Conservative Speaker Attacked at UMKC

[Kowani]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Last time I've heard, being sprayed with lavender oil as a consequence of perpetuating nonsensical canards against transgender communities by someone who is not an authority figure, nor is he/she involved in the legislature, does not constitute congress banning you from saying XYZ.

So as long as congres doesn't do it it's fine to attack political opponents? Oh boy Freikorps here we come...

This, of course, would get you charged with assault.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

I mean, you have continually doubled down on the same ideology worthy of dismissal, is it surprising that dismissal is predictable?

Dismissal is violence!

Dismissal (Of someone's identity and self, in this case, the trans community) begets dehumanization and restricton of rights which in turn begets violence as it bypasses humans's natural aversion towards murder. Nobody here said dismissal directly leads to violence, and you don't have to shout "KILL THE DAMN TR*NNIES" to normalize aversion towards em.

[Liriena]

pickles, cat ears and steamed flags?

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Sankara. Thomas Sankara did nothing wrong. o7

[Ors Might]

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Sankara. Thomas Sankara did nothing wrong. o7

Cat girls/lads/friends were a mistake.

[Zizou]

Yes, violence against trans people is bad. It's also bad to take action against someone because of their speech.

If said speech helps perpetuate anti-transgender pogroms against innocent people who just seek to live a life of peace without being forced to hide who they are, then it should definitely not be above consequences or the law. There is a reason why Germany is so harsh against any expression of radical opinions, right or left, because they know that allowing said opinions to fester freely is what got em Weimar, several attempted military coups by anti-democratic extremists, and then a complete nightmare.

But yeah, we must not disrupt the free marketplace of ideas under any circumstances, even against aiding and abetting perpetuation of murders based on your XYZ, righto?

I never said that such a speech is good, I'm merely saying that the correct response is to speak out against what he's saying. Squirting lavender oil does nothing, and helps no one.

[The Ferenghi]

If said speech helps perpetuate anti-transgender pogroms against innocent people who just seek to live a life of peace without being forced to hide who they are, then it should definitely not be above consequences or the law. There is a reason why Germany is so harsh against any expression of radical opinions, right or left, because they know that allowing said opinions to fester freely is what got em Weimar, several attempted military coups by anti-democratic extremists, and then a complete nightmare.

But yeah, we must not disrupt the free marketplace of ideas under any circumstances, even against aiding and abetting perpetuation of murders based on your XYZ, righto?

Thank god we’re not Germany and have first amendment.

Give it time, the left will do to the first amendment what they have done to everything they touch. Turn it to s**t

[Torrocca]

... I'm saying that they were legitimately hate-based subreddits, in addition to being disliked.



Or maybe don't immediately dismiss the observable fact that speeches which normalize hate do, in fact, normalize hate and, in turn, lead to increases of violence.

But nah, like I said earlier, words totally can't affect anything whatsoever.

Yes, because words that don't advocate violence are more violent than violence.

Do you ever get tired of repeating silly things or is it fun for you?

Maybe try actually reading my words instead of constructing strawmen, eh?

I'm not saying words that don't advocate violence are, by them fucking selves, violent. I'm saying that words which advocate some form of hatred toward a group of people, which are being spread in a public manner toward a larger audience, NORMALIZE HATE, which in turn LEADS to an increase in violence. Context is fucking important, and so are the words being spoken.

[Liriena]

Thank god we’re not Germany and have first amendment.

Give it time, the left will do to the first amendment what they have done to everything they touch. Turn it to s**t

The left aren't the ones who tried to pass a law forbidding people from boycotting Israel. :^)

[Torrocca]

... Evidently a subreddit called r/fatepeoplehate is only subjectively hateful.

Lots of things are hateful, nothing inherently wrong with hate.

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Context is important, famalam. You could've just, y'know, read the article I linked to understand what I'm talking about.

[Ors Might]

If said speech helps perpetuate anti-transgender pogroms against innocent people who just seek to live a life of peace without being forced to hide who they are, then it should definitely not be above consequences or the law. There is a reason why Germany is so harsh against any expression of radical opinions, right or left, because they know that allowing said opinions to fester freely is what got em Weimar, several attempted military coups by anti-democratic extremists, and then a complete nightmare.

But yeah, we must not disrupt the free marketplace of ideas under any circumstances, even against aiding and abetting perpetuation of murders based on your XYZ, righto?

I never said that such a speech is good, I'm merely saying that the correct response is to speak out against what he's saying. Squirting lavender oil does nothing, and helps no one.

That takes effort though. It’s not in fashion to endeavor to change anything, when you can just throw shit instead. Sometimes literally.

[Telconi]

Dismissal is violence!

Dismissal (Of someone's identity and self, in this case, the trans community) begets dehumanization and restricton of rights which in turn begets violence as it bypasses humans's natural aversion towards murder. Nobody here said dismissal directly leads to violence, and you don't have to shout "KILL THE DAMN TR*NNIES" to normalize aversion towards em.

