New Mexico militia's detaining migrants.

[New haven america]

Haha, fuck no.

The US' current border policies and laws are draconian compared to the US' border policies and laws 100+ years ago.

Debatable, let's remember that 100 years ago we rejected people for being too stupid, and forced them to have "American" names.

The US still does that with its desire to have "Skilled workers."

Also, the US had open borders until the 1920's and didn't even have things like Visas or the like.

[Gormwood]

You don't have a problem with armed criminal gangs? Weird.

Didn't realize detaining a group of people illegally crossing the US border equaled to being a criminal gang. With that line of thinking, then the US Nat'l Gaurd and or CBP must be a criminal gang.

Clearly a group of civilian vigilantes have the same authority as the Coast Guard or CBP so they're allowed to detain migrants as well. So much for respecting the rules of law.

[Semparia]

Here's a brilliant idea, instead of making militias and detaining people, you, you know actually join the offical agency for the thing you doing. One of the major issues with border patrol right now, assuming im remembering correctly, is a lack of manpower. You'd be far more useful there where things can be coordinated, dealt with properly, and you can be supplied properly. This militia stuff is pretty much useless in of itself, and the legality of it is very sketchy.

Well, by and large the issue with that is then you get dragged into politics. Also assuming of course they're hiring at the moment, which I'm not actually sure they are.

I'm pretty sure making a militia is more likely to get you involved in politics than just getting a job in the normal agency.

[Novus America]

Debatable, let's remember that 100 years ago we rejected people for being too stupid, and forced them to have "American" names.

Tthe US still does that with its desire to have "Skilled workers."

Also, the US had open borders until the 1920's and didn't even have things like Visas or the like.

Not exactly.
“Mounted watchmen of the United States Department of Commerce and Labor patrolled the border in an effort to prevent illegal crossings as early as 1904, but their efforts were irregular and undertaken only when resources permitted. The inspectors, usually called "mounted guards", operated out of El Paso, Texas. Though they never totaled more than 75, they patrolled as far west as California trying to restrict the flow of illegal Chinese immigration.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... der_Patrol
Anyways did you ever read The Jungle or Gangs of New York?
The immigrant slums were not good at all.
It was not until after the restrictions on immigration we could modernize our cities.

If immigrants come in faster than infrastructure and housing can be built to support them, bad things happen.

How are we going to build schools, roads, housing, electric power plants etc for everyone who wants to come in? How do we afford it?
What is the environmental damage?

See open border advocates are big on ideology but short on the practical issues involved.

And what is wrong with ensuring immigrants have the skills needed to best benefit our economy?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Bespoke: Delete borders

So we stop only at the Terra de Fuego?

You said that and I just immediately wondered “what does Argentina have to do with this? That’s one far off border”. That’s silly, Nana.

Blame it on my desire to have churrasco.

[Il Semachi]

It was not until after the restrictions on immigration we could modernize our cities.

If immigrants come in faster than infrastructure and housing can be built to support them, bad things happen.

How are we going to build schools, roads, housing, electric power plants etc for everyone who wants to come in? How do we afford it?
What is the environmental damage?

I agree that there likely needs to be a massive seizure of property in other to better accommodate those within the country. The suburban explosion has strangled most hope of reversing the massive damage the United States does to the local and global environment. There are no attractive labor jobs to assist in this (due to union busting and outsourcing primarily), and local authorities are only interested in major works if spurred on by large money interests. But what does this have to do with immigrants? This is a failure of US policy regardless of human movement into the country.

OH! You meant to imply that everyone south of the border wishes to come to the US. No.

See open border advocates are big on ideology but short on the practical issues involved.

Other way around. A more lax border policy advocacy requires an understanding of why there is movement into the country in the first place and cooperation to limit those factors if negative. It's all about policy, the closed border strategy is to merely ignore any catalysts of movement.

And what is wrong with ensuring immigrants have the skills needed to best benefit our economy?

Because it reinforces the manufactured scarcity of skilled workers in the US. Why is the United States not able to create skilled labor, why are we importing it?

[Novus America]

It was not until after the restrictions on immigration we could modernize our cities.

If immigrants come in faster than infrastructure and housing can be built to support them, bad things happen.

