Conservative Speaker Attacked at UMKC

[Telconi]

Ah, I see. You think that nothing short of actually killing/maiming someone actually counts as a physical attack.

Brilliant. No wonder no one else takes you seriously.

Nah, I'm just mocking the continued insinuations that a fucking spray of lavender oil is an attack on somebody. It's kinda refreshing to see right-wingers get riled up by a transphobe (who, all things considered, had absolutely no issue with the """attack""") getting utterly annihilated by lavender oil. :3

You're a freak if you try and stifle someone else's speech because you think their words are oppressing you.

It's like you're deliberately ignoring the part where those words help normalize the spread of hatred and violence.

But, nah, as we all totally know, words have absolutely no effect on anything whatsoever. Hitler's speeches, for instance, didn't actually help sway the German population to committing horrors in the name of the Third Reich, and nobody's been inspired by men like MLK Jr. and their speeches about equality and civil rights and shit to do good.

Yes, actually. He's exercising his rights.

You don't have a right to assault another person. Get the fuck over it.

Ah, right. It actually is okay to try and spur hatred against an entire section of society, but somebody reacting to that isn't okay. Gotcha.

I know, huh? His words are deadly. I mean, one word was over there beating the shit out of a trans person and another was over there misgendering another one.

Yeah, let's just totally pretend that normalizing hatred never ever ever leads to an increase in hate and violence.

Did he advocate violence? At any point?

[Kowani]

Better ignored than heard.

Better condemned than ignored.

In today’s political climate, a condemnation is almost certain to backfire.

Better ignored than heard.

Except now, people are actually sympathizing with him because someone decided to squirt lavender oil at him.

Yes, what a terrible thing. Now he smells nice.

[Torrocca]

Alternatively, an action as simple and nonviolent as spraying some lavender oil and glitter around might get somebody to think about why the act happened. Either way, it detracts from the message being spread, such as right now; nobody here is really talking about his message thoroughly, just the rightness or wrongness of the act of using a supersoaker to spray lavender oil on a dude.

The fact that people aren’t talking about his message is a problem in and of itself. If the glitterbomber instead demonstrated how his message is stupid, then we’d be talking about how his message is, in fact, stupid. Instead of talking about super soakers and glitter.

On the other hand, that just means now that nobody really cares about his message still. He, in effect, got his message of hate shut down.

Oh, nah, I definitely care about bodily sovereignty. I don't think lavender oil is problematic in regards to that.



And I simply disagree.

So you support bodily sovereignty but don't find an infringement of bodily sovereignty problematic. Super consistent, dude.

If it makes you feel any better, I wouldn't consider it an infringement of my own bodily sovereignty either if I got sprayed by some lavender oil and glitter. :3

Still a she, and, nah, I just want equality.



It's effectively denying trans people exist.

No, it really isn't. Unless existence is somehow predicated on being trans.

... A trans person can't, per se, be trans if they're being denied as such. That's what I'm talking about.

Still a she, and, nah, I just want equality.



It's effectively denying trans people exist.

>claims to want equality
>also thinks attacking people to shut down their speech is okay

Everybody will forever remember the day when lavender oil brought an eternal end to equality among people.

[Yusseria]

Ah, I see. You think that nothing short of actually killing/maiming someone actually counts as a physical attack.

Brilliant. No wonder no one else takes you seriously.

Nah, I'm just mocking the continued insinuations that a fucking spray of lavender oil is an attack on somebody. It's kinda refreshing to see right-wingers get riled up by a transphobe (who, all things considered, had absolutely no issue with the """attack""") getting utterly annihilated by lavender oil. :3

In other words, you're debating in bad faith right from the beginning. Good to know.

Now, tell me how violating someone else's bodily sovereignty without their consent with the intention of humiliating them and stopping them from exercising their rights isn't an attack.

Explain.

You're a freak if you try and stifle someone else's speech because you think their words are oppressing you.

It's like you're deliberately ignoring the part where those words help normalize the spread of hatred and violence.