Must have missed the part where "Kill the damn tr*nnies" came out of his mouth. Shit man, how do you even pronounce "tr*nnies?"

[Loben]

Give it time, the left will do to the first amendment what they have done to everything they touch. Turn it to s**t

The left aren't the ones who tried to pass a law forbidding people from boycotting Israel. :^)

Can’t boycotte Palestine since the idf is already blockading it.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Last time I've heard, being sprayed with lavender oil as a consequence of perpetuating nonsensical canards against transgender communities by someone who is not an authority figure, nor is he/she involved in the legislature, does not constitute congress banning you from saying XYZ.

So as long as congres doesn't do it it's fine to attack political opponents? Oh boy Freikorps here we come...

Considering the Freikorps were openly funded by Friedrich Ebert's government and the rightwing to suppress the Bavarian Spartacists and forcefully massacre socialists (As happened to Luxemburg) in the streets, that would be definitely classified as a violation of the First Amendment according to the text (Which prohibits the U.S. government from persecuting citizens solely on the basis of their speech). Not much of an argument now, was it?

[Ors Might]

Dismissal (Of someone's identity and self, in this case, the trans community) begets dehumanization and restricton of rights which in turn begets violence as it bypasses humans's natural aversion towards murder. Nobody here said dismissal directly leads to violence, and you don't have to shout "KILL THE DAMN TR*NNIES" to normalize aversion towards em.

Must have missed the part where "Kill the damn tr*nnies" came out of his mouth. Shit man, how do you even pronounce "tr*nnies?"

How good is your dial up?

[Kowani]

Thank god we’re not Germany and have first amendment.

Give it time, the left will do to the first amendment what they have done to everything they touch. Turn it to s**t

Reminder that liberals are responsible for the existence of the Bill of Rights in the first place.

[Liriena]

Lots of things are hateful, nothing inherently wrong with hate.

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Context is important, famalam. You could've just, y'know, read the article I linked to understand what I'm talking about.

Nuance is for cucks. Politics should be approached in terms as simplistic, shallow, incurious and lacking in context as humanly possible. [nods]

[Telconi]

Lots of things are hateful, nothing inherently wrong with hate.

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Context is important, famalam. You could've just, y'know, read the article I linked to understand what I'm talking about.

News flash, it's possible to read a thing, and still think it's bullshit.

[Telconi]

Give it time, the left will do to the first amendment what they have done to everything they touch. Turn it to s**t

Reminder that liberals are responsible for the existence of the Bill of Rights in the first place.

Indeed, your point?

[Ors Might]

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Context is important, famalam. You could've just, y'know, read the article I linked to understand what I'm talking about.

Nuance is for cucks. Politics should be approached in terms as simplistic, shallow, incurious and lacking in context as humanly possible. [nods]

Throwing glitterbombs at your opponents doesn’t contribute much in the ways of nuanced discussion though.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

Dismissal (Of someone's identity and self, in this case, the trans community) begets dehumanization and restricton of rights which in turn begets violence as it bypasses humans's natural aversion towards murder. Nobody here said dismissal directly leads to violence, and you don't have to shout "KILL THE DAMN TR*NNIES" to normalize aversion towards em.

Must have missed the part where "Kill the damn tr*nnies" came out of his mouth. Shit man, how do you even pronounce "tr*nnies?"

That's the entire point though. One doesn't have to directly shout "GAS AND KILL THE TRANNIES" to unwittingly galvanize hateful sentiment and canards against them. Have you ever heard of dogwhistles?

[Loben]

Give it time, the left will do to the first amendment what they have done to everything they touch. Turn it to s**t

Reminder that liberals are responsible for the existence of the Bill of Rights in the first place.

Would be called, racists, misogynists by today’s left.

[Kowani]

Reminder that liberals are responsible for the existence of the Bill of Rights in the first place.

Indeed, your point?

Oh, I’m just rejecting the idea that the left automatically destroys everything it touches.

[Telconi]

Must have missed the part where "Kill the damn tr*nnies" came out of his mouth. Shit man, how do you even pronounce "tr*nnies?"

That's the entire point though. One doesn't have to directly shout "GAS AND KILL THE TRANNIES" to unwittingly galvanize hateful sentiment and canards against them. Have you ever heard of dogwhistles?

Oh, right, there are secret messages to his speech that only you know. Perhaps I need to play the record backwards to hear them? Or are they written on the back of tdd he Declaration of Independence?

[Zizou]

Must have missed the part where "Kill the damn tr*nnies" came out of his mouth. Shit man, how do you even pronounce "tr*nnies?"

That's the entire point though. One doesn't have to directly shout "GAS AND KILL THE TRANNIES" to unwittingly galvanize hateful sentiment and canards against them. Have you ever heard of dogwhistles?

And the best way to counter such hateful sentiment is to speak against it, not squirt lavender oil.

[Korasta]

What, was he allergic to liquid bath-bombs or something?