TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Vassenor]

OK, so epilating my legs didn't hurt too badly.

Right now trying it on my face gets a big NOPE from me.

[Novus America]

And who would develop the treatment? Who even really wants it? People who want genders to be cured aren't pharmacists nor doctors so they can't do anything except suggesting treatment. Pharmacist and doctors on the other hand are busy curing more potent mental diseases. Being trans or having some other mumbojumbogender doesn't affect the mind and body as much as schizophrenia. The really bad thing it does is the division of the society. However, when all people will be genderists nobody will be against it and everyone will like it, and we may abolish religion. And guess what, that's also how you make communism work. So no scientists are really interested in the research of those people's brains. It kind of seems to me that in the west it's slowly becoming a bit of a social taboo to publicly and scientifically question the sanity of transgender people. As comrade Brezhnev would say - being trans was normalised.

As comrade Khrushchev would say, “History is on our side. We will bury you.”

You do realize that quote is actually hilariously (if unintentionally) ironic?
I am not against your position here, but that is not a good quote to use.

[Grenartia]

How does Satanism promote toxic masculinity?

Well, for one thing, they both advocate violence.

None of the Satanists I've known have advocated violence.

They also support extreme individualism

So does non-toxic masculinity and any form of Christianity that is worth being part of.

and disobedience to authority.

Unjust authorities should not be obeyed. And more often than not, I've seen toxic masculinity and toxic Christianity promote obedience to terrible authority (for example, Donald Trump).

And who would develop the treatment? Who even really wants it? People who want genders to be cured aren't pharmacists nor doctors so they can't do anything except suggesting treatment. Pharmacist and doctors on the other hand are busy curing more potent mental diseases. Being trans or having some other mumbojumbogender doesn't affect the mind and body as much as schizophrenia. The really bad thing it does is the division of the society. However, when all people will be genderists nobody will be against it and everyone will like it, and we may abolish religion. And guess what, that's also how you make communism work. So no scientists are really interested in the research of those people's brains. It kind of seems to me that in the west it's slowly becoming a bit of a social taboo to publicly and scientifically question the sanity of transgender people. As comrade Brezhnev would say - being trans was normalised.

I’d make a tinfoil hat comment, but this post was such absolute garbage and rambling that I can’t take it seriously. I probably shouldn’t bring Region business into NSG, but...
Vet’t da reǧ, t’q’n’saes ná má’q’ôdio.

I honestly couldn't parse half of it, but that Brezhnev comment definitely screams tankie.

OK, so epilating my legs didn't hurt too badly.

Right now trying it on my face gets a big NOPE from me.

I used to take one of those multitools in the shape of some pliers, and rip some of my facial hair out during class back in HS. It was small enough that I could conceal it in my hand while I used it, and it only took a few out at a time, so the pain was manageable and the difference wasn't very noticeable. Ineffectual as it was, it felt good to at least be able to do *something* despite not being able to afford razors.

As comrade Khrushchev would say, “History is on our side. We will bury you.”

You do realize that quote is actually hilariously (if unintentionally) ironic?
I am not against your position here, but that is not a good quote to use.

To be fair, the primary reason it is ironic is due to Brezhnev fucking things up, but this tangent would be better discussed in the LWDT.

[Vassenor]

I'm going to try again after I shower next and see if that helps, at least.

[West Leas Oros 2]

The concept of toxic masculinity was developed by men's movements to critique what they perceived to be the degradation of masculinity after industrialization, and almost everyone who talks about toxic masculinity distinguishes between it (i.e notions like you have to act aggressively if your masculinity is “challenged”) and masculinity in general. Of course I don't expect that kind of nuance from you since you're just here to troll and score political brownie points.

It was originally created by the mythopoetic men's movement, which as a men's movement tried to push "deep masculinity", by limiting contact with women and spending more time with men, and consider biological essentialism of masculinity as a core tenet.

However, since that time, it has morphed into a sexist slur used to shame people based on their gender. Things change sometimes.

And how do you view the term?

[Cekoviu]

It was originally created by the mythopoetic men's movement, which as a men's movement tried to push "deep masculinity", by limiting contact with women and spending more time with men, and consider biological essentialism of masculinity as a core tenet.

However, since that time, it has morphed into a sexist slur used to shame people based on their gender. Things change sometimes.

And how do you view the term?

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[Galloism]

It was originally created by the mythopoetic men's movement, which as a men's movement tried to push "deep masculinity", by limiting contact with women and spending more time with men, and consider biological essentialism of masculinity as a core tenet.

However, since that time, it has morphed into a sexist slur used to shame people based on their gender. Things change sometimes.

And how do you view the term?

As a sexist slur. That's how it's commonly used in modern society, and that's how it should be viewed as a result.

Every time I hear it, I hear "nigger", and even though some comedians assure us that there's a marked difference between black people are niggers, this is not a valid interpretation of modern usage and society.

[Vassenor]

OK, reading around I really shouldn't be trying to epilate my face. So sticking to shaving and slapping concealer over the remains until I get lasered.