But, nah, as we all totally know, words have absolutely no effect on anything whatsoever. Hitler's speeches, for instance, didn't actually help sway the German population to committing horrors in the name of the Third Reich, and nobody's been inspired by men like MLK Jr. and their speeches about equality and civil rights and shit to do good.

Its okay. We know you think assaulting people is justified if you don't like their speech.

Yes, actually. He's exercising his rights.

You don't have a right to assault another person. Get the fuck over it.

Ah, right. It actually is okay to try and spur hatred against an entire section of society, but somebody reacting to that isn't okay. Gotcha.

Assaulting someone is just a reaction?

Wew.

So if my neighbor pisses me off I can go grab a bucket of ice water and dump it on them?

After all, I'm just reacting to them.

I know, huh? His words are deadly. I mean, one word was over there beating the shit out of a trans person and another was over there misgendering another one.

Yeah, let's just totally pretend that normalizing hatred never ever ever leads to an increase in hate and violence.

I get it, sweetie. You think your right to never have your feelings hurt is more important than free speech.

[Zizou]

Better condemned than ignored.

In today’s political climate, a condemnation is almost certain to backfire.

Except now, people are actually sympathizing with him because someone decided to squirt lavender oil at him.

Yes, what a terrible thing. Now he smells nice.

Yes, the act of squirting him with lavender oil is very minuscule and insignificant. However, people are opposed to the idea that it's okay to use physical means to heckle someone and stop them from speaking, no matter how ineffective and insignificant it may be.

[Telconi]

The fact that people aren’t talking about his message is a problem in and of itself. If the glitterbomber instead demonstrated how his message is stupid, then we’d be talking about how his message is, in fact, stupid. Instead of talking about super soakers and glitter.

On the other hand, that just means now that nobody really cares about his message still. He, in effect, got his message of hate shut down.

So you support bodily sovereignty but don't find an infringement of bodily sovereignty problematic. Super consistent, dude.

If it makes you feel any better, I wouldn't consider it an infringement of my own bodily sovereignty either if I got sprayed by some lavender oil and glitter. :3

No, it really isn't. Unless existence is somehow predicated on being trans.

... A trans person can't, per se, be trans if they're being denied as such. That's what I'm talking about.

>claims to want equality
>also thinks attacking people to shut down their speech is okay

Everybody will forever remember the day when lavender oil brought an eternal end to equality among people.

1)Rather you are or aren't trans isn't dependent on government or social recognition.

2) Rather you do or do not exist isn't dependent on rather you are trans.

There is no connection between the state or any particular group of people recognizing that you're trans, and you existing.

[Torrocca]

Nah, I'm just mocking the continued insinuations that a fucking spray of lavender oil is an attack on somebody. It's kinda refreshing to see right-wingers get riled up by a transphobe (who, all things considered, had absolutely no issue with the """attack""") getting utterly annihilated by lavender oil. :3



It's like you're deliberately ignoring the part where those words help normalize the spread of hatred and violence.

But, nah, as we all totally know, words have absolutely no effect on anything whatsoever. Hitler's speeches, for instance, didn't actually help sway the German population to committing horrors in the name of the Third Reich, and nobody's been inspired by men like MLK Jr. and their speeches about equality and civil rights and shit to do good.



Ah, right. It actually is okay to try and spur hatred against an entire section of society, but somebody reacting to that isn't okay. Gotcha.



Yeah, let's just totally pretend that normalizing hatred never ever ever leads to an increase in hate and violence.

Did he advocate violence? At any point?

As far as I'm aware, no, but that's beside the point. Even if you don't advocate violence, your words can still act as fuel to a fire; in this case, his words - if they weren't put on the backburner by the fact that everyone's merely talking about lavender oil now - would've helped normalize transphobia, one way or the other. Maybe it wouldn't've had a major impact in the grand scheme of things, but it still would've played a hand. Normalizing hate, even if you don't directly call for violence, still leads to violence at the end of the day.

[Ors Might]

The fact that people aren’t talking about his message is a problem in and of itself. If the glitterbomber instead demonstrated how his message is stupid, then we’d be talking about how his message is, in fact, stupid. Instead of talking about super soakers and glitter.

