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Do you support militias detaining illegal immigrants at the border?

Yes, they are legally justified, and are doing the right thing.
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32%
Yes, I'm unsure as to the legality, but it is necessary.
43
14%
Unsure or undecided.
17
6%
No, this is illegal.
41
14%
No, legality doesn't matter, it's immoral.
41
14%
No, this is illegal, and immoral.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:46 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Isn’t this basically how a drug cartel got started in Mexico?


I don’t know, honestly. The militia guy who was just apprehended was also arrested before for impersonation of a police officer.

Ah so he’s continuing the cycle
But yeah if I remember right one the Mexican cartels started as a militia to kill the cartels. Then they realized guns cost money so they started doing crime themselves
Maybe the Templars, could be wrong
But yeah I wouldn’t just a roving band of armed thugs with known felons myself
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:49 pm

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I don’t know, honestly. The militia guy who was just apprehended was also arrested before for impersonation of a police officer.


And we're supposed to be rooting for these guys? Sheesh.


I won’t speak for anyone else. As I’ve been saying throughout the thread, armed militias shouldn’t be intervening in this. If they suspect someone of being an illegal immigrant, they should call the authorities, who are certainly skilled in the detention protocols.
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Postby Page » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:49 pm

Medwind wrote:New Mexico's militias are detaining migrants at the border, while awaiting border patrol to arrest them. The ACLU of New Mexico has denounced them as fascist white supremacists, and petitioned NM. government officials to stop them. Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham has attacked them, saying there will be an investigation, and that regular citizens don't have the power to arrest anyone. However, unless I'm mistaken, this is untrue, due to the presence of citizens arrest laws.


In most states, citizen's arrest is only legal in the case of a violent felony or when one is in imminent danger of violence, with the exception that shopkeepers can detain those who steal from their shops.

These thugs have neither justification.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:50 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I don’t know, honestly. The militia guy who was just apprehended was also arrested before for impersonation of a police officer.

Ah so he’s continuing the cycle
But yeah if I remember right one the Mexican cartels started as a militia to kill the cartels. Then they realized guns cost money so they started doing crime themselves
Maybe the Templars, could be wrong
But yeah I wouldn’t just a roving band of armed thugs with known felons myself
Edit Los Viagras is the group


I’ve lost track of how many cartels there are in Mexico alone. It seems there’s a new one every so often.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:52 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Ah so he’s continuing the cycle
But yeah if I remember right one the Mexican cartels started as a militia to kill the cartels. Then they realized guns cost money so they started doing crime themselves
Maybe the Templars, could be wrong
But yeah I wouldn’t just a roving band of armed thugs with known felons myself
Edit Los Viagras is the group


I’ve lost track of how many cartels there are in Mexico alone. It seems there’s a new one every so often.

I try to keep up with it, along with the Syrian Civil War, Afghanistan And Mali
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Postby The Atmoran Diplomat » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:55 pm

Medwind wrote:New Mexico's militias are detaining migrants at the border, while awaiting border patrol to arrest them. The ACLU of New Mexico has denounced them as fascist white supremacists, and petitioned NM. government officials to stop them. Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham has attacked them, saying there will be an investigation, and that regular citizens don't have the power to arrest anyone. However, unless I'm mistaken, this is untrue, due to the presence of citizens arrest laws. Illegal immigrant = criminal, however I don't know if citizen arrest laws apply to them, however, it should imo. It should be noted that a majority of the militia are prior service, and therefore trained, and in reality, they are just detaining them until border patrol arrives, not actually throwing them in jail or such. What do you think of this issue NS? Are these patriotic citizens doing their civic duty in the face of a crises of mass illegal immigration, or are they neo nazi's? Are they justified from a legal standpoint?
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How is it fascist and how is people who stop CRIMINALS from cutting the line to get government handouts now make you a Nazi? The constitution allows us to bare arms and protect our themselves when the government fails to do it's job.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:57 pm

