New Mexico militia's detaining migrants.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Border patrol has distanced itself from the actions of this group and are emphasizing that any detentions or arrests regarding illegal immigrants is their sole job, not one for groups of citizens.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html

Then do their job and the people wont have to resort to this, its literally a byproduct of weak border control.

People are being asked pointedly not to do this by Border Patrol.

[Duhon]

Enough what again? Of people very much in need fleeing to the safest place they know

Then do it legally. I have lived in 3 countries in my life, and I moved places legally, not going through the back door.

They can still claim asylum upon entering US territory, though this admin with Stephen Miller heading and presiding is trying to rescind that as well as limit legal immigration... so why, again?

[Pannerstone]

You can join or make a militia at will, it is a free nation. Although you used the term "immigrant" that implies a legal resident, which is not the case here.

If someone speaks spanish and looks mexican and i see them crossing the border they are illegal by obvious logic the us is infinitely better than mexico and nobody does or should leave so if they cross the border period then they can be arrested.

Ah i figured you were not here for serious discussion

[Pannerstone]

Then do their job and the people wont have to resort to this, its literally a byproduct of weak border control.

People are being asked pointedly not to do this by Border Patrol.

It dosnt matter what they ask, the people will use what means to protect their state if the government fails to do so.

[Medwind]

Tbh, I'm unsure if NM laws actually support what the governor is saying.

Border patrol has distanced itself from the actions of this group and are emphasizing that any detentions or arrests regarding illegal immigrants is their sole job, not one for groups of citizens.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html

Of course they did, the spokespeople at least, they have pressure from politicians. Them saying that is the same as the gov. saying it. They have no choice in the matter, and I expect that opinions are different among the rank & file. It reminds me of when people were like "women can join the infantry now yaay" "the Army's all for equality say the brass" When irl among the grunts people were pissed. Spokespeople don't actually represent who they say, they represent political interests.

[Gormwood]

When crossing borders and seeking asylum are called crimes and citizens holding people captive and being vigilantes against the state governor's statement are not considered crimes. Yeah.

[Kowani]

So much for the rule of law…

[Duhon]

Then do their job and the people wont have to resort to this, its literally a byproduct of weak border control.

People are being asked pointedly not to do this by Border Patrol.

... and people are pointedly asking Border Patrol to just do what they themselves have done: arrest more of these filthy foreign scum, then jail them so they can rot a lot more.

[Medwind]

If someone speaks spanish and looks mexican and i see them crossing the border they are illegal by obvious logic the us is infinitely better than mexico and nobody does or should leave so if they cross the border period then they can be arrested.

Ah i figured you were not here for serious discussion

Never is imho.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

People are being asked pointedly not to do this by Border Patrol.

It dosnt matter what they ask, the people will use what means to protect their state if the government fails to do so.

Which will land your people in legal trouble. Especially those who have claimed to be working for BP, which is impersonating an officer of the law (also illegal). Not to mention that the protocols of detention are reserved for Border Patrol.

[Gagium]

By using the word illegal, you acknowledged that it is a crime. How can you claim it isn’t if it’s illegal?

It's a civil offense, not a criminal one.

A lot of civil offenses regarding illegal immigration into the US, if not nearly all, are carried out through criminal penalties

[Ifreann]

Which is a crime.

Yeah, no, pretty sure citizens arrest's aren't crimes.

This wasn't a citizen's arrest.
https://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico ... n-31-4-14/

The arrest of a person may be lawfully made also by any peace officer or a private person without a warrant upon reasonable information that the accused stands charged in the courts of a state with a crime punishable by death or imprisonment for a term exceeding one year...

Finding some Hispanic people near the border is not legal grounds for an arrest without a warrant.

[Medwind]

People are being asked pointedly not to do this by Border Patrol.

... and people are pointedly asking Border Patrol to just do what they themselves have done: arrest more of these filthy foreign scum, then jail them so they can rot a lot more.

People are asking border patrol to do their jobs instead of forcing citizens to do it for them. The lack of funding probably doesn't help, but it seems that this grassroots org. with low funding is meeting with success.

[Likar]

On a legal level, yes this is very illegal, on a personal level, its wrong, but were all different people.

The law is the law, but your opinion is yours to keep.

[Gagium]

Yeah, no, pretty sure citizens arrest's aren't crimes.

