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Do you support militias detaining illegal immigrants at the border?

Yes, they are legally justified, and are doing the right thing.
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32%
Yes, I'm unsure as to the legality, but it is necessary.
43
14%
Unsure or undecided.
17
6%
No, this is illegal.
41
14%
No, legality doesn't matter, it's immoral.
41
14%
No, this is illegal, and immoral.
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Total votes : 303

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Postby Medwind » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:03 pm

Gagium wrote:
Ifreann wrote:This wasn't a citizen's arrest.
https://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico ... n-31-4-14/

Finding some Hispanic people near the border is not legal grounds for an arrest without a warrant.

I’m sure finding people coming from the direction of the border with supplies and other gear certainly is reasonable information to conclude that they’re illegal, however

Yeah, that, and add in the no habla ingles is probably another giveaway, plus general appearance, IE wet, dirty, etc. (that's not racist, think about it for a minute before you get all upset) That article OP posted is out of date, might not still hold true. Even if it does, a crimes a crime, and as I've been saying they are justified imo.
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Postby Gagium » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:04 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Gagium wrote:I’m sure finding people coming from the direction of the border with supplies and other gear certainly is reasonable information to conclude that they’re illegal, however

Even if you see them cross the border, they do not stand charged in the courts of a state with a crime punishable by death or over one year in prison.

I believe Immigration & Customs Enforcement can legally deport anyone who crosses the border without documentation, or even if they’re applying for status.
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Postby Ourisio » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:05 pm

IANAL, but New Mexico has no specific statute on ctizens arrest.

Following the Common Law interpretation it's is only eligible for felonies or breaches of the peace. They're liable for false arrest if they're only stopping them for immigration.

Either way, I can't wait to read the apologia for when it turns out these guys are committing rape-murder on the women and how illegals should have stayed away, how they had it coming, etc.
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Postby Medwind » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:05 pm

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Medwind wrote:People are asking border patrol to do their jobs instead of forcing citizens to do it for them. The lack of funding probably doesn't help, but it seems that this grassroots org. with low funding is meeting with success.

If your bar for 'meeting with success' is catching a handful of people, then I don't understand your complaint with the organization officially tasked with the job.

Obviously you didn't read the article properly. If catching hundreds of people in a short amount of time isn't somewhat successful to you, you need to reevaluate your standards.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:05 pm

Medwind wrote:
Gagium wrote:I’m sure finding people coming from the direction of the border with supplies and other gear certainly is reasonable information to conclude that they’re illegal, however

Yeah, that, and add in the no habla ingles is probably another giveaway, plus general appearance, IE wet, dirty, etc. (that's not racist, think about it for a minute before you REEEEEE) That article OP posted is out of date, might not still hold true. Even if it does, a crimes a crime, and as I've been saying they are justified imo.

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Postby Medwind » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:06 pm

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Medwind wrote:Very true, it is necessary imo.

Look at you, ignoring your moral obligation, instead being willfully ignorant of what I told you to do.


Everyone please ignore his posts, he doesn't know what he's talking about, it' safer for your friends and family if nobody takes him seriously.




As for NM, it's pretty ironic considering the name. As well, they are human rights abusers now. They should be rounded up and imprisoned for kidnapping hostages.


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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:07 pm

Ourisio wrote:IANAL, but New Mexico has no specific statute on ctizens arrest.

Following the Common Law interpretation it's is only eligible for felonies or breaches of the peace. They're liable for false arrest if so.

Either way, I can't wait to read the apologia for when it turns out these guys are committing rape-murder and how they should have stayed away, how they had it coming, etc.


I think that if the authority charged with doing this tells you pointedly not to detain people you suspect of being illegal immigrants and you still do it, you should be liable for breaking the law.
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Postby Medwind » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:09 pm

Ourisio wrote:IANAL, but New Mexico has no specific statute on ctizens arrest.

Following the Common Law interpretation it's is only eligible for felonies or breaches of the peace. They're liable for false arrest if they're only stopping them for immigration.

Either way, I can't wait to read the apologia for when it turns out these guys are committing rape-murder on the women and how illegals should have stayed away, how they had it coming, etc.

Lol, none of that's happened, nice pseudo strawman there.
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Postby Duhon » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:09 pm

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Either way, I can't wait to read the apologia for when it turns out these guys are committing rape-murder on the women and how illegals should have stayed away, how they had it coming, etc.[/quote]

Whoever does that should be taken care of accordingly, whether it be one of those illegals or one of those militiamen doing shit.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:10 pm

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Postby Likar » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:10 pm

Medwind wrote:
Gagium wrote:I’m sure finding people coming from the direction of the border with supplies and other gear certainly is reasonable information to conclude that they’re illegal, however

Yeah, that, and add in the no habla ingles is probably another giveaway, plus general appearance, IE wet, dirty, etc. (that's not racist, think about it for a minute before you get all upset) That article OP posted is out of date, might not still hold true. Even if it does, a crimes a crime, and as I've been saying they are justified imo.

