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Postby Communal concils » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:30 pm

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Sample size is very, very low. If we take the number of WA nations as a rough indicator of number of players (24787) then unless my maths is way off this survey included a whopping 0.2 per cent of players...



I actually 100% buy this sampling, sounds exactly right and explains a lot of why we have so many pro-antifa types.



So your saying that the majority of users are a stereotype of a social anarchist. The people that bash things, is extremely white and bourgeoisie , and is a Millennial college student.

If So, then that's interesting. Just so you know, I'm a Socialist that hates Antifa. So Left-wing bias would only depend on the type of leftist. The Left is not a unified group.
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:32 pm

Communal concils wrote:
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I actually 100% buy this sampling, sounds exactly right and explains a lot of why we have so many pro-antifa types.



So your saying that the majority of users are a stereotype of a social anarchist. The people that bash things, is extremely white and bourgeoisie , and is a Millennial college student.

If So, then that's interesting. Just so you know, I'm a Socialist that hates Antifa. So Left-wing bias would only depend on the type of leftist. The Left is not a unified group.


I mean...have you seen ANTIFA? it's actually pretty young and pretty damn white.

I wouldn't say the majority of users(nor did I say that) but I do think it explains why we do have those individuals on NS.
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:33 pm

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But which one accused you of being a Klansman?
I tried searching on general for it, and the only posts that include his name and Klansman are on this thread. And most involving KKK are him himself mentioning those letters from what i have gathered.


Had a bit of a scan using keywords from their origonal post too - they said they told someone to wear a KGB badge. No results for those words. Nothing for robes or robe aside from unrelated posts on a different topic...

I'm going out on a limb and suggesting that this entite thing might not be entirely true...
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:34 pm

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:I tried searching on general for it, and the only posts that include his name and Klansman are on this thread. And most involving KKK are him himself mentioning those letters from what i have gathered.


Had a bit of a scan using keywords from their origonal post too - they said they told someone to wear a KGB badge. No results for those words. Nothing for robes or robe aside from unrelated posts on a different topic...

I'm going out on a limb and suggesting that this entite thing might not be entirely true...


probably from one of my other accounts, I use them for roleplays, sometimes NS general
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Postby North Arkana » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:35 pm

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Cekoviu wrote:Haha no.


Your right. All you have to do is look at the Right-Wing discussion thread, and you'll find many( large amounta) of Right-Wingers. It out numbered the left-wing discussion thread. I see right-wingers everywhere, so the Leftist don't have a monopoly on the website.

I mean, this could also just mean the people using the RWDT are less willing to handle the larger left-leaning population disagreeing with them in more general or specific event related threads.

Trying to make a statement with only a single data point leaves it very open to personal interpretation.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:36 pm

I'd say that there are more people that are left-wing than right here (but that's just my experience) but not that there's a left-wing bias. Also antifa is not a terrorist group.

I haven't been in the WA for a long time so I wouldn't know anything about that.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:37 pm

No. At least not in any major sense. I guess NSG has a bit of a left leaning bias due to alot of members having views that lean that way. But there are plenty of right wing people on the site as well, to the point where it feels relatively balanced out.
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:41 pm

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Had a bit of a scan using keywords from their origonal post too - they said they told someone to wear a KGB badge. No results for those words. Nothing for robes or robe aside from unrelated posts on a different topic...

I'm going out on a limb and suggesting that this entite thing might not be entirely true...


probably from one of my other accounts, I use them for roleplays, sometimes NS general


Lucky you included the detail about the KGB badge then, because a quick search of General posts containing that term also only shows up this thread and a half dozen other very unrelated comments.

It's probably best not to make up stuff on an online forum when anyone can check and see if you're telling the truth or not.
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:41 pm

Caracasus wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
probably from one of my other accounts, I use them for roleplays, sometimes NS general


Lucky you included the detail about the KGB badge then, because a quick search of General posts containing that term also only shows up this thread and a half dozen other very unrelated comments.

