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Postby Communal concils » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:06 pm

Caracasus wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Pardon me if I find it highly futile to do such a thing in the presence of quite literally ANTIFA wannabees.


You said that you'd been compared to a klansman before without repurcussion. That implies either you reported it and it wasn't deemed trolling or whatever or you didn't feel it was worth reporting.

If it's the former, where is the link (quick search of moderation turns up zilch) and if it's the latter why bother bringing it up now?



Perhaps he forgotten where it was, or maybe he doean't want to be "Misrepresented".
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:07 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
You said that you'd been compared to a klansman before without repurcussion. That implies either you reported it and it wasn't deemed trolling or whatever or you didn't feel it was worth reporting.

If it's the former, where is the link (quick search of moderation turns up zilch) and if it's the latter why bother bringing it up now?



Perhaps he forgotten where it was, or maybe he doean't want to be "Misrepresented".


I actually did forget lol I post in a lot of general threads.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:08 pm

An objective outsider would label NS as a far-right forum right away.

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Postby Caracasus » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:09 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

Perhaps he forgotten where it was, or maybe he doean't want to be "Misrepresented".


I actually did forget lol I post in a lot of general threads.


That's absolutely fine then! Problem solved. Simply go on to your main nation page, scroll down to forum posts at the bottom and run a keyword search for klansman. You'll be able to find it in no time.

The great thing is actually anyone can do this on your nation page, not just you. I'd have a look myself but I can't really be arsed.
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Postby Andsed » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:09 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

Perhaps he forgotten where it was, or maybe he doean't want to be "Misrepresented".


I actually did forget lol I post in a lot of general threads.

So what were supposed to just believe what you say without any proof?
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:09 pm

Valrifell wrote:NSG maybe but the more outside you get the more right-wing the boards get.


Depends which boards. NS Sports is left-of-center on average.
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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:12 pm

Caracasus wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
I actually did forget lol I post in a lot of general threads.


That's absolutely fine then! Problem solved. Simply go on to your main nation page, scroll down to forum posts at the bottom and run a keyword search for klansman. You'll be able to find it in no time.

The great thing is actually anyone can do this on your nation page, not just you. I'd have a look myself but I can't really be arsed.

I had a skim under "klansman", "KKK", and "klan", and couldn't find anything that looked like that.
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:15 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
That's absolutely fine then! Problem solved. Simply go on to your main nation page, scroll down to forum posts at the bottom and run a keyword search for klansman. You'll be able to find it in no time.

The great thing is actually anyone can do this on your nation page, not just you. I'd have a look myself but I can't really be arsed.

I had a skim under "klansman", "KKK", and "klan", and couldn't find anything that looked like that.


Huh. Weird...
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:15 pm

Andsed wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
I actually did forget lol I post in a lot of general threads.

So what were supposed to just believe what you say without any proof?


No, you can believe I'm full of it for all I care :)
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:17 pm

Caracasus wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:I had a skim under "klansman", "KKK", and "klan", and couldn't find anything that looked like that.


Huh. Weird...


Totally,Absolutely, and Extremely interesting.
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:17 pm

Haha no.
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Postby Hakons » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:19 pm

Instead of relying on personal opinion on whether NSG has bias or not, we can use actual data. This was from 2018.

Great Minarchistan wrote:So, the poll was closed. 61 people answered, which isn't *that* good (could've expected some 100-150 there :P) but not that bad either. Few people voted likely due to the email thing, will try to address that somehow in the next census.
Results are the following:

Age:
13-15: 23%
16-18: 24.6%
19-25: 32.8%
26-40: 18%
41-59: 1.6%
60+: 0%
Average: 21.3 years old

Ethnicity:
White: 73.8%
Hispanic: 1.6%
Black: 4.9%
Native American: 6.6%
Asian: 8.2%
Other: 4.9%

Educational Level:
Elementary/Middle School: 14.8%
Partial HS: 23%
Complete HS: 19.7%
Bachelor's: 37.7%
Master's: 0%
PhD: 3.3%
Post-PhD: 0%
Associate's: 1.6%

Sex:
Female: 6.6%
Male: 86.9%
Trans: 6.6%

Sexual orientation:
Heterosexual: 57.4%
Homosexual: 13.1%
Bisexual: 21.3%
Asexual: 4.9%
Other: 3.3%

Location (by continent):
North America: 68.9%
Latin America: 1.6%
Africa: 0%
Europe: 26.2%
Asia: 3.3%
Oceania: 0%

Economic position:
Very left-wing (0-1): 9.8%
Left-wing (2-4): 52.5%
Centrist (5): 14.8%
Right-wing (6-8): 13.2%
Very right-wing (9-10): 9.8%
Average: 4.1 aka center-left