How are we going to build schools, roads, housing, electric power plants etc for everyone who wants to come in? How do we afford it?
What is the environmental damage?

I agree that there likely needs to be a massive seizure of property in other to better accommodate those within the country. The suburban explosion has strangled most hope of reversing the massive damage the United States does to the local and global environment. There are no attractive labor jobs to assist in this (due to union busting and outsourcing primarily), and local authorities are only interested in major works if spurred on by large money interests. But what does this have to do with immigrants? This is a failure of US policy regardless of human movement into the country.

OH! You meant to imply that everyone south of the border wishes to come to the US. No.

See open border advocates are big on ideology but short on the practical issues involved.

Other way around. A more lax border policy advocacy requires an understanding of why there is movement into the country in the first place and cooperation to limit those factors if negative. It's all about policy, the closed border strategy is to merely ignore any catalysts of movement.

And what is wrong with ensuring immigrants have the skills needed to best benefit our economy?

Because it reinforces the manufactured scarcity of skilled workers in the US. Why is the United States not able to create skilled labor, why are we importing it?

You never answered the questions beyond a vague “seize property” suburbs bad.

I mean you have a point when you crash the US economy and turn us into Cuba 2.0 then our immigration problems are solved though. Making the US so shitty people would rather leave than come would solve immigration but not the route I was going.

Actually US policy is working fairly well if people want to come here. Those suburbs are things immigrants want. Good places have immigration issues. Bad places have emigration issues.
If your country is nicer than many others that is how you get immigration in the first place!

The reasons there are movement is of course that the entire world is not equal.
If your policy is to stop immigration by eliminating all inequality in the world, that is not a practical policy solution. Just ideology.

Practical policies require detail. Like how you actually do this stuff. And need implementation.

Well importing them is generally cheaper, faster and easier.

[Novus America]

So we stop only at the Terra de Fuego?

You said that and I just immediately wondered “what does Argentina have to do with this? That’s one far off border”. That’s silly, Nana.

Blame it on my desire to have churrasco.

Well if we really want to eliminate our Southern border entirely we cannot stop until we got your Churrasco. Sure it is a long ways away but it would eliminate land based illegal immigration from the South.

[Nilrahrarfan]

Broke: trying to secure a 2,000 mile Mexican border.
Woke: securing 139 mile Colombian border.

Bespoke: Delete borders

A S C E N D E D: Creating loads of HRE-style border gore and trying to secure that

[Mushet]

You said that and I just immediately wondered “what does Argentina have to do with this? That’s one far off border”. That’s silly, Nana.

Blame it on my desire to have churrasco.

Well if we really want to eliminate our Southern border entirely we cannot stop until we got your Churrasco. Sure it is a long ways away but it would eliminate land based illegal immigration from the South.

Darien Gap as the border would also do a good job, and be less of a pain in the ass.

[Novus America]

Well if we really want to eliminate our Southern border entirely we cannot stop until we got your Churrasco. Sure it is a long ways away but it would eliminate land based illegal immigration from the South.

Darien Gap as the border would also do a good job, and be less of a pain in the ass.

I agree. Which was my original comment.
A subsequent poster wanted no border at all which would require going much further.

139 miles is not hard to secure

To the Darien Gap then! New Mexico border problem solved!

[Ifreann]

Bespoke: Delete borders

A S C E N D E D: Creating loads of HRE-style border gore and trying to secure that

Every man a prince-elector.

[Muinordgrad]

Today on "America is a Totally Normal Country": Militia groups are racially profiling and targeting Hispanic immigrants and deporting them as a paramilitary group while the American government continues to destabilize the Latin American governments that end up causing millions to flee to the United States.

[Gormwood]

Today on "America is a Totally Normal Country": Militia groups are racially profiling and targeting Hispanic immigrants and deporting them as a paramilitary group while the American government continues to destabilize the Latin American governments that end up causing millions to flee to the United States.

Sound Republican strategy. Continue to create The Enemy that gets the base angry and frightened and promote ineffective expensive measures to "repel" them.

[Mystic Warriors]

Today on "America is a Totally Normal Country": Militia groups are racially profiling and targeting Hispanic immigrants and deporting them as a paramilitary group while the American government continues to destabilize the Latin American governments that end up causing millions to flee to the United States.

