New Mexico militia's detaining migrants.

[Telconi]

I mean, if that's what your own personal Jiminy Cricket says..

I mean the 2nd amendment literally states that the militia is for the security of a free state

I would imagine, if one were to possess any semblance of logic and/or what is commonly defined as "common sense" border protection would be included in that...unless said person dosn't believe in borders.

Or if said person doesn't believe that the people being detained pose a security threat.

[New haven america]

I mean, if that's what your own personal Jiminy Cricket says..

I mean the 2nd amendment literally states that the militia is for the security of a free state

I would imagine, if one were to possess any semblance of logic and/or what is commonly defined as "common sense" border protection would be included in that...unless said person dosn't believe in borders

Actually, the militia part (And really, the 2nd Amendment itself) was for the US to have some sense of security before the creation of the US armed Forces, nothing more.

[Telconi]

I mean the 2nd amendment literally states that the militia is for the security of a free state

I would imagine, if one were to possess any semblance of logic and/or what is commonly defined as "common sense" border protection would be included in that...unless said person dosn't believe in borders

Actually, the militia part (And really, the 2nd Amendment itself) was for the US to have some sense of security before the creation of the US armed Forces, nothing more.

We don't get security now?

[Pannerstone]

I mean the 2nd amendment literally states that the militia is for the security of a free state

I would imagine, if one were to possess any semblance of logic and/or what is commonly defined as "common sense" border protection would be included in that...unless said person dosn't believe in borders

Actually, the militia part (And really, the 2nd Amendment itself) was for the US to have some sense of security before the creation of the US armed Forces, nothing more.

I don't recall a clause in the amendment talking about "until which time a professional army has been created"

[Ifreann]

I mean, if that's what your own personal Jiminy Cricket says..

I mean the 2nd amendment literally states that the militia is for the security of a free state

I would imagine, if one were to possess any semblance of logic and/or what is commonly defined as "common sense" border protection would be included in that...unless said person dosn't believe in borders.

The 2nd Amendment says that a militia is necessary for the security of a free state.

It doesn't say that you can tool up and go around arresting people.

[Pannerstone]

Actually, the militia part (And really, the 2nd Amendment itself) was for the US to have some sense of security before the creation of the US armed Forces, nothing more.

We don't get security now?

Actually no we don't, the border patrol is LITERALLY overwhelmed right now and other law enforcement agency's do not have the means/resources to effectively handle the situation.

so no, we do not have security, that is obvious...like so obvious I don't even know why you even said that.

[Ifreann]

We don't get security now?

Actually no we don't, the border patrol is LITERALLY overwhelmed right now and other law enforcement agency's do not have the means/resources to effectively handle the situation.

so no, we do not have security, that is obvious...like so obvious I don't even know why you even said that.

Again, tens of thousands of agents, billions of dollars.

[New haven america]

I mean the 2nd amendment literally states that the militia is for the security of a free state

I would imagine, if one were to possess any semblance of logic and/or what is commonly defined as "common sense" border protection would be included in that...unless said person dosn't believe in borders.

The 2nd Amendment says that a militia is necessary for the security of a free state.

It doesn't say that you can tool up and go around arresting people.

Quit trampling on our freedoms with your FACTS and LOGIC.

[Pannerstone]

I mean the 2nd amendment literally states that the militia is for the security of a free state

I would imagine, if one were to possess any semblance of logic and/or what is commonly defined as "common sense" border protection would be included in that...unless said person dosn't believe in borders.

The 2nd Amendment says that a militia is necessary for the security of a free state.

It doesn't say that you can tool up and go around arresting people.

it is implied, if you are armed and told to secure a free state by forming a militia it's pretty much expected you would defend it's borders.

this is literally 1+1=2 type of shit

[New haven america]

Actually, the militia part (And really, the 2nd Amendment itself) was for the US to have some sense of security before the creation of the US armed Forces, nothing more.

I don't recall a clause in the amendment talking about "until which time a professional army has been created"

Maybe you should actually study The Constitution then.

[Pannerstone]

Actually no we don't, the border patrol is LITERALLY overwhelmed right now and other law enforcement agency's do not have the means/resources to effectively handle the situation.

so no, we do not have security, that is obvious...like so obvious I don't even know why you even said that.

