New Mexico militia's detaining migrants.

[Medwind]

Even if we went with this ridiculous logic, the 2nd amendment says "security of a free state"

They are performing a security function.

NM’s government laws seem to disagree with that take however. If they aren’t endowed with the authority to detain immigrants, they are risking getting in trouble themselves.

Tbh, I'm unsure if NM laws actually support what the governor is saying.

[Pannerstone]

Even if we went with this ridiculous logic, the 2nd amendment says "security of a free state"

They are performing a security function.

NM’s government laws seem to disagree with that take however. If they aren’t endowed with the authority to detain immigrants, they are risking getting in trouble themselves.

Then maybe those who are endowed can do their job?

This is only happening because there is a failure to protect the border.

[Pannerstone]

Even if we went with this ridiculous logic, the 2nd amendment says "security of a free state"

They are performing a security function.

They weren't requested by the state to do it.

The militia isn't controlled by the State, your thinking about the National Guard, which is a state funded army.

[Medwind]

Even if we went with this ridiculous logic, the 2nd amendment says "security of a free state"

They are performing a security function.

They weren't requested by the state to do it.

Doesn't matter really, they are benefitting their fellow Americans by keeping these criminals out.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

can i join these militia? it would be cool to go up to the border and see an immigrant and "your under arrest" raise my guns and put them in jail.

[Ifreann]

Being in the US illegally isn't a crime either.

By using the word illegal, you acknowledged that it is a crime. How can you claim it isn’t if it’s illegal?

Because things can be illegal without being a crime. There is no criminal punishment associated with being in the US illegally. You aren't put on trial and sent to prison, just kicked out.

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Seeking asylum in the US is not a crime. Being in the US illegally isn't a crime either.

Detaining people without valid cause and brandishing guns to intimidate them? Those are crimes.

Even if we went with this ridiculous logic, the 2nd amendment says "security of a free state"

They are performing a security function.

No they aren't, they're assaulting people.

[Pannerstone]

can i join these militia? it would be cool to go up to the border and see an immigrant and "your under arrest" raise my guns and put them in jail.

You can join or make a militia at will, it is a free nation. Although you used the term "immigrant" that implies a legal resident, which is not the case here.

[Pannerstone]

By using the word illegal, you acknowledged that it is a crime. How can you claim it isn’t if it’s illegal?

Because things can be illegal without being a crime. There is no criminal punishment associated with being in the US illegally. You aren't put on trial and sent to prison, just kicked out.

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Even if we went with this ridiculous logic, the 2nd amendment says "security of a free state"

They are performing a security function.

No they aren't, they're assaulting people.

They detained them...relax

[Duhon]

This is the quiet cry of people who have had enough.
A relatively quiet one, but still a cry.

Enough what again? Of people very much in need fleeing to the safest place they know

[Samudera Darussalam]

can i join these militia? it would be cool to go up to the border and see an immigrant and "your under arrest" raise my guns and put them in jail.

A legal or illegal one? And do the militias in question really put them in jail?

[Pannerstone]

This is the quiet cry of people who have had enough.
A relatively quiet one, but still a cry.

Enough what again? Of people very much in need fleeing to the safest place they know

They penetrated American territory with legal cause, the militia is well within bounds to perform the function of "security of a free state" as laid out in the 2nd amendment

this shit is literally in black and white, or black and tan looking how old the constitution is.

[Inkopolitia]

This is the quiet cry of people who have had enough.
A relatively quiet one, but still a cry.

Enough what again? Of people very much in need fleeing to the safest place they know

Then do it legally. I have lived in 3 countries in my life, and I moved places legally, not going through the back door.

[Duhon]

They weren't requested by the state to do it.

Doesn't matter really, they are benefitting their fellow Americans by keeping these criminals out.

Convicted of trying their damned hardest to live, when they should've stayed put and died so we'd shed crocodile tears over them, or maybe dance upon their filthy graves, yes?

[Medwind]

By using the word illegal, you acknowledged that it is a crime. How can you claim it isn’t if it’s illegal?