Okay, so I can then assume by this that if you happen to have a brown skintone, this means "hey look, a mexican" even though it can be literally anyone in the world (arab, african, brazillian, ETC).
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Postby Pannerstone » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:11 pm

This is hilariuos the people bitching about “ just let the government do it”

Are probably open border fans lets be real

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:11 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Look at you, ignoring your moral obligation, instead being willfully ignorant of what I told you to do.


Everyone please ignore his posts, he doesn't know what he's talking about, it' safer for your friends and family if nobody takes him seriously.




As for NM, it's pretty ironic considering the name. As well, they are human rights abusers now. They should be rounded up and imprisoned for kidnapping hostages.

Yeah, but will you be able to say that so confidently when you are detained by hooligans with guns at the border?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:11 pm

Ourisio wrote:Either way, I can't wait to read the apologia for when it turns out these guys are committing rape-murder on the women and how illegals should have stayed away, how they had it coming, etc.


You'll need to provide evidence first, but we get it, you want rapes and murders to happen so you can score political points.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:12 pm

Let's look at this from there prospective, everyday countless iligal imagrents cross the border and in there mind invade there Country.

They form a milita to stop the onslaught and aid the under staffed/ Funded CBP, but only after the Congress doesn't do anything and there governor pulls the national guard because there's "no threat".

So they have a right to be angry and defend there county.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:12 pm

Pannerstone wrote:This is hilariuos the people bitching about “ just let the government do it”

Are probably open border fans lets be real

The Governor of New Mexico is an open borders fan now?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:13 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Pannerstone wrote:This is hilariuos the people bitching about “ just let the government do it”

Are probably open border fans lets be real

The Governor of New Mexico is an open borders fan now?


So is Border Patrol I guess, judging by their declarations of telling citizens not to do this.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:14 pm

Medwind wrote:
Gagium wrote:I’m sure finding people coming from the direction of the border with supplies and other gear certainly is reasonable information to conclude that they’re illegal, however

Yeah, that, and add in the no habla ingles is probably another giveaway, plus general appearance, IE wet, dirty, etc. (that's not racist, think about it for a minute before you get all upset) That article OP posted is out of date, might not still hold true. Even if it does, a crimes a crime, and as I've been saying they are justified imo.

Detaining people illegally. Threatening them with firearms. Those are crimes.


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Ifreann wrote:Even if you see them cross the border, they do not stand charged in the courts of a state with a crime punishable by death or over one year in prison.

I believe Immigration & Customs Enforcement can legally deport anyone who crosses the border without documentation, or even if they’re applying for status.

CBP can't deport people who are seeking asylum until that request has been duly adjudicated. But whether they can be deported by the proper authorities or not, they don't stand charged in the courts of a state with any crime, so they cannot be arrested by private citizens without a warrant. Unless there is some legal jargon that makes that sentence mean something very different from what it appears to mean.
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Postby Medwind » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:14 pm

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Medwind wrote:Very true, it is necessary imo.

Look at you, ignoring your moral obligation, instead being willfully ignorant of what I told you to do.


Everyone please ignore his posts, he doesn't know what he's talking about, it' safer for your friends and family if nobody takes him seriously.




As for NM, it's pretty ironic considering the name. As well, they are human rights abusers now. They should be rounded up and imprisoned for kidnapping hostages.


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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:14 pm

Pannerstone wrote:This is hilariuos the people bitching about “ just let the government do it”

Are probably open border fans lets be real

Literally nobody has advocated open borders.
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Postby Ourisio » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:15 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ourisio wrote:IANAL, but New Mexico has no specific statute on ctizens arrest.

Following the Common Law interpretation it's is only eligible for felonies or breaches of the peace. They're liable for false arrest if so.

Either way, I can't wait to read the apologia for when it turns out these guys are committing rape-murder and how they should have stayed away, how they had it coming, etc.


I think that if the authority charged with doing this tells you pointedly not to detain people you suspect of being illegal immigrants and you still do it, you should be liable for breaking the law.


In fact, if I were law enforcement, I'd question the presence of rifle-toting weekend warriors in the desert. From behind my car door and my patrol rifle.

But you know, Very Fine People have always been 'rules for thee, none for me', so... :roll:
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Postby Duhon » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:15 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:Let's look at this from there prospective, everyday countless iligal imagrents cross the border and in there mind invade there Country.

They form a milita to stop the onslaught and aid the under staffed/ Funded CBP, but only after the Congress doesn't do anything and there governor pulls the national guard because there's "no threat".

So they have a right to be angry and defend there county.


There really is no threat beyond those of individual criminals with previous criminal histories, and how many of them are there among thousands and thousands?

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Postby Likar » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:15 pm

Kowani wrote:
Pannerstone wrote:This is hilariuos the people bitching about “ just let the government do it”

Are probably open border fans lets be real

Literally nobody has advocated open borders.

If they did, its a risky political move, and they could get attacked for all sides.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:16 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Are militias composed of citizens permitted by law to detain illegal immigrants, at all?


One would assume that a sort of citizens arrest thing would be at play here, and certain militias have been doing this since the mid 2000's and it's never been cracked down on so presumably it's legal.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:17 pm

Likar wrote:
Kowani wrote:Literally nobody has advocated open borders.

If they did, its a risky political move, and they could get attacked for all sides.

Seriously. See, this guy gets it!
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