This wasn't a citizen's arrest.
https://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico ... n-31-4-14/

The arrest of a person may be lawfully made also by any peace officer or a private person without a warrant upon reasonable information that the accused stands charged in the courts of a state with a crime punishable by death or imprisonment for a term exceeding one year...

Finding some Hispanic people near the border is not legal grounds for an arrest without a warrant.

I’m sure finding people coming from the direction of the border with supplies and other gear certainly is reasonable information to conclude that they’re illegal, however

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

... and people are pointedly asking Border Patrol to just do what they themselves have done: arrest more of these filthy foreign scum, then jail them so they can rot a lot more.

People are asking border patrol to do their jobs instead of forcing citizens to do it for them. The lack of funding probably doesn't help, but it seems that this grassroots org. with low funding is meeting with success.

People want what they want. That still is not a legal reason to go out and do something the authorities are being very clear that they shouldn’t do. However slow BP may be. For their own good.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

This wasn't a citizen's arrest.
https://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico ... n-31-4-14/

Finding some Hispanic people near the border is not legal grounds for an arrest without a warrant.

I’m sure finding people coming from the direction of the border with supplies and other gear certainly is reasonable information to conclude that they’re illegal, however

Then call the police. I’m sure they can detain suspected illegal immigrants until BP can get to them.

[Duhon]

... and people are pointedly asking Border Patrol to just do what they themselves have done: arrest more of these filthy foreign scum, then jail them so they can rot a lot more.

People are asking border patrol to do their jobs instead of forcing citizens to do it for them. The lack of funding probably doesn't help, but it seems that this grassroots org. with low funding is meeting with success.

To wit: you, citizen of your United States, are asking Border Patrol to uphold the law by breaking it, in the larger context of an administration hellbent not only in criminalizing illegal immigration and rescinding asylum seeking, but redefining legal immigration so fewer and fewer people can apply for citizenship.

Good look, if you're that much of a xenophobe.

[Gagium]

I’m sure finding people coming from the direction of the border with supplies and other gear certainly is reasonable information to conclude that they’re illegal, however

Then call the police. I’m sure they can detain suspected illegal immigrants until BP can get to them.

If I’m not mistaken, I believe that’s exactly what the militia members were doing, and rightfully so at that.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Idk if this is illegal or not (but I'm pretty sure taking the law into your own hands is illegal) but it is immoral. Also detaining illegal immigrants doesn't make you patriotic nor is it a civic duty. Also the first offense of illegal immigration isn't a criminal offense, it's a civil one.

[Ifreann]

This wasn't a citizen's arrest.
https://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico ... n-31-4-14/

Finding some Hispanic people near the border is not legal grounds for an arrest without a warrant.

I’m sure finding people coming from the direction of the border with supplies and other gear certainly is reasonable information to conclude that they’re illegal, however

Even if you see them cross the border, they do not stand charged in the courts of a state with a crime punishable by death or over one year in prison.

[Cannot think of a name]

... and people are pointedly asking Border Patrol to just do what they themselves have done: arrest more of these filthy foreign scum, then jail them so they can rot a lot more.

People are asking border patrol to do their jobs instead of forcing citizens to do it for them. The lack of funding probably doesn't help, but it seems that this grassroots org. with low funding is meeting with success.

If your bar for 'meeting with success' is catching a handful of people, then I don't understand your complaint with the organization officially tasked with the job.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Then call the police. I’m sure they can detain suspected illegal immigrants until BP can get to them.

If I’m not mistaken, I believe that’s exactly what the militia members were doing.

With the adds that they themselves were doing something they do not have the jurisdiction to do. If they suspect someone is an illegal immigrant, they should call the police, not step in to detain them.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Ah i figured you were not here for serious discussion

I just proposed the same thing as these militiamen except that I made it clear they had to be seen crossing the border.

[Likar]

Then call the police. I’m sure they can detain suspected illegal immigrants until BP can get to them.

If I’m not mistaken, I believe that’s exactly what the militia members were doing, and rightfully so at that.

Yes, but these people are not part of a government group, and apprehended anybody they "suspected" of being an illegal immigrant.

That means if you have a brown skintone (like me), you can just get arrested by some people mistaking you for Mexican, and to add to the insult, assume your an illegal.