.
Mitterand: A really, really great idea.
Kohl: *sighs* Fine...

France: Hm. Greece’s economy is going bust. And our banks hold the majority of those loans. This... is a problem.
France: Hey, Germany!
Germany: Yes?
France: Gib money to Greece so our banks don't collapse.
Germany: ...
France: Oh, also gib money directly to our banks so they donct collapse.
Germany: ...
France: Collapse bad!
Germany: *sighs*

So, yeah...

Fourth Reich.

Of all the delusions, it's the delusionest.

France: A United EU military would be a great idea and Germany should fund it
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:42 am

First American Empire wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Yes- we must stop the fourth Reich of the EUSSR


And on it's ashes, we will create a Fifth Reich that will unite all german-speaking peoples under its banner. It will be called France.

/s

I mean the EU is technically under more French control than German especially since the Brits might be leaving. Once the Brits leave France will become the main military power in Europe
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Postby Purgatio » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:02 am

Yeah totally agree with the OP, the EU is in no way the same as the German Reich (if such a hyperbolic comparison is even worth taking seriously). Whatever economic clout Germany has doesn't change the fact that they only have so many seats in the European Parliament and they are only one Member on the Council of Ministers. The former votes by simple majority and the latter by qualified majority, and all the most important EU legal acts are enacted by both, so by definition, the EU is structured in a fashion that is very different from a hegemonic empire (where it's one suzerain arbitrarily and unilaterally dictating what everyone else gets to do).
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Postby -Ocelot- » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:03 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Yes- we must stop the fourth Reich of the EUSSR


Meanwhile, in the parallel world of the alt-right...
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:28 am

Kanadorika wrote:I think the Habsburgs need to reclaim the throne so that Austria can once again be the superior German state. Re unify with Hungary, and you'll give the EU a run for their money. 8)

The current head of the House Habsburg-Lothringen, the last surviving cadet branch of the House of Habsburg, is a supporter of the pan-European movement. Specifically the pan-European movement begun by Count Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi. The very same Kalergi of the "Kalergi Plan" that a neo-Nazi might invite you to Google in the hopes of you falling to a nest of conspiracies about EU plots to erase the white race.

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Postby Risottia » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:43 am

Kanadorika wrote:I think the Habsburgs need to reclaim the throne so that Austria can once again be the superior German state. Re unify with Hungary, and you'll give the EU a run for their money. 8)

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:27 am

The EU is a rebellious American puppet that needs to be put down, so I would hardly call it a "Reich"
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