Conservative Speaker Attacked at UMKC

[Scomagia]

I'd say outright denying the existence of trans people, as Mike Knowles was doing, is transphobic and hateful.

He disagreed with trans ideology.

How terrible.

Clearly that's more violent than actual violence. *nods*

[Telconi]

Sorry, fam, but shutting down a person's freedom of speech means you're oppressing them.

But sure, tell me how oppressed you are as you limit someone else's rights.

Was preventing discrimination and segregation in businesses also limiting of others' rights?

Physically attacking someone is not correct. Sorry, fam.

He literally could've been murdered by a few ounces of lavender oil!

He disagreed with trans ideology.

How terrible.

>trans "ideology"

Fuckin' wewee. I guess it's ideology now to just try and not have people deny our existence. 10/10

You do understand that boys exist too right, and to deny that you're a girl is a far cry from denying that you exist.

[Torrocca]

I've said before that I still don't consider lavender oil and glitter to be violent. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yes, we're aware that you don't care about bodily sovereignty.

Oh, nah, I definitely care about bodily sovereignty. I don't think lavender oil is problematic in regards to that.

It's still violent to interact with someone's body with ill intent.

And I simply disagree.

[United States of White America]

Trans?

[Zizou]

Trans?

Trandgender?

[Torrocca]

Yes, we're aware that you don't care about bodily sovereignty. It's still violent to interact with someone's body with ill intent.

Because he wants to be more privileged than others.

Still a she, and, nah, I just want equality.

Was preventing discrimination and segregation in businesses also limiting of others' rights?



He literally could've been murdered by a few ounces of lavender oil!



>trans "ideology"

Fuckin' wewee. I guess it's ideology now to just try and not have people deny our existence. 10/10

You do understand that boys exist too right, and to deny that you're a girl is a far cry from denying that you exist.

It's effectively denying trans people exist.

[Ors Might]

Not really. If someone is saying something bad that you disagree with, and you feel passionate enough to take physical action against them, would it not be better to just speak out against them later? Squirting someone with lavender oil didn't help anything.

Speaking out against them later doesn't really do anything, as their message has already been spread and, undoubtedly, somebody's buying into it. I'd prefer a complete nonphysical approach of heckling and whatnot, to be honest, but I don't think a nonviolent physical approach is all that bad, all things considered.

But glitterbombing them after they spread their message does even less. At best, it makes the glitterbomber look childish. You’re neglecting that the point of debate isn’t to convince your opponent but to convince those on the fence or lacking strong opinions.

Looking like a child does not help in that goal, regardless of how cathartic it is for the glitterbomber.

[Kowani]

He disagreed with trans ideology.

How terrible.

Clearly that's more violent than actual violence. *nods*

It’s almost like the speakers actions help incite violence and abuse on a much worse scale than glitterbombing. But nah, that’s not helpful to the narrative.

[United States of White America]

Trans?

Trandgender?

Yes but why is it even real?

[Yusseria]

Actually, yes.

Fucking lmao, amazing.

They physically attacked someone with the purpose of shutting down his speech.

Like I said, he literally could've been murdered by that AntiFA supersoldier and his chemical-filled super-soaker.

Ah, I see. You think that nothing short of actually killing/maiming someone actually counts as a physical attack.

Brilliant. No wonder no one else takes you seriously.

I don't know why you think you and the freaks

You're a freak if you try and stifle someone else's speech because you think their words are oppressing you.

you agree with get a free pass to be shitty human beings just because you think you're being oppressed by someone else's speech.

But he's totally fine to get a free pass to be a shitty human being to an entire portion of society and help normalize hate against them, huh?

Yes, actually. He's exercising his rights.

You don't have a right to assault another person. Get the fuck over it.

Yeah, actually. Ideology was all that was at play here. Nothing more than words right up until these degenerates tried to make it physical.

Yeah, it's literally totally definitely ideology and nothing else at play that could've spurred a reaction from people who were quite literally being told they don't exist. Right. Definitely. Uh huh.

I know, huh? His words are deadly. I mean, one word was over there beating the shit out of a trans person and another was over there misgendering another one.

Truly terrible. How did the poor dears even manage to survive his brutal words?

[Torrocca]

Speaking out against them later doesn't really do anything, as their message has already been spread and, undoubtedly, somebody's buying into it. I'd prefer a complete nonphysical approach of heckling and whatnot, to be honest, but I don't think a nonviolent physical approach is all that bad, all things considered.

But glitterbombing them after they spread their message does even less. At best, it makes the glitterbomber look childish. You’re neglecting that the point of debate isn’t to convince your opponent but to convince those on the fence or lacking strong opinions.

Looking like a child does not help in that goal, regardless of how cathartic it is for the glitterbomber.

Alternatively, an action as simple and nonviolent as spraying some lavender oil and glitter around might get somebody to think about why the act happened. Either way, it detracts from the message being spread, such as right now; nobody here is really talking about his message thoroughly, just the rightness or wrongness of the act of using a supersoaker to spray lavender oil on a dude.

[Yusseria]

Because he wants to be more privileged than others.

Still a she, and, nah, I just want equality.

You do understand that boys exist too right, and to deny that you're a girl is a far cry from denying that you exist.

It's effectively denying trans people exist.

>claims to want equality
>also thinks attacking people to shut down their speech is okay
Top kek. You have no self-awareness.