On the other hand, that just means now that nobody really cares about his message still. He, in effect, got his message of hate shut down.

So you support bodily sovereignty but don't find an infringement of bodily sovereignty problematic. Super consistent, dude.

If it makes you feel any better, I wouldn't consider it an infringement of my own bodily sovereignty either if I got sprayed by some lavender oil and glitter. :3

No, it really isn't. Unless existence is somehow predicated on being trans.

... A trans person can't, per se, be trans if they're being denied as such. That's what I'm talking about.

>claims to want equality
>also thinks attacking people to shut down their speech is okay

Everybody will forever remember the day when lavender oil brought an eternal end to equality among people.

But not his ideology. His ideology still exists unchallenged. Congratulations, you glitterbombed a transphobe. Now how does this combat against transphobia as a whole? How does this contribute to a better society? Did this do anything other than make some people feel better and make an asshole smell nice?

[Telconi]

Did he advocate violence? At any point?

As far as I'm aware, no, but that's beside the point. Even if you don't advocate violence, your words can still act as fuel to a fire; in this case, his words - if they weren't put on the backburner by the fact that everyone's merely talking about lavender oil now - would've helped normalize transphobia, one way or the other. Maybe it wouldn't've had a major impact in the grand scheme of things, but it still would've played a hand. Normalizing hate, even if you don't directly call for violence, still leads to violence at the end of the day.

That's just called speech, you're literally mad that he spoke.

[Loben]

So if someone says I don’t exist...I don’t exist?

Am I real? Am I in a dream? Do I die when I wake up?

[Yusseria]

Did he advocate violence? At any point?

As far as I'm aware, no, but that's beside the point. Even if you don't advocate violence, your words can still act as fuel to a fire; in this case, his words - if they weren't put on the backburner by the fact that everyone's merely talking about lavender oil now - would've helped normalize transphobia, one way or the other. Maybe it wouldn't've had a major impact in the grand scheme of things, but it still would've played a hand. Normalizing hate, even if you don't directly call for violence, still leads to violence at the end of the day.

"Even if you aren't for violence you're still responsible for violence."

W E W

[Zizou]

So if someone says I don’t exist...I don’t exist?

Am I real? Am I in a dream? Do I die when I wake up?

Loben doesn't exist. You are in a dream. You will die when you wake up...

[Scomagia]

The fact that people aren’t talking about his message is a problem in and of itself. If the glitterbomber instead demonstrated how his message is stupid, then we’d be talking about how his message is, in fact, stupid. Instead of talking about super soakers and glitter.

On the other hand, that just means now that nobody really cares about his message still. He, in effect, got his message of hate shut down.

So you support bodily sovereignty but don't find an infringement of bodily sovereignty problematic. Super consistent, dude.

If it makes you feel any better, I wouldn't consider it an infringement of my own bodily sovereignty either if I got sprayed by some lavender oil and glitter. :3

No, it really isn't. Unless existence is somehow predicated on being trans.

... A trans person can't, per se, be trans if they're being denied as such. That's what I'm talking about.

>claims to want equality
>also thinks attacking people to shut down their speech is okay

Everybody will forever remember the day when lavender oil brought an eternal end to equality among people.

Well, you not understanding that something happening to you is an invasion of your bodily rights doesn't make it not so.

[Loben]

So if someone says I don’t exist...I don’t exist?

Am I real? Am I in a dream? Do I die when I wake up?

Loben doesn't exist. You are in a dream. You will die when you wake up...

Holy shit.

[Torrocca]

Nah, I'm just mocking the continued insinuations that a fucking spray of lavender oil is an attack on somebody. It's kinda refreshing to see right-wingers get riled up by a transphobe (who, all things considered, had absolutely no issue with the """attack""") getting utterly annihilated by lavender oil. :3

In other words, you're debating in bad faith right from the beginning. Good to know.

Now, tell me how violating someone else's bodily sovereignty without their consent with the intention of humiliating them and stopping them from exercising their rights isn't an attack.