The Atmoran Diplomat wrote:
Medwind wrote:New Mexico's militias are detaining migrants at the border, while awaiting border patrol to arrest them. The ACLU of New Mexico has denounced them as fascist white supremacists, and petitioned NM. government officials to stop them. Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham has attacked them, saying there will be an investigation, and that regular citizens don't have the power to arrest anyone. However, unless I'm mistaken, this is untrue, due to the presence of citizens arrest laws. Illegal immigrant = criminal, however I don't know if citizen arrest laws apply to them, however, it should imo. It should be noted that a majority of the militia are prior service, and therefore trained, and in reality, they are just detaining them until border patrol arrives, not actually throwing them in jail or such. What do you think of this issue NS? Are these patriotic citizens doing their civic duty in the face of a crises of mass illegal immigration, or are they neo nazi's? Are they justified from a legal standpoint?
Full article here:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/no-au ... spartanntp


How is it fascist and how is people who stop CRIMINALS from cutting the line to get government handouts now make you a Nazi? The constitution allows us to bare arms and protect our themselves when the government fails to do it's job.

Sure but it’s sketchy as hell and we’re right to be wary
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Postby Page » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:00 am

One of these days these militia guys are going to run into the cartel. And when that day comes they will really wish they stayed home to watch NRA TV and Fox News. :lol:
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:01 am

The Atmoran Diplomat wrote:
Medwind wrote:New Mexico's militias are detaining migrants at the border, while awaiting border patrol to arrest them. The ACLU of New Mexico has denounced them as fascist white supremacists, and petitioned NM. government officials to stop them. Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham has attacked them, saying there will be an investigation, and that regular citizens don't have the power to arrest anyone. However, unless I'm mistaken, this is untrue, due to the presence of citizens arrest laws. Illegal immigrant = criminal, however I don't know if citizen arrest laws apply to them, however, it should imo. It should be noted that a majority of the militia are prior service, and therefore trained, and in reality, they are just detaining them until border patrol arrives, not actually throwing them in jail or such. What do you think of this issue NS? Are these patriotic citizens doing their civic duty in the face of a crises of mass illegal immigration, or are they neo nazi's? Are they justified from a legal standpoint?
Full article here:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/no-au ... spartanntp


How is it fascist and how is people who stop CRIMINALS from cutting the line to get government handouts now make you a Nazi? The constitution allows us to bare arms and protect our themselves when the government fails to do it's job.


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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:01 am

Page wrote:One of these days these militia guys are going to run into the cartel. And when that day comes they will really wish they stayed home to watch NRA TV and Fox News. :lol:

Eh I’m not big on wishing for violent conflict
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:03 am

Page wrote:One of these days these militia guys are going to run into the cartel. And when that day comes they will really wish they stayed home to watch NRA TV and Fox News. :lol:


Given most militias have at least some former military in them my money would be on them tbh
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Postby Duhon » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:03 am

Page wrote:One of these days these militia guys are going to run into the cartel. And when that day comes they will really wish they stayed home to watch NRA TV and Fox News. :lol:


Or worse, they see there's gold in them thar sandhills and become local adjuncts to the cartels.

I'm sorry.

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Page wrote:One of these days these militia guys are going to run into the cartel. And when that day comes they will really wish they stayed home to watch NRA TV and Fox News. :lol:


Given most militias have at least some former military in them my money would be on them tbh


A dishonorable discharge for possession of bath salts after 3 months and weekends getting drunk and shooting at trees does not qualify as real military experience.
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Postby Duhon » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:06 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Page wrote:One of these days these militia guys are going to run into the cartel. And when that day comes they will really wish they stayed home to watch NRA TV and Fox News. :lol:

Eh I’m not big on wishing for violent conflict


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Postby Page » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:07 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Page wrote:One of these days these militia guys are going to run into the cartel. And when that day comes they will really wish they stayed home to watch NRA TV and Fox News. :lol:

Eh I’m not big on wishing for violent conflict


I'm just amused by the irony of it all. They think they're brave warriors but they're just harassing innocent people, yet if they keep hanging out down by the border then real danger will find them sooner or later.
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Internationalist Bastard wrote:Eh I’m not big on wishing for violent conflict


I'm just amused by the irony of it all. They think they're brave warriors but they're just harassing innocent people, yet if they keep hanging out down by the border then real danger will find them sooner or later.

Yeah I’m gonna hope it doesn’t come to that
I also have a dark feeling that some of these guys will be found missing their heads
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:10 am

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:Eh I’m not big on wishing for violent conflict


I'm just amused by the irony of it all. They think they're brave warriors but they're just harassing innocent people, yet if they keep hanging out down by the border then real danger will find them sooner or later.