Sound Republican strategy. Continue to create The Enemy that gets the base angry and frightened and promote ineffective expensive measures to "repel" them.

That's been their tactic forever. Democrats need to call them on it.

[Lady Scylla]

Are militias composed of citizens permitted by law to detain illegal immigrants, at all?

I believe so, although I may be mistaken, the gov. of NM disagrees with me it seems.

Citizen's Arrest is a very, very risky thing to pull off. There's a significant amount of red tape involved over the laws pertaining to citizen arrest, and you can be charged with kidnapping if you fuck up.

[Ifreann]

I believe so, although I may be mistaken, the gov. of NM disagrees with me it seems.

Citizen's Arrest is a very, very risky thing to pull off. There's a significant amount of red tape involved over the laws pertaining to citizen arrest, and you can be charged with kidnapping if you fuck up.

You can't charge me with kidnapping, I'm placing you under citizen's arrest.

[Lady Scylla]

Citizen's Arrest is a very, very risky thing to pull off. There's a significant amount of red tape involved over the laws pertaining to citizen arrest, and you can be charged with kidnapping if you fuck up.

You can't charge me with kidnapping, I'm placing you under citizen's arrest.

D:

[Lady Scylla]

I'm in no way saying I'm an authority on the matter, but when I pulled security, we had to take law enforcement courses on levels of force, when lethal force is justified, and cover the laws regarding citizen arrest. Since security personnel are not law enforcement, it was imperative we understood the law to avoid ending up in serious shit, especially when it came to using force. And the militia's claim of citizen's arrest is dubious at best, and the fact these migrants were taken at gunpoint sets off so many alarms to begin with.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I'm in no way saying I'm an authority on the matter, but when I pulled security, we had to take law enforcement courses on levels of force, when lethal force is justified, and cover the laws regarding citizen arrest. Since security personnel are not law enforcement, it was imperative we understood the law to avoid ending up in serious shit, especially when it came to using force. And the militia's claim of citizen's arrest is dubious at best, and the fact these migrants were taken at gunpoint sets off so many alarms to begin with.

That’s my big thing here
This screams violent armed mob with no idea what their doing more than anything

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm in no way saying I'm an authority on the matter, but when I pulled security, we had to take law enforcement courses on levels of force, when lethal force is justified, and cover the laws regarding citizen arrest. Since security personnel are not law enforcement, it was imperative we understood the law to avoid ending up in serious shit, especially when it came to using force. And the militia's claim of citizen's arrest is dubious at best, and the fact these migrants were taken at gunpoint sets off so many alarms to begin with.

Not to mention that one of the militia members has been detained/arrested by the FBI for being a dangerous felon. Fast and loose.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... a-48000774

[Internationalist Bastard]

I'm in no way saying I'm an authority on the matter, but when I pulled security, we had to take law enforcement courses on levels of force, when lethal force is justified, and cover the laws regarding citizen arrest. Since security personnel are not law enforcement, it was imperative we understood the law to avoid ending up in serious shit, especially when it came to using force. And the militia's claim of citizen's arrest is dubious at best, and the fact these migrants were taken at gunpoint sets off so many alarms to begin with.

Not to mention that one of the militia members has been detained/arrested by the FBI for being a dangerous felon. Fast and loose.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... a-48000774

Isn’t this basically how a drug cartel got started in Mexico?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Debatable, let's remember that 100 years ago we rejected people for being too stupid, and forced them to have "American" names.

The US still does that with its desire to have "Skilled workers."

Also, the US had open borders until the 1920's and didn't even have things like Visas or the like.

>open borders
>Chinese Exclusion Act

does not compute

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Not to mention that one of the militia members has been detained/arrested by the FBI for being a dangerous felon. Fast and loose.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... a-48000774

Isn’t this basically how a drug cartel got started in Mexico?

I don’t know, honestly. The militia guy who was just apprehended was also arrested before for impersonation of a police officer.

[Vassenor]

Isn’t this basically how a drug cartel got started in Mexico?

I don’t know, honestly. The militia guy who was just apprehended was also arrested before for impersonation of a police officer.

And we're supposed to be rooting for these guys? Sheesh.