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Postby Scomagia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:38 am

RiderSyl wrote:
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some crimes...... are good


Like egging racist politicians.

No, that's also wrong.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:38 am

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Liriena wrote:If it's "designed to imitate bleach"? That's a no from me, not becauseof the act of being sprayed, but because of the deception in, hypothetically, pretending that you are spraying them with bleach.


Yeah, basically. I might disagree with why you are doing it, but I'm not going to scream into the void over the tactic itself.

Who's "screaming into the void" here lmao? Spraying you with an unknown substance to inspire fear & shut you up is not ok, or legal for that matter. Jumping in to a conversation & screaming like a lunatic in order to disrupt said conversation is not socially acceptable behavior, and is behavior that might typically be seen in very small children. Depending on what is said it might constitute so called "fighting words." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words

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Postby RiderSyl » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:38 am

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some crimes...... are good


This isn't one of them.

Honestly, that's a hard case to make. Glitterbombing an anti-LGBT speaker is like egging a politician. It's technically a crime, but nobody was actually hurt.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:39 am

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This isn't one of them.

Honestly, that's a hard case to make. Glitterbombing an anti-LGBT speaker is like egging a politician. It's technically a crime, but nobody was actually hurt.

Because anti-lgbt people don't have the same rights as the people you like?
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:39 am

RiderSyl wrote:
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This isn't one of them.

Honestly, that's a hard case to make. Glitterbombing an anti-LGBT speaker is like egging a politician. It's technically a crime, but nobody was actually hurt.


Apart from his fee-fees.
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Postby Medwind » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:40 am

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:What nonsense performative outrage. This chud deserved to be humiliated, and the worst this would ever cost him is a dry cleaner's bill.

He deserves to be humiliated & attacked for stating facts, and trying to educate people?

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:Honestly, that's a hard case to make. Glitterbombing an anti-LGBT speaker is like egging a politician. It's technically a crime, but nobody was actually hurt.

Because anti-lgbt people don't have the same rights as the people you like?

I'm up for glitterbombing anyone, honestly.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:40 am

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was doused in a glitter-filled liquid after being repeatedly interrupted by shouting protesters for questioning transgenderism.


So he got glitterbombed and couldn't handle being heckled. Horrifying.

No, he was assaulted and rightfully aggrieved about it.

The fact that glitterbombing might technically be assault doesn't change the fact that he got glitterbombed. And the fact that he's aggrieved enough about it to whine on national media makes him the snowflake of the week.

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Scomagia wrote:You do know that it's a crime to do things like this, right?

Lots of things are technically crimes. That doesn't mean they're wrong... unless you happened to believe that the law and what's just are always synonymous in which case... eww.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:40 am

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Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:What nonsense performative outrage. This chud deserved to be humiliated, and the worst this would ever cost him is a dry cleaner's bill.

He deserves to be humiliated & attacked for stating facts, and trying to educate people?


And what facts would those be? With citations in support of them, please.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:42 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Telconi wrote:
This isn't one of them.

Honestly, that's a hard case to make. Glitterbombing an anti-LGBT speaker is like egging a politician. It's technically a crime, but nobody was actually hurt.


Well, the university's reputation was. And the student was. The speaker benefited from the increase in his profile.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:42 am

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:He was doused with a chemical which is unacceptable.

It's a glitterbomb, not anthrax.

Unless he had happened to have a lavender allergy, in which case...you know...it could have really injured him.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:42 am

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Medwind wrote:Yes, so speaking in a polite manner should be met with getting sprayed with a substance designed to imitate bleach? So if you're having a discussion on the street, and I hear something I don't like, it's okay for me to interject myself with screaming, interrupting your conversation, and hurling stuff at you right? That's ok to you huh?

denying the humanity of an entire demographic inherently cannot be ~polite~

I don't know... that sounds a bit too nuanced.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:44 am

Scomagia wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's a glitterbomb, not anthrax.

Unless he had happened to have a lavender allergy, in which case...you know...it could have really injured him.

That wasn't the case, so... yeah, no real harm.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:44 am

Liriena wrote:
Scomagia wrote:No, he was assaulted and rightfully aggrieved about it.

The fact that glitterbombing might technically be assault doesn't change the fact that he got glitterbombed. And the fact that he's aggrieved enough about it to whine on national media makes him the snowflake of the week.

Decades later, conservatives still haven't learned how to take a pie to the face.

Scomagia wrote:You do know that it's a crime to do things like this, right?

Lots of things are technically crimes. That doesn't mean they're wrong... unless you happened to believe that the law and what's just are always synonymous in which case... eww.

