Conservative Speaker Attacked at UMKC

[Loben]

Yes, violence against trans people is bad. It's also bad to take action against someone because of their speech.

If said speech helps perpetuate anti-transgender pogroms against innocent people who just seek to live a life of peace without being forced to hide who they are, then it should definitely not be above consequences or the law. There is a reason why Germany is so harsh against any expression of radical opinions, right or left, because they know that allowing said opinions to fester freely is what got em Weimar, several attempted military coups by anti-democratic extremists, and then a complete nightmare.

But yeah, we must not disrupt the free marketplace of ideas under any circumstances, even against aiding and abetting perpetuation of murders based on your XYZ, righto?

Thank god we’re not Germany and have first amendment.

[Scomagia]

Stocks and stones sounds pretty kinky.

Only if you’re into snuff

Hey, you never said what size of stone.

[Umpus]

Well, he wasn't calling for violence, so...

It doesn't fucking matter if he was or wasn't directly calling for violence if his words still help to normalize hate.

What has society come to?
really.

[Telconi]

You might have a point if we existed at any point in time than the one we have right now. The internet is an open platform in the extreme. Now more than ever, the ability to analyze your opponent’s ideology and pick apart its flaws is vital.


Not really. Both worlds overlap and are equally in danger from Nazism.

Actually, shutting down hate groups and whatnot still works even on the internet.

"""Hate groups""" are whatever people dislike, I'd rather not have opinions contrary to yours ve treated to suppression thank you very much.

[Torrocca]

Actually, shutting down hate groups and whatnot still works even on the internet.

I would not celebrate. Reddit is hardly a majority or even a plurality of internet traffic.

Besides, hatred need not be overt in order to spread and do damage.

I'm just saying. The observation there definitely shows a reduction in hate speech being spread.

SImple: Knowles' speech, had it been unchecked, would've helped to normalize hatred, which in turn would've begotten more violence.

Like I said, it literally doesn't fucking matter if he was or wasn't directly advocating for violence if at the end of the day his words end up normalizing the idea that it's okay to hate and discriminate against an entire part of society.

Blah blah blah, words are more violent than violence and normalize violence more than violence does.

*yawn*

How tedious.

How predictably dismissive.

[Loben]

Only if you’re into snuff

Hey, you never said what size of stone.

Lets start with dinner plate and work our way down.

[Torrocca]

Actually, shutting down hate groups and whatnot still works even on the internet.

"""Hate groups""" are whatever people dislike, I'd rather not have opinions contrary to yours ve treated to suppression thank you very much.

... I wouldn't say the subreddits that were banned were just "whatever people dislike".

[Scomagia]

It doesn't fucking matter if he was or wasn't directly calling for violence if his words still help to normalize hate.

What has society come to?
really.

Remember, words normalize violence but violence doesn't normalize violence if it's violence against those that Torrocca dislikes.

[Ors Might]

I would not celebrate. Reddit is hardly a majority or even a plurality of internet traffic.

Besides, hatred need not be overt in order to spread and do damage.

I'm just saying. The observation there definitely shows a reduction in hate speech being spread.

Blah blah blah, words are more violent than violence and normalize violence more than violence does.

*yawn*

How tedious.

How predictably dismissive.

Not really. That assumes that the ideology is rigid and unable to adapt in order to spread in changing environments.

[Telconi]

"""Hate groups""" are whatever people dislike, I'd rather not have opinions contrary to yours ve treated to suppression thank you very much.

... I wouldn't say the subreddits that were banned were just "whatever people dislike".

They weren't disliked? Odd flex, but okay.

[Telconi]

I would not celebrate. Reddit is hardly a majority or even a plurality of internet traffic.

Besides, hatred need not be overt in order to spread and do damage.

I'm just saying. The observation there definitely shows a reduction in hate speech being spread.

Blah blah blah, words are more violent than violence and normalize violence more than violence does.

*yawn*

How tedious.

How predictably dismissive.

I mean, you have continually doubled down on the same ideology worthy of dismissal, is it surprising that dismissal is predictable?

[Scomagia]

I would not celebrate. Reddit is hardly a majority or even a plurality of internet traffic.

Besides, hatred need not be overt in order to spread and do damage.

I'm just saying. The observation there definitely shows a reduction in hate speech being spread.

Blah blah blah, words are more violent than violence and normalize violence more than violence does.

*yawn*

How tedious.

How predictably dismissive.

Well bud, stupid opinions can only be met with seriousness for so long. Say something reasonable and I won't be dismissive.

[Scomagia]

I'm just saying. The observation there definitely shows a reduction in hate speech being spread.



How predictably dismissive.