Societal position:
Very conservative (0-1): 13.1%
Conservative (2-4): 22.9%
Neutral (5): 3.3%
Liberal (6-8): 37.7%
Very liberal (9-10): 22.9%
Average: 5.9 aka moderately liberal

Religion:
Catholic: 23%
Protestant: 11.5%
Other Christian: 4.9%
Agnostic: 16.4%
Atheist: 31.1%
Islamic denominations: 3.3%
Other: 9.8%

Relationship status:
Single: 82%
Married: 4.9%
Divorced: 1.6%
Widowed: 0%
Civil Union: 0%
Other: 11.5%

Employment status:
Student: 62.3%
Retired: 0%
Employer/Self-employed: 3.3%
Employee, full time: 13.1%
Employee, part time: 9.8%
Unemployed: 9.8%
Other: 1.6%

Income levels:
Wealthy: 1.6%
Upper middle: 31.1%
Middle middle: 31.1%
Lower middle: 18%
Poor: 18%
Average: middle middle class, slight uptick with upper middle

The average profile of the NSG user: 21 year old, white male. Lives in North America, currently studying for its Bachelor degree in college. Politically and religiously, "Gen" identifies himself as a center-left liberal that isn't very fond of religion, being therefore interested in atheism. When it comes to relationships, he is single and straight but with a somewhat bisexual leaning.



Basically yea, those were the results. However, with the ability of accessing individual data provided by Google Forms I can plot correlation charts such as income vs economic leaning. Just tell me here and I'll gladly provide the data :D


It's a pretty low sample size, so not sure how representative the sample is of the population (especially considering the high percentage of North American and low percentage of heterosexuality). This "census" shows a left-wing bias, both socially and economically. But take it with a grain of salt, considering sampling issues. Bias also suggests NS is supposed to be representative of something.
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:21 pm

Cekoviu wrote:Haha no.


Your right. All you have to do is look at the Right-Wing discussion thread, and you'll find many( large amounta) of Right-Wingers. It out numbered the left-wing discussion thread. I see right-wingers everywhere, so the Leftist don't have a monopoly on the website.
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Postby Cosmicium » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:22 pm

Nope, it's Perfectly BalancedTM.
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:24 pm

Hakons wrote:Instead of relying on personal opinion on whether NSG has bias or not, we can use actual data. This was from 2018.

Great Minarchistan wrote:So, the poll was closed. 61 people answered, which isn't *that* good (could've expected some 100-150 there :P) but not that bad either. Few people voted likely due to the email thing, will try to address that somehow in the next census.
Results are the following:

Age:
13-15: 23%
16-18: 24.6%
19-25: 32.8%
26-40: 18%
41-59: 1.6%
60+: 0%
Average: 21.3 years old

Ethnicity:
White: 73.8%
Hispanic: 1.6%
Black: 4.9%
Native American: 6.6%
Asian: 8.2%
Other: 4.9%

Educational Level:
Elementary/Middle School: 14.8%
Partial HS: 23%
Complete HS: 19.7%
Bachelor's: 37.7%
Master's: 0%
PhD: 3.3%
Post-PhD: 0%
Associate's: 1.6%

Sex:
Female: 6.6%
Male: 86.9%
Trans: 6.6%

Sexual orientation:
Heterosexual: 57.4%
Homosexual: 13.1%
Bisexual: 21.3%
Asexual: 4.9%
Other: 3.3%

Location (by continent):
North America: 68.9%
Latin America: 1.6%
Africa: 0%
Europe: 26.2%
Asia: 3.3%
Oceania: 0%

Economic position:
Very left-wing (0-1): 9.8%
Left-wing (2-4): 52.5%
Centrist (5): 14.8%
Right-wing (6-8): 13.2%
Very right-wing (9-10): 9.8%
Average: 4.1 aka center-left

Societal position:
Very conservative (0-1): 13.1%
Conservative (2-4): 22.9%
Neutral (5): 3.3%
Liberal (6-8): 37.7%
Very liberal (9-10): 22.9%
Average: 5.9 aka moderately liberal

Religion:
Catholic: 23%
Protestant: 11.5%
Other Christian: 4.9%
Agnostic: 16.4%
Atheist: 31.1%
Islamic denominations: 3.3%
Other: 9.8%

Relationship status:
Single: 82%
Married: 4.9%
Divorced: 1.6%
Widowed: 0%
Civil Union: 0%
Other: 11.5%

Employment status:
Student: 62.3%
Retired: 0%
Employer/Self-employed: 3.3%
Employee, full time: 13.1%
Employee, part time: 9.8%
Unemployed: 9.8%
Other: 1.6%

Income levels:
Wealthy: 1.6%
Upper middle: 31.1%
Middle middle: 31.1%
Lower middle: 18%
Poor: 18%
Average: middle middle class, slight uptick with upper middle

The average profile of the NSG user: 21 year old, white male. Lives in North America, currently studying for its Bachelor degree in college. Politically and religiously, "Gen" identifies himself as a center-left liberal that isn't very fond of religion, being therefore interested in atheism. When it comes to relationships, he is single and straight but with a somewhat bisexual leaning.