It's probably best not to make up stuff on an online forum when anyone can check and see if you're telling the truth or not.


viewtopic.php?f=16&t=462086#p35500384

You were saying?

it was implied that I would be punished if I would do the exact same thing in the reverse.
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:45 pm

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Your right. All you have to do is look at the Right-Wing discussion thread, and you'll find many( large amounta) of Right-Wingers. It out numbered the left-wing discussion thread. I see right-wingers everywhere, so the Leftist don't have a monopoly on the website.

I mean, this could also just mean the people using the RWDT are less willing to handle the larger left-leaning population disagreeing with them in more general or specific event related threads.

Trying to make a statement with only a single data point leaves it very open to personal interpretation.




1.well, I've seen other threads that right wingers dominate in. I don't think that the leftist have most of the controls, but rather that they have a large voice. A large voice that creates the illusion of a dominate group.

2. I have no problems with this. Though, I only mention RWDT because it's one of the threads that I remember the most. I don't see it as the ultimate thing to decide who " controls" the website.
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:47 pm

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Lucky you included the detail about the KGB badge then, because a quick search of General posts containing that term also only shows up this thread and a half dozen other very unrelated comments.

It's probably best not to make up stuff on an online forum when anyone can check and see if you're telling the truth or not.


viewtopic.php?f=16&t=462086#p35500384

You were saying?


That's your evidence for left wing bias? A bit of snark? Alright, I stand corrected, someone sarcasticaly compared you to a klan member but hell, that's more an indicator of how snarky NSG is than anything else.
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:48 pm

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That's your evidence for left wing bias? A bit of snark? Alright, I stand corrected, someone sarcasticaly compared you to a klan member but hell, that's more an indicator of how snarky NSG is than anything else.


It was implied I would be punished if I were to do the exact same thing.

at least you can stand corrected, for that I give you some respect.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:50 pm

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That's your evidence for left wing bias? A bit of snark? Alright, I stand corrected, someone sarcasticaly compared you to a klan member but hell, that's more an indicator of how snarky NSG is than anything else.


It was implied I would be punished if I were to do the exact same thing.

at least you can stand corrected, for that I give you some respect.

The only thing you can take from this is that, in this specific case, the content was ruled not actionable. Cases are treated individually, based on their context and content. Trying to use one ruling on a specific circumstance and incident to attempt to justify acting a certain way in another circumstance/incident will do nothing spare prove how poor of an idea that is.
You would be warned for attempting to use this ruling in a single case to justify doing it to other people in the future via rules lawyering, says right there.
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:50 pm

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That's your evidence for left wing bias? A bit of snark? Alright, I stand corrected, someone sarcasticaly compared you to a klan member but hell, that's more an indicator of how snarky NSG is than anything else.


It was implied I would be punished if I were to do the exact same thing.

at least you can stand corrected, for that I give you some respect.


Where was that implied? The mods said, as they always always do, that they don't rule on hypotheticals and that 'they did it first!' Isn't a defense. That's been their position since forever.
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Postby North Arkana » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:50 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
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That's your evidence for left wing bias? A bit of snark? Alright, I stand corrected, someone sarcasticaly compared you to a klan member but hell, that's more an indicator of how snarky NSG is than anything else.


It was implied I would be punished if I were to do the exact same thing.

at least you can stand corrected, for that I give you some respect.

"We do not rule on hypotheticals." = implied I would be punished, to you?

Yeesh.
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:51 pm

Caracasus wrote:
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It was implied I would be punished if I were to do the exact same thing.

at least you can stand corrected, for that I give you some respect.


Where was that implied? The mods said, as they always always do, that they don't rule on hypotheticals and that 'they did it first!' Isn't a defense. That's been their position since forever.