Again, tens of thousands of agents, billions of dollars.

did you miss the part where I said they are being overwhelmed? repeating "tons of money and people" dosn't change that apparently it's not enough.

[Pannerstone]

I don't recall a clause in the amendment talking about "until which time a professional army has been created"

Maybe you should actually study The Constitution then.

Please enlighten me then where we decided that he militia was a temporary measure?

[New haven america]

Again, tens of thousands of agents, billions of dollars.

did you miss the part where I said they are being overwhelmed? repeating "tons of money and people" dosn't change that apparently it's not enough.

Maybe we could actually try making immigration easier rather than just throwing money at a failed cause

[Pannerstone]

did you miss the part where I said they are being overwhelmed? repeating "tons of money and people" dosn't change that apparently it's not enough.

Maybe we could actually try making immigration easier rather than just throwing money at a failed cause

"make immigration easier"

please offer a solution other than "No borders!" that we hear lunatics spread.

[Ifreann]

The 2nd Amendment says that a militia is necessary for the security of a free state.

It doesn't say that you can tool up and go around arresting people.

it is implied, if you are armed and told to secure a free state by forming a militia it's pretty much expected you would defend it's borders.

this is literally 1+1=2 type of shit

Civilian law enforcement defends the borders, not the militia or the military, because immigration, legal or illegal, is a matter of civil law, not a matter of war. The 2nd Amendment doesn't confer to gun owners the power of arrest. The bit about a militia is, as any American gun rights person will tell you, meant to explain why the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

[The Emerald Legion]

did you miss the part where I said they are being overwhelmed? repeating "tons of money and people" dosn't change that apparently it's not enough.

Maybe we could actually try making immigration easier rather than just throwing money at a failed cause

Let's just Annex Mexico. Manifest Destiny 2.0 Southwards Slide.

[New haven america]

Maybe we could actually try making immigration easier rather than just throwing money at a failed cause

"make immigration easier"

please offer a solution other than "No borders!" that we hear lunatics spread.

Minimal borders FTW \o/

[Pannerstone]

"make immigration easier"

please offer a solution other than "No borders!" that we hear lunatics spread.

Minimal borders FTW \o/

so the current? no surprise

[New haven america]

Minimal borders FTW \o/

so the current? no surprise

Haha, fuck no.

The US' current border policies and laws are draconian compared to the US' border policies and laws 100+ years ago.

[Novus America]

Maybe we could actually try making immigration easier rather than just throwing money at a failed cause

Let's just Annex Mexico. Manifest Destiny 2.0 Southwards Slide.

Broke: trying to secure a 2,000 mile Mexican border.
Woke: securing a 139 mile Colombian border.

[Ifreann]

Let's just Annex Mexico. Manifest Destiny 2.0 Southwards Slide.

Broke: trying to secure a 2,000 mile Mexican border.
Woke: securing 139 mile Colombian border.

Bespoke: Delete borders

[Novus America]

Broke: trying to secure a 2,000 mile Mexican border.
Woke: securing 139 mile Colombian border.

Bespoke: Delete borders

So we stop only at the Tierra del Fuego?

[Semparia]

Here's a brilliant idea, instead of making militias and detaining people, you, you know actually join the offical agency for the thing you doing. One of the major issues with border patrol right now, assuming im remembering correctly, is a lack of manpower. You'd be far more useful there where things can be coordinated, dealt with properly, and you can be supplied properly. This militia stuff is pretty much useless in of itself, and the legality of it is very sketchy.

[The Emerald Legion]

Here's a brilliant idea, instead of making militias and detaining people, you, you know actually join the offical agency for the thing you doing. One of the major issues with border patrol right now, assuming im remembering correctly, is a lack of manpower. You'd be far more useful there where things can be coordinated, dealt with properly, and you can be supplied properly. This militia stuff is pretty much useless in of itself, and the legality of it is very sketchy.

Well, by and large the issue with that is then you get dragged into politics. Also assuming of course they're hiring at the moment, which I'm not actually sure they are.

[Telconi]

so the current? no surprise

Haha, fuck no.

The US' current border policies and laws are draconian compared to the US' border policies and laws 100+ years ago.

Debatable, let's remember that 100 years ago we rejected people for being too stupid, and forced them to have "American" names.