I mean, you have continually doubled down on the same ideology worthy of dismissal, is it surprising that dismissal is predictable?

Dismissal is violence!

[Scomagia]

Hey, you never said what size of stone.

Lets start with dinner plate and work our way down.

Ouchie. Let's say pebble sized and get back on topic.

[Torrocca]

... I wouldn't say the subreddits that were banned were just "whatever people dislike".

They weren't disliked? Odd flex, but okay.

... I'm saying that they were legitimately hate-based subreddits, in addition to being disliked.

I'm just saying. The observation there definitely shows a reduction in hate speech being spread.



How predictably dismissive.

Well bud, stupid opinions can only be met with seriousness for so long. Say something reasonable and I won't be dismissive.

Or maybe don't immediately dismiss the observable fact that speeches which normalize hate do, in fact, normalize hate and, in turn, lead to increases of violence.

But nah, like I said earlier, words totally can't affect anything whatsoever.

[Telconi]

They weren't disliked? Odd flex, but okay.

... I'm saying that they were legitimately hate-based subreddits, in addition to being disliked.

Well bud, stupid opinions can only be met with seriousness for so long. Say something reasonable and I won't be dismissive.

Or maybe don't immediately dismiss the observable fact that speeches which normalize hate do, in fact, normalize hate and, in turn, lead to increases of violence.

But nah, like I said earlier, words totally can't affect anything whatsoever.

"It's not my opinion because I legitimately hold that opinion!"

Okayyyy dude...

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

If said speech helps perpetuate anti-transgender pogroms against innocent people who just seek to live a life of peace without being forced to hide who they are, then it should definitely not be above consequences or the law. There is a reason why Germany is so harsh against any expression of radical opinions, right or left, because they know that allowing said opinions to fester freely is what got em Weimar, several attempted military coups by anti-democratic extremists, and then a complete nightmare.

But yeah, we must not disrupt the free marketplace of ideas under any circumstances, even against aiding and abetting perpetuation of murders based on your XYZ, righto?

Thank god we’re not Germany and have first amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Last time I've heard, being sprayed with lavender oil as a consequence of perpetuating nonsensical canards against transgender communities by someone who is not an authority figure, nor is he/she involved in the legislature, does not constitute congress banning you from saying XYZ.

[Torrocca]

... I'm saying that they were legitimately hate-based subreddits, in addition to being disliked.



Or maybe don't immediately dismiss the observable fact that speeches which normalize hate do, in fact, normalize hate and, in turn, lead to increases of violence.

But nah, like I said earlier, words totally can't affect anything whatsoever.

"It's not my opinion because I legitimately hold that opinion!"

Okayyyy dude...

... Evidently a subreddit called r/fatepeoplehate is only subjectively hateful.

[Liriena]

trans ideology

pickles, cat ears and steamed flags?

[Telconi]

Thank god we’re not Germany and have first amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Last time I've heard, being sprayed with lavender oil as a consequence of perpetuating nonsensical canards against transgender communities by someone who is not an authority figure, nor is he/she involved in the legislature, does not constitute congress banning you from saying XYZ.

So as long as congres doesn't do it it's fine to attack political opponents? Oh boy Freikorps here we come...

[Ors Might]

Thank god we’re not Germany and have first amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Last time I've heard, being sprayed with lavender oil as a consequence of perpetuating nonsensical canards against transgender communities by someone who is not an authority figure, nor is he/she involved in the legislature, does not constitute congress banning you from saying XYZ.

It is, however, a dick move to violate someone’s bodily sovereignty because they’re saying assholish things. PETA protesters are assholes themselves for splattering people wearing fur costs with blood.

[The Ferenghi]

No.

I do like how OP says that the students interrupting and screaming is violence.
Vocal violence, maybe.

tfw right-wingers independently discover and embrace the idea that words can be violence

How stupid are you ?

[Scomagia]

They weren't disliked? Odd flex, but okay.

... I'm saying that they were legitimately hate-based subreddits, in addition to being disliked.

Well bud, stupid opinions can only be met with seriousness for so long. Say something reasonable and I won't be dismissive.

Or maybe don't immediately dismiss the observable fact that speeches which normalize hate do, in fact, normalize hate and, in turn, lead to increases of violence.

But nah, like I said earlier, words totally can't affect anything whatsoever.

Yes, because words that don't advocate violence are more violent than violence.

Do you ever get tired of repeating silly things or is it fun for you?

[Telconi]

"It's not my opinion because I legitimately hold that opinion!"

Okayyyy dude...

... Evidently a subreddit called r/fatepeoplehate is only subjectively hateful.

Lots of things are hateful, nothing inherently wrong with hate.

[Ors Might]

trans ideology

pickles, cat ears and steamed flags?

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