That's fine, but if that were the case, they would have done something about the klan comment then.

it has nothing to do with "they did it first"

they were willing to punish one person and accept another, that's the entire damn point, it's not hard to figure out.
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Postby Miharr » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:52 pm

Medwind wrote:I think so, the WA is obviously left wing, crushing most right wing proposals out the gate, the mods are mostly leftists, I've only seen them ban right-wingers, and never seen them give adverse reaction to leftist trolls, although, I might not have been paying attention, and am slightly biased. The majority of the site is left wing, etc. etc. see original dispatch, overall, I'd say yes, although not to a huge extent or anything. Why no poll?


When it comes to a lot of left wing proposals, they are also often crushed.

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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:53 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
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Where was that implied? The mods said, as they always always do, that they don't rule on hypotheticals and that 'they did it first!' Isn't a defense. That's been their position since forever.


That's fine, but if that were the case, they would have done something about the klan comment then.

it has nothing to do with "they did it first"

they were willing to punish one person and accept another, that's the entire damn point, it's not hard to figure out.

You know, this is the type of thread where I would really like to hear a mod’s opinion on the dispatch, just to get all sides
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:53 pm

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It was implied I would be punished if I were to do the exact same thing.

at least you can stand corrected, for that I give you some respect.

"We do not rule on hypotheticals." = implied I would be punished, to you?

Yeesh.


Trying to use one ruling on a specific circumstance and incident to attempt to justify acting a certain way in another circumstance/incident will do nothing spare prove how poor of an idea that is.

yes, it is implied
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:53 pm

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So your saying that the majority of users are a stereotype of a social anarchist. The people that bash things, is extremely white and bourgeoisie , and is a Millennial college student.

If So, then that's interesting. Just so you know, I'm a Socialist that hates Antifa. So Left-wing bias would only depend on the type of leftist. The Left is not a unified group.


I mean...have you seen ANTIFA? it's actually pretty young and pretty damn white.

I wouldn't say the majority of users(nor did I say that) but I do think it explains why we do have those individuals on NS.



Well I don't see this stereotype as a bad thing, since most anarchist in the west are that. Which explains why anarchism has barely been widespread as other left-wing movements had been.

There are many like that. I do agree that there are many like that, and I've deal with many such individuals on my first thread(which attracted many of them).
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:53 pm

Our user base is unbalanced in every sense of the world.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:54 pm

Miharr wrote:
Medwind wrote:I think so, the WA is obviously left wing, crushing most right wing proposals out the gate, the mods are mostly leftists, I've only seen them ban right-wingers, and never seen them give adverse reaction to leftist trolls, although, I might not have been paying attention, and am slightly biased. The majority of the site is left wing, etc. etc. see original dispatch, overall, I'd say yes, although not to a huge extent or anything. Why no poll?


When it comes to a lot of left wing proposals, they are also often crushed.

That is true, but he mentioned the ANTIFA one, which had all the reasons to pass, but voting blocks barred it
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Postby North Arkana » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:55 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
North Arkana wrote:"We do not rule on hypotheticals." = implied I would be punished, to you?

Yeesh.


Trying to use one ruling on a specific circumstance and incident to attempt to justify acting a certain way in another circumstance/incident will do nothing spare prove how poor of an idea that is.

yes, it is implied

Did you miss the part where because you asked if you would be allowed to get away with something, that would be taken into context of whether you were trolling or not if the case was ever presented to them? Yes? No? Purposefully ignored?
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:56 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Our user base is unbalanced in every sense of the world.



Which is why it's bad to see this through the eyes of Centrist.
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:57 pm

North Arkana wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Trying to use one ruling on a specific circumstance and incident to attempt to justify acting a certain way in another circumstance/incident will do nothing spare prove how poor of an idea that is.

yes, it is implied

Did you miss the part where because you asked if you would be allowed to get away with something, that would be taken into context of whether you were trolling or not if the case was ever presented to them? Yes? No? Purposefully ignored?


That dosn't matter, it sets a precedent, if he can say something then I should be able to do the exact same, that is bullshit your suckering up to.

If you call me a piece of dogshit then it shouldn't be a problem for me to call you a cock meat sandwich, it's that simple.

It just shows the bias.
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