Those cartel guys are savage.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:10 am

Page wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Given most militias have at least some former military in them my money would be on them tbh


A dishonorable discharge for possession of bath salts after 3 months and weekends getting drunk and shooting at trees does not qualify as real military experience.


Yes, literally everyone who has ever left the military did it under those exact circumstances.
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Postby Duhon » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:10 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Page wrote:One of these days these militia guys are going to run into the cartel. And when that day comes they will really wish they stayed home to watch NRA TV and Fox News. :lol:


Given most militias have at least some former military in them my money would be on them tbh


Then they're in luck, for some cartel members were former soldiers as well, before discovering they can sate their greed and sadism by joining the cartels, if not forming one.

Basically it'll be a battle of fucking scumbags, only with different stripes.

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Postby Atlexil » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:14 am

I’m gonna post an article that was published about 10 years ago on these militia types. Specifically its an article that shows why these types of people are dangerous and that what they’re doing should only be in the purview of actual law enforcement personnel.

New Border Fear: Violence by a Rogue Militia. Three members of one of these militia groups committed a home invasion of a family of three. And ended up killing a father and his 9-year-old daughter. These fuckheads committed this home invasion under the assumption (emphasis on ass) that the father was a part of the drug trade and would have stacks of cash. They misidentified themselves as police officers and broke a family.

I don’t give a shit about your politics. I don’t give a shit on what your stance is on the border. An incident like that should’ve never happened nor what is going on right now shouldn’t be occurring. We have groups of pretend soldiers, veterans that should damn well know better, and people that wouldn’t hack it in any uniform service. Going around the border humping kit, following military/law enforcement personnel, making a nuisance of themselves in border towns, or violating private property.

This issue needs to be addressed before one of these jack assess do something worse.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:15 am

Duhon wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Given most militias have at least some former military in them my money would be on them tbh


Then they're in luck, for some cartel members were former soldiers as well, before discovering they can sate their greed and sadism by joining the cartels, if not forming one.

Basically it'll be a battle of fucking scumbags, only with different stripes.


Imagine thinking a literal cartel is on par with people who want stronger border security and are trying to do it themselves, Jesus fucking Christ lol.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:16 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Page wrote:
A dishonorable discharge for possession of bath salts after 3 months and weekends getting drunk and shooting at trees does not qualify as real military experience.


Yes, literally everyone who has ever left the military did it under those exact circumstances.

Here’s the thing though
The Drug War is deadly
Like really deadly
If you’re an enforcer in a cartel you’ve probably seen more combat than most US veterans post Vietnam, plus their gonna be armed better than a legal US militia
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Postby Page » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:20 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Then they're in luck, for some cartel members were former soldiers as well, before discovering they can sate their greed and sadism by joining the cartels, if not forming one.

Basically it'll be a battle of fucking scumbags, only with different stripes.


Imagine thinking a literal cartel is on par with people who want stronger border security and are trying to do it themselves, Jesus fucking Christ lol.


They're certainly not on par in terms of combat experience. In case you don't remember, the cartels in Mexico have been fighting the army for years. Which brings us back to my point: These militias are going out to the border to migrants who are probably too tired, hungry, and dehydrated from the journey to put up any sort of resistance and they feel brave because of it. But there is real danger in that area and if they keep this up long enough, they will run into it.

All's I'm saying is they're going to end up in a be careful what you wish for situation.
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Postby Page » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:22 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Page wrote:
A dishonorable discharge for possession of bath salts after 3 months and weekends getting drunk and shooting at trees does not qualify as real military experience.


Yes, literally everyone who has ever left the military did it under those exact circumstances.


The ones who go on tours of duty and retire with their pension after many years of service typically have better things to do with their lives.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:23 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yes, literally everyone who has ever left the military did it under those exact circumstances.

Here’s the thing though
The Drug War is deadly
Like really deadly
If you’re an enforcer in a cartel you’ve probably seen more combat than most US veterans post Vietnam, plus their gonna be armed better than a legal US militia


It's deadly sure but lets not mistake that for the cartels being some amazing fighting force. Some 7-8000 Americans die per year to gang violence but that sure as shit doesn't mean the Vice Lords are capable of oofing people in real combat situations.

Apart from the early days of the Zetas when they went full spec ops on some peeps the cartels have engaged in much the same sort of violence as our criminals do, just on a larger scale.
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