So, you believe it should be legal to spray people with common allergens to which the reaction can be anything from skin irritation to anaphylaxis? What's wrong with you?
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:44 am

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Liriena wrote:If it's "designed to imitate bleach"? That's a no from me, not becauseof the act of being sprayed, but because of the deception in, hypothetically, pretending that you are spraying them with bleach.

The spray does appear to have been chosen to imitate bleach. Just an FYI.

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Postby Medwind » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:44 am

Vassenor wrote:
Medwind wrote:He deserves to be humiliated & attacked for stating facts, and trying to educate people?


And what facts would those be? With citations in support of them, please.


The difference between sexes? Idk, scientific facts that the left, the people who claim to support science pick and choose which to believe in?
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Postby Liriena » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:45 am

Medwind wrote:
Liriena wrote:If it's "designed to imitate bleach"? That's a no from me, not becauseof the act of being sprayed, but because of the deception in, hypothetically, pretending that you are spraying them with bleach.


Yeah, basically. I might disagree with why you are doing it, but I'm not going to scream into the void over the tactic itself.

Who's "screaming into the void" here lmao? Spraying you with an unknown substance to inspire fear & shut you up is not ok, or legal for that matter. Jumping in to a conversation & screaming like a lunatic in order to disrupt said conversation is not socially acceptable behavior, and is behavior that might typically be seen in very small children. Depending on what is said it might constitute so called "fighting words." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words

Do hecklers deserve to be physically assaulted?
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:45 am

This incident reminds me of the wisdom of political parties having paramilitaries. The Nazis in their infinite wisdom, had the Sturmabteilung to protect their party rallies from their enemies. That is what I'd want to see more of with today's politics.

A proper political party has to have a sword and shield in my view. A wing to go on the offensive with propaganda and a defense vanguard for preempting external threats and to maintain internal security.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:45 am

Scomagia wrote:
Liriena wrote:The fact that glitterbombing might technically be assault doesn't change the fact that he got glitterbombed. And the fact that he's aggrieved enough about it to whine on national media makes him the snowflake of the week.

Decades later, conservatives still haven't learned how to take a pie to the face.


Lots of things are technically crimes. That doesn't mean they're wrong... unless you happened to believe that the law and what's just are always synonymous in which case... eww.

So, you believe it should be legal to spray people with common allergens to which the reaction can be anything from skin irritation to anaphylaxis? What's wrong with you?


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Scomagia wrote:
Liriena wrote:The fact that glitterbombing might technically be assault doesn't change the fact that he got glitterbombed. And the fact that he's aggrieved enough about it to whine on national media makes him the snowflake of the week.

Decades later, conservatives still haven't learned how to take a pie to the face.


Lots of things are technically crimes. That doesn't mean they're wrong... unless you happened to believe that the law and what's just are always synonymous in which case... eww.

So, you believe it should be legal to spray people with common allergens to which the reaction can be anything from skin irritation to anaphylaxis? What's wrong with you?

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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:46 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Mettaton-EX wrote:

everything is a chemical

And dousing performers is unacceptable.

Yes sir it is. Also to others, if he was a liberal that got sprayed with lavender the world would lose their heads! The media is covering up this incident for Christ's sake! Democrat or Republican you must agree this is an absurd incident
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:46 am

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And what facts would those be? With citations in support of them, please.


The difference between sexes? Idk, scientific facts that the left, the people who claim to support science pick and choose which to believe in?
https://www.factinate.com/things/45-sci ... men-women/


Oh, so you're talking out of your arse then.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:46 am

Liriena wrote:
Medwind wrote:Who's "screaming into the void" here lmao? Spraying you with an unknown substance to inspire fear & shut you up is not ok, or legal for that matter. Jumping in to a conversation & screaming like a lunatic in order to disrupt said conversation is not socially acceptable behavior, and is behavior that might typically be seen in very small children. Depending on what is said it might constitute so called "fighting words." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words

Do hecklers deserve to be physically assaulted?

Or quietly escorted out.
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:47 am

Telconi wrote:
Scomagia wrote:So, you believe it should be legal to spray people with common allergens to which the reaction can be anything from skin irritation to anaphylaxis? What's wrong with you?


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Postby Liriena » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:47 am

Medwind wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And what facts would those be? With citations in support of them, please.


The difference between sexes? Idk, scientific facts that the left, the people who claim to support science pick and choose which to believe in?
https://www.factinate.com/things/45-sci ... men-women/

Your Buzzfeed-like source fails to link to any of the studies it cites. So on top of strawmanning "the left", you were very lazy about it.
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