[Zizou]

Clearly that's more violent than actual violence. *nods*

It’s almost like the speakers actions help incite violence and abuse on a much worse scale than glitterbombing. But nah, that’s not helpful to the narrative.

And the correct response to such horrible speech is to say something better to refute it. Glitterbombing is useless and doesn't help anyone.

[Ors Might]

But glitterbombing them after they spread their message does even less. At best, it makes the glitterbomber look childish. You’re neglecting that the point of debate isn’t to convince your opponent but to convince those on the fence or lacking strong opinions.

Looking like a child does not help in that goal, regardless of how cathartic it is for the glitterbomber.

Alternatively, an action as simple and nonviolent as spraying some lavender oil and glitter around might get somebody to think about why the act happened. Either way, it detracts from the message being spread, such as right now; nobody here is really talking about his message thoroughly, just the rightness or wrongness of the act of using a supersoaker to spray lavender oil on a dude.

The fact that people aren’t talking about his message is a problem in and of itself. If the glitterbomber instead demonstrated how his message is stupid, then we’d be talking about how his message is, in fact, stupid. Instead of talking about super soakers and glitter.

[Telconi]

Because he wants to be more privileged than others.

Still a she, and, nah, I just want equality.

You do understand that boys exist too right, and to deny that you're a girl is a far cry from denying that you exist.

It's effectively denying trans people exist.

No, it really isn't. Unless existence is somehow predicated on being trans.

[Scomagia]

Yes, we're aware that you don't care about bodily sovereignty.

Oh, nah, I definitely care about bodily sovereignty. I don't think lavender oil is problematic in regards to that.

It's still violent to interact with someone's body with ill intent.

And I simply disagree.

So you support bodily sovereignty but don't find an infringement of bodily sovereignty problematic. Super consistent, dude.

[Kowani]

It’s almost like the speakers actions help incite violence and abuse on a much worse scale than glitterbombing. But nah, that’s not helpful to the narrative.

And the correct response to such horrible speech is to say something better to refute it. Glitterbombing is useless and doesn't help anyone.

Well, nobody’s actually listening to him anymore. Looks like it worked out fine.

[Loben]

Oh, nah, I definitely care about bodily sovereignty. I don't think lavender oil is problematic in regards to that.



And I simply disagree.

So you support bodily sovereignty but don't find an infringement of bodily sovereignty problematic. Super consistent, dude.

Bodily sovereignty for me but not for thee and what not.

[Ors Might]

And the correct response to such horrible speech is to say something better to refute it. Glitterbombing is useless and doesn't help anyone.

Well, nobody’s actually listening to him anymore. Looks like it worked out fine.

Nobody’s actually condemning the ideology he represents either. Not much of a success.

[Scomagia]

Clearly that's more violent than actual violence. *nods*

It’s almost like the speakers actions help incite violence and abuse on a much worse scale than glitterbombing. But nah, that’s not helpful to the narrative.

You mean his speech in which he never advocated for violence or abuse is more violent than an actual instance of minor violence? Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

[Zizou]

And the correct response to such horrible speech is to say something better to refute it. Glitterbombing is useless and doesn't help anyone.

Well, nobody’s actually listening to him anymore. Looks like it worked out fine.

It may have worked out okay in this instance, but as a general rule, taking physical action because someone said something is not good.

[Torrocca]

Fucking lmao, amazing.



Like I said, he literally could've been murdered by that AntiFA supersoldier and his chemical-filled super-soaker.

Ah, I see. You think that nothing short of actually killing/maiming someone actually counts as a physical attack.

Brilliant. No wonder no one else takes you seriously.

Nah, I'm just mocking the continued insinuations that a fucking spray of lavender oil is an attack on somebody. It's kinda refreshing to see right-wingers get riled up by a transphobe (who, all things considered, had absolutely no issue with the """attack""") getting utterly annihilated by lavender oil. :3

You're a freak if you try and stifle someone else's speech because you think their words are oppressing you.

It's like you're deliberately ignoring the part where those words help normalize the spread of hatred and violence.

But, nah, as we all totally know, words have absolutely no effect on anything whatsoever. Hitler's speeches, for instance, didn't actually help sway the German population to committing horrors in the name of the Third Reich, and nobody's been inspired by men like MLK Jr. and their speeches about equality and civil rights and shit to do good.

But he's totally fine to get a free pass to be a shitty human being to an entire portion of society and help normalize hate against them, huh?

Yes, actually. He's exercising his rights.

You don't have a right to assault another person. Get the fuck over it.

Ah, right. It actually is okay to try and spur hatred against an entire section of society, but somebody reacting to that isn't okay. Gotcha.

Yeah, it's literally totally definitely ideology and nothing else at play that could've spurred a reaction from people who were quite literally being told they don't exist. Right. Definitely. Uh huh.

I know, huh? His words are deadly. I mean, one word was over there beating the shit out of a trans person and another was over there misgendering another one.

Yeah, let's just totally pretend that normalizing hatred never ever ever leads to an increase in hate and violence.

[Kowani]

Well, nobody’s actually listening to him anymore. Looks like it worked out fine.

Nobody’s actually condemning the ideology he represents either. Not much of a success.

Better ignored than heard.

[Ors Might]

Nobody’s actually condemning the ideology he represents either. Not much of a success.

Better ignored than heard.

Better condemned than ignored.

[Zizou]

Nobody’s actually condemning the ideology he represents either. Not much of a success.

Better ignored than heard.

Except now, people are actually sympathizing with him because someone decided to squirt lavender oil at him.