Basically yea, those were the results. However, with the ability of accessing individual data provided by Google Forms I can plot correlation charts such as income vs economic leaning. Just tell me here and I'll gladly provide the data :D


It's a pretty low sample size, so not sure how representative the sample is of the population (especially considering the high percentage of North American and low percentage of heterosexuality). This "census" shows a left-wing bias, both socially and economically. But take it with a grain of salt, considering sampling issues. Bias also suggests NS is supposed to be representative of something.


Sample size is very, very low. If we take the number of WA nations as a rough indicator of number of players (24787) then unless my maths is way off this survey included a whopping 0.2 per cent of players...
As an editor I seam to spend an awful lot of thyme going threw issues and checking that they're no oblivious errars. Its a tough job but someone's got too do it!



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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:25 pm

Cosmicium wrote:Nope, it's Perfectly BalancedTM.

As all things should be.
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:25 pm

Caracasus wrote:
Hakons wrote:Instead of relying on personal opinion on whether NSG has bias or not, we can use actual data. This was from 2018.



It's a pretty low sample size, so not sure how representative the sample is of the population (especially considering the high percentage of North American and low percentage of heterosexuality). This "census" shows a left-wing bias, both socially and economically. But take it with a grain of salt, considering sampling issues. Bias also suggests NS is supposed to be representative of something.


Sample size is very, very low. If we take the number of WA nations as a rough indicator of number of players (24787) then unless my maths is way off this survey included a whopping 0.2 per cent of players...



I actually 100% buy this sampling, sounds exactly right and explains a lot of why we have so many pro-antifa types.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:26 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Sample size is very, very low. If we take the number of WA nations as a rough indicator of number of players (24787) then unless my maths is way off this survey included a whopping 0.2 per cent of players...



I actually 100% buy this sampling, sounds exactly right and explains a lot of why we have so many pro-antifa types.

Are you gona link to your Klansman comparison?
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:27 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Sample size is very, very low. If we take the number of WA nations as a rough indicator of number of players (24787) then unless my maths is way off this survey included a whopping 0.2 per cent of players...



I actually 100% buy this sampling, sounds exactly right and explains a lot of why we have so many pro-antifa types.


But which one accused you of being a Klansman?
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Postby Hakons » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:28 pm

Caracasus wrote:Sample size is very, very low. If we take the number of WA nations as a rough indicator of number of players (24787) then unless my maths is way off this survey included a whopping 0.2 per cent of players...


The "census" isn't a very good source, obviously, but it's better than the rest of the thread, where everyone's just basing the perceived left or right wing bias off of their own personal views.
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:28 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:

I actually 100% buy this sampling, sounds exactly right and explains a lot of why we have so many pro-antifa types.

Are you gona link to your Klansman comparison?


I already stated that I don't remember where it was posted, were past that.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:29 pm

Caracasus wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:

I actually 100% buy this sampling, sounds exactly right and explains a lot of why we have so many pro-antifa types.


But which one accused you of being a Klansman?
I tried searching on general for it, and the only posts that include his name and Klansman are on this thread. And most involving KKK are him himself mentioning those letters from what i have gathered.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:29 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Are you gona link to your Klansman comparison?


I already stated that I don't remember where it was posted, were past that.

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Postby Risottia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:30 pm

Nazeroth wrote:been here since 07(actually turned me into a marxist for awhile)

answer? It's left-wing but not extremley, I will however say that the Moderators absolutely shield leftists on this site.

They will defend leftists and then go " You can't use this situation in the reverse, that's actionable" utter bullshit.

That's because we commies bribe the Mods with superior-quality vodka and caviar.
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:30 pm

Hakons wrote:
Caracasus wrote:Sample size is very, very low. If we take the number of WA nations as a rough indicator of number of players (24787) then unless my maths is way off this survey included a whopping 0.2 per cent of players...


The "census" isn't a very good source, obviously, but it's better than the rest of the thread, where everyone's just basing the perceived left or right wing bias off of their own personal views.


Oh it is an interesting idea alright, a shame there were so few participents really.

I'd possibly suggest there's a level of bias in the questions themselves regarding political leanings too - although that's impossible to really get rid of.
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