Because things can be illegal without being a crime. There is no criminal punishment associated with being in the US illegally. You aren't put on trial and sent to prison, just kicked out.

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Even if we went with this ridiculous logic, the 2nd amendment says "security of a free state"

They are performing a security function.

No they aren't, they're assaulting people.

Detaining people does not equal assault. Illegal immigrants are criminals by the very definition of the word. The only reason we don't throw them in prison, is because it would be a massive burden on us, they are not our citizens, and it would cause an international incident. Maybe if we did throw them in prison it would set an example, and encourage those already here to leave, rather than face prison.

[Gormwood]

Ah, encouraging vigilantism. How long before a militiaman shoots some migrants and asylum seekers?

[Pannerstone]

Ah, encouraging vigilantism. How long before a militiaman shoots some migrants and asylum seekers?

Idk, depends when some cartel member gets caught and thinks he can get lucky?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

NM’s government laws seem to disagree with that take however. If they aren’t endowed with the authority to detain immigrants, they are risking getting in trouble themselves.

Tbh, I'm unsure if NM laws actually support what the governor is saying.

Border patrol has distanced itself from the actions of this group and are emphasizing that any detentions or arrests regarding illegal immigrants is their sole job, not one for groups of citizens.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html

[Ifreann]

Because things can be illegal without being a crime. There is no criminal punishment associated with being in the US illegally. You aren't put on trial and sent to prison, just kicked out.

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No they aren't, they're assaulting people.

They detained them...relax

Which is a crime.

[Pannerstone]

They detained them...relax

Which is a crime.

It is not a crime to detain them

[Medwind]

Doesn't matter really, they are benefitting their fellow Americans by keeping these criminals out.

Convicted of trying their damned hardest to live, when they should've stayed put and died so we'd shed crocodile tears over them, or maybe dance upon their filthy graves, yes?

They can live just fine elsewhere, instead of breaking our laws, I'm 100% sure that there are safe places south of the border, it's not the zombie apocalypse down there, they have some cartel gang violence, so what, so do we.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

can i join these militia? it would be cool to go up to the border and see an immigrant and "your under arrest" raise my guns and put them in jail.

You can join or make a militia at will, it is a free nation. Although you used the term "immigrant" that implies a legal resident, which is not the case here.

If someone speaks spanish and looks mexican and i see them crossing the border they are illegal by obvious logic the us is infinitely better than mexico and nobody does or should leave so if they cross the border period then they can be arrested.

[Medwind]

They detained them...relax

Which is a crime.

Yeah, no, pretty sure citizens arrest's aren't crimes.

[Pannerstone]

Tbh, I'm unsure if NM laws actually support what the governor is saying.

Border patrol has distanced itself from the actions of this group and are emphasizing that any detentions or arrests regarding illegal immigrants is their sole job, not one for groups of citizens.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html

Then do their job and the people wont have to resort to this, its literally a byproduct of weak border control.

[Ifreann]

Because things can be illegal without being a crime. There is no criminal punishment associated with being in the US illegally. You aren't put on trial and sent to prison, just kicked out.

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No they aren't, they're assaulting people.

Detaining people does not equal assault. Illegal immigrants are criminals by the very definition of the word. The only reason we don't throw them in prison, is because it would be a massive burden on us, they are not our citizens, and it would cause an international incident.

Everything you've just said is wrong.

Maybe if we did throw them in prison it would set an example, and encourage those already here to leave, rather than face prison.

Maybe concentrate on the criminals waving guns at people.

[NeoOasis]

From what I've heard, some of these militas are pretending to be the Border Patrol itself... last I checked impersonating a federal employee is illegal.

Frankly I'm not a fan of random white angry dudes deciding what is right and what is wrong. I'm feeling this is becoming a slippery slope... one I don't want to be on. If these people feel this strongly about immigration... maybe they should apply to be in a relevant agency instead of going around pretending to be Rambo in their own Clancy fantasy novel.