Explain.

Simple: it's not an attack. :3

It's like you're deliberately ignoring the part where those words help normalize the spread of hatred and violence.

But, nah, as we all totally know, words have absolutely no effect on anything whatsoever. Hitler's speeches, for instance, didn't actually help sway the German population to committing horrors in the name of the Third Reich, and nobody's been inspired by men like MLK Jr. and their speeches about equality and civil rights and shit to do good.

Its okay. We know you think assaulting people is justified if you don't like their speech.

This is clearly fake news.

Ah, right. It actually is okay to try and spur hatred against an entire section of society, but somebody reacting to that isn't okay. Gotcha.

Assaulting someone is just a reaction?

Wew.

So if my neighbor pisses me off I can go grab a bucket of ice water and dump it on them?

After all, I'm just reacting to them.

Nah, but that's because you're a right-winger. :3

Yeah, let's just totally pretend that normalizing hatred never ever ever leads to an increase in hate and violence.

I get it, sweetie. You think your right to never have your feelings hurt is more important than free speech.

My feelings aren't hurt at all, actually. Considering your harsh reaction to mere lavender oil, however, I think it'd be safe to say otherwise for you. :3

I know it's hard to tell the difference between disliking the normalization of hate and being upset about something, sweetie, but there is one.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

Was preventing discrimination and segregation in businesses also limiting of others' rights.

Actually, yes.

He literally could've been murdered by a few ounces of lavender oil!

They physically attacked someone with the purpose of shutting down his speech.

I don't know why you think the freaks you agree with get a free pass to be shitty human beings just because you think you're being oppressed by someone else's speech.

>trans "ideology"

Fuckin' wewee. I guess it's ideology now to just try and not have people deny our existence. 10/10

Yeah, actually. Ideology was all that was at play here. Nothing more than words right up until these degenerates tried to make it physical.

Whoa, did you just come back from Gilead, Colonel Waterford? "Degeneracy" and "gender ideology" is so 20th century. And short of a theocratic coup that ushers in a fundie regime, I am afraid you can't do shit to stop the inevitable advancement of LGBT rights. Even Catholic Poland is slowly but surely experiencing an increase in accepting attitudes, as evidenced by the Warsaw Court ruling that the constitution doesn't explicitly ban gay marriage. And Romania has decisively rejected the referendum and the role of the church as evidenced by severely low turnout for their 2018 referendum.

[Yusseria]

As far as I'm aware, no, but that's beside the point. Even if you don't advocate violence, your words can still act as fuel to a fire; in this case, his words - if they weren't put on the backburner by the fact that everyone's merely talking about lavender oil now - would've helped normalize transphobia, one way or the other. Maybe it wouldn't've had a major impact in the grand scheme of things, but it still would've played a hand. Normalizing hate, even if you don't directly call for violence, still leads to violence at the end of the day.

That's just called speech, you're literally mad that he spoke.

It is just fascinating, isn't it? Torra thinks a man disagreeing with her is dangerous, but using physical attacks to stop someone from speaking isn't. Just adorable.

[Umpus]

Guys,can we get back on track?
this thread is slowly turning into a threadjack,and a flame time bomb.

I am not a mod,just to cover my butt in case someone on the mod forum wants to make my life harder.

[Torrocca]

On the other hand, that just means now that nobody really cares about his message still. He, in effect, got his message of hate shut down.



If it makes you feel any better, I wouldn't consider it an infringement of my own bodily sovereignty either if I got sprayed by some lavender oil and glitter. :3



... A trans person can't, per se, be trans if they're being denied as such. That's what I'm talking about.



Everybody will forever remember the day when lavender oil brought an eternal end to equality among people.

But not his ideology. His ideology still exists unchallenged. Congratulations, you glitterbombed a transphobe. Now how does this combat against transphobia as a whole? How does this contribute to a better society? Did this do anything other than make some people feel better and make an asshole smell nice?

We're still not discussing the ideology he was peddling, so I'd still call it a tiny success in my book. :3

On the other hand, that just means now that nobody really cares about his message still. He, in effect, got his message of hate shut down.



