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Do you support militias detaining illegal immigrants at the border?

Yes, they are legally justified, and are doing the right thing.
96
32%
Yes, I'm unsure as to the legality, but it is necessary.
43
14%
Unsure or undecided.
17
6%
No, this is illegal.
41
14%
No, legality doesn't matter, it's immoral.
41
14%
No, this is illegal, and immoral.
65
21%
 
Total votes : 303

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:38 am

Scomagia wrote:Again, in principle there's nothing wrong with maintaining vigilance along the border and reporting illegal immigrants you see crossing to BP. Hell, it's fine to be armed when you do it. The problem arises when you confront people. Observe and report should be the gameplan, leave actual confrontation to BP.

Even professional private security has no more legal authority to arrest someone than any other citizen does.
These 'militia' are acting outside the bounds of the law and need to be arrested.

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Postby Havarland » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:38 am

Ahh…The good ol' south.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:38 am

Good. We should arrest the rest of them
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:40 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Are they preventing them from leaving completely or are they perfectly free to go back across the border?

Armed men telling you to stay where you are doesn't give any reasonable person the impression that they can walk away in any direction.

That begs another question, is there any report of these hooligans actually opening fire on anyone?

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Postby Kowani » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:41 am

Loben wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why do you think he has a gun?

Because people own guns for the express purpose of shooting people.

When he’s going around detaining people with a semi-automatic, it’s safe to say that the gun’s not for hunting deer.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:41 am

Genivaria wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Again, in principle there's nothing wrong with maintaining vigilance along the border and reporting illegal immigrants you see crossing to BP. Hell, it's fine to be armed when you do it. The problem arises when you confront people. Observe and report should be the gameplan, leave actual confrontation to BP.

Even professional private security has no more legal authority to arrest someone than any other citizen does.
These 'militia' are acting outside the bounds of the law and need to be arrested.

Did you read what I wrote? Clearly I'm not supporting attempts at arrest. Observation and reporting is perfectly fine, however.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:43 am

Only the Border Patrol should be arresting people. If they want to arrest people they can join the border patrol
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:43 am

Scomagia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Even professional private security has no more legal authority to arrest someone than any other citizen does.
These 'militia' are acting outside the bounds of the law and need to be arrested.

Did you read what I wrote? Clearly I'm not supporting attempts at arrest. Observation and reporting is perfectly fine, however.

I was actually supporting your statement, not opposing it.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:44 am

Havarland wrote:Ahh…The good ol' south.

New Mexico isn’t the south dude. It’s the south western US
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Postby Kowani » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:45 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Havarland wrote:Ahh…The good ol' south.

New Mexico isn’t the south dude. It’s the south western US

American political geography makes no sense.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:46 am

Kowani wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:New Mexico isn’t the south dude. It’s the south western US

American political geography makes no sense.

Makes quite a lot of sense actually. The south aka the south east ends around Texas
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:47 am

Genivaria wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Did you read what I wrote? Clearly I'm not supporting attempts at arrest. Observation and reporting is perfectly fine, however.

I was actually supporting your statement, not opposing it.

Understood.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:48 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Kowani wrote:American political geography makes no sense.

Makes quite a lot of sense actually. The south aka the south east ends around Texas

Yes, but why? Why isn’t NM part of the South? Is Kansas part of the south?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:50 am

Kowani wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:New Mexico isn’t the south dude. It’s the south western US

American political geography makes no sense.

Different cultures and such
The South West has a different economy, different history, it’s hot as an oven, as opposed to the south which is hot as balls
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:50 am

Kowani wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Makes quite a lot of sense actually. The south aka the south east ends around Texas

Yes, but why? Why isn’t NM part of the South? Is Kansas part of the south?

NM isn’t part of the south, because it’s not in the southern US, it’s the southwest. Kansas is in the Great Plains aka the Midwest
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:51 am

Kowani wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Makes quite a lot of sense actually. The south aka the south east ends around Texas

Yes, but why? Why isn’t NM part of the South? Is Kansas part of the south?

No that’s the Midwest
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Postby Kowani » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:51 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Kowani wrote:American political geography makes no sense.

Different cultures and such
The South West has a different economy, different history, it’s hot as an oven, as opposed to the south which is hot as balls

Ahh. I see.
Thermodolia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yes, but why? Why isn’t NM part of the South? Is Kansas part of the south?

NM isn’t part of the south, because it’s not in the southern US, it’s the southwest. Kansas is in the Great Plains aka the Midwest

Is the Southwest not southern?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:53 am

Kowani wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Different cultures and such
The South West has a different economy, different history, it’s hot as an oven, as opposed to the south which is hot as balls

Ahh. I see.
Thermodolia wrote:NM isn’t part of the south, because it’s not in the southern US, it’s the southwest. Kansas is in the Great Plains aka the Midwest

Is the Southwest not southern?

Yeah a lot of people don’t understand America isn’t one monolith culture
Granted I don’t think any country bigger than a city state is but yeah
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:55 am

Ya'll just jelly ya'll don't have Tex-Mex. :D

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:57 am

Kowani wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Different cultures and such
The South West has a different economy, different history, it’s hot as an oven, as opposed to the south which is hot as balls

Ahh. I see.
Thermodolia wrote:NM isn’t part of the south, because it’s not in the southern US, it’s the southwest. Kansas is in the Great Plains aka the Midwest

Is the Southwest not southern?

No the Southwest is not southern culturally or politically. Geographically it’s technically in the southern half of the US
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:58 am

Genivaria wrote:Ya'll just jelly ya'll don't have Tex-Mex. :D

Frontera exists dude
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Postby Loben » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:59 am

Kowani wrote:
Loben wrote:Because people own guns for the express purpose of shooting people.

When he’s going around detaining people with a semi-automatic, it’s safe to say that the gun’s not for hunting deer.

You do know there are semi auto hunting rifles?

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:02 am

Good
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:06 am

Loben wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why do you think he has a gun?

Because people own guns for the express purpose of shooting people.

People own guns for lots of reasons. People carry guns when they're rolling around pretending to be Border Patrol to intimidate their victims, and potentially to shoot some people.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:26 am

Good. Lock all these border vigilante’s up.

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