If it makes you feel any better, I wouldn't consider it an infringement of my own bodily sovereignty either if I got sprayed by some lavender oil and glitter. :3



... A trans person can't, per se, be trans if they're being denied as such. That's what I'm talking about.



Everybody will forever remember the day when lavender oil brought an eternal end to equality among people.

Well, you not understanding that something happening to you is an invasion of your bodily rights doesn't make it not so.

Nah, I totally understand. I just disagree that it constitutes as such.

[Zizou]

Guys,can we get back on track?
this thread is slowly turning into a threadjack,and a flame time bomb.

I am not a mod,just to cover my butt in case someone on the mod forum wants to make my life harder.

I mean, as long as you specifically aren't flaming or anything, they're not going to do anything to you.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

As far as I'm aware, no, but that's beside the point. Even if you don't advocate violence, your words can still act as fuel to a fire; in this case, his words - if they weren't put on the backburner by the fact that everyone's merely talking about lavender oil now - would've helped normalize transphobia, one way or the other. Maybe it wouldn't've had a major impact in the grand scheme of things, but it still would've played a hand. Normalizing hate, even if you don't directly call for violence, still leads to violence at the end of the day.

"Even if you aren't for violence you're still responsible for violence."

W E W

It's almost as if subtle dogwhistles and coded language doesn't exist, along with incitement and perpetuation of nonsensical stereotypes.

[Yusseria]

In other words, you're debating in bad faith right from the beginning. Good to know.

Now, tell me how violating someone else's bodily sovereignty without their consent with the intention of humiliating them and stopping them from exercising their rights isn't an attack.

Explain.

Simple: it's not an attack. :3

Define "attack".

Its okay. We know you think assaulting people is justified if you don't like their speech.

This is clearly fake news.

Assaulting someone is just a reaction?

Wew.

So if my neighbor pisses me off I can go grab a bucket of ice water and dump it on them?

After all, I'm just reacting to them.

Nah, but that's because you're a right-winger. :3

I get it, sweetie. You think your right to never have your feelings hurt is more important than free speech.

My feelings aren't hurt at all, actually. Considering your harsh reaction to mere lavender oil, however, I think it'd be safe to say otherwise for you. :3

I know it's hard to tell the difference between disliking the normalization of hate and being upset about something, sweetie, but there is one.

So far as I can tell you're far more hateful than this man is.

[Ors Might]

Guys,can we get back on track?
this thread is slowly turning into a threadjack,and a flame time bomb.

I am not a mod,just to cover my butt in case someone on the mod forum wants to make my life harder.

Aight.

Violating someone’s bodily sovereignty is wrong even if they’re a tremendous cunt. Them being an asshole does not give you a blank check to in turn do asshole things.

[Torrocca]

That's just called speech, you're literally mad that he spoke.

It is just fascinating, isn't it? Torra thinks a man disagreeing with her is dangerous, but using physical attacks to stop someone from speaking isn't. Just adorable.

Yes, because we all know that Soros^TM-brand AntiFA Lavender Oil is literally more dangerous than the normalization of hatred.

[Yusseria]

Actually, yes.


They physically attacked someone with the purpose of shutting down his speech.

I don't know why you think the freaks you agree with get a free pass to be shitty human beings just because you think you're being oppressed by someone else's speech.


Yeah, actually. Ideology was all that was at play here. Nothing more than words right up until these degenerates tried to make it physical.

Whoa, did you just come back from Gilead, Colonel Waterford? "Degeneracy" and "gender ideology" is so 20th century. And short of a theocratic coup that ushers in a fundie regime, I am afraid you can't do shit to stop the inevitable advancement of LGBT rights. Even Catholic Poland is slowly but surely experiencing an increase in accepting attitudes, as evidenced by the Warsaw Court ruling that the constitution doesn't explicitly ban gay marriage. And Romania has decisively rejected the referendum and the role of the church as evidenced by severely low turnout for their 2018 referendum.

...and?