[Auzkhia]

OK, reading around I really shouldn't be trying to epilate my face. So sticking to shaving and slapping concealer over the remains until I get lasered.

I shave every day with my face, to make makeup easier and I hate stubble. At least beards didn't feel like sandpaper.

[Eastern Tatarstan]

Well, for one thing, they both advocate violence. They also support extreme individualism and disobedience to authority.

I don’t know how many Satanists you’ve met, but I’ve yet to meet one who advocates violence.
Also, Christianity promotes toxic masculinity in a far greater manner.

Really? I'm a Roman Catholic Christian and I have never noticed it in the slightest. There are 5 million Catholics out of 5.5milliom people in my country and almost nobody had ever heard about the term "toxic masculinity". The only one who promotes something worth calling toxic masculinity is Marián Kotleba who also happens to run a fascist party. The Church actually condemns him and I remember the priest at my high school telling us how hilarious it is when Kotleba has advertisement for his party saying "For God and nation" while he promotes hatred against other nationalities, minorities and races and he also promotes violence against the Roma minority despite Christianity tells us to love everybody, even our enemies, and to turn the other cheek. Fortunately Kotleba never did anything he promised during his campaigns.

[Mettaton-EX]

And how do you view the term?

As a sexist slur. That's how it's commonly used in modern society, and that's how it should be viewed as a result.

Every time I hear it, I hear "nigger", and even though some comedians assure us that there's a marked difference between black people are niggers, this is not a valid interpretation of modern usage and society.

ah, i see the "comparing criticism of dominant groups to violent slurs against marginalized groups" train has arrived again

[Des-Bal]

ah, i see the "comparing criticism of dominant groups to violent slurs against marginalized groups" train has arrived again

Immediately followed by the "dismiss any attack on a dominant group" train as always. Never a good thing. Antisemitism is fueled by the idea that the jews are societal elites as was the Rwandan Genocide.

[West Leas Oros 2]

ah, i see the "comparing criticism of dominant groups to violent slurs against marginalized groups" train has arrived again

Immediately followed by the "dismiss any attack on a dominant group" train as always. Never a good thing. Antisemitism is fueled by the idea that the jews are societal elites as was the Rwandan Genocide.

Also, ¨dominant group¨. lol

[Galloism]

As a sexist slur. That's how it's commonly used in modern society, and that's how it should be viewed as a result.

Every time I hear it, I hear "nigger", and even though some comedians assure us that there's a marked difference between black people are niggers, this is not a valid interpretation of modern usage and society.

ah, i see the "comparing criticism of dominant groups to violent slurs against marginalized groups" train has arrived again

Men are not the dominant group in society, for starters. The truth is far more complex.

Second, even if that were true, that doesn't mean sexist slurs are ok.

[West Leas Oros 2]

ah, i see the "comparing criticism of dominant groups to violent slurs against marginalized groups" train has arrived again

Men are not the dominant group in society, for starters. The truth is far more complex.

Second, even if that were true, that doesn't mean sexist slurs are ok.

The idea of assigning "dominance" to an identity is only every used to justify hatred and violence.

[Cekoviu]

Again, discussions exclusively about non-trans related issues don't really belong here.

[Galloism]

Again, discussions exclusively about non-trans related issues don't really belong here.

That sexist slur is also used against transwomen as an explanation for why they would invade female spaces - entitlement via toxic masculinity.

Very common among TERFs.

[Ifreann]

Again, discussions exclusively about non-trans related issues don't really belong here.

That sexist slur is also used against transwomen as an explanation for why they would invade female spaces - entitlement via toxic masculinity.

Very common among TERFs.

Calling perfectly accurate terms slurs is also very common among TERFs.

[Auzkhia]

Again, discussions exclusively about non-trans related issues don't really belong here.

I could try to reign in it as a subject change.

Cis men aren't oppressed for their gender, unless we had the Matriarchy, and we don't, in most cases. And even so. A lot of trans people realize that they get treated differently and see different sides of sexism. Transfeminine people and women face transmisogyny, the intersection of misogyny of transphobia. Men and transmasculine often different experiences when misgendered vs having their real gender recognized. There is a unique experience of sexism that trans people face to varying degrees.

[Galloism]

That sexist slur is also used against transwomen as an explanation for why they would invade female spaces - entitlement via toxic masculinity.

Very common among TERFs.

Calling perfectly accurate terms slurs is also very common among TERFs.

Indeed it is. Also using slurs themselves extremely hypocritically.

[Galloism]

Again, discussions exclusively about non-trans related issues don't really belong here.

I could try to reign in it as a subject change.

Cis men aren't oppressed for their gender, unless we had the Matriarchy, and we don't, in most cases. And even so. A lot of trans people realize that they get treated differently and see different sides of sexism. Transfeminine people and women face transmisogyny, the intersection of misogyny of transphobia. Men and transmasculine often different experiences when misgendered vs having their real gender recognized. There is a unique experience of sexism that trans people face to varying degrees.

There's actually a really interesting article from Washington Post where they interviewed transmen that talked about the oppression of being treated as male compared to when they were treated as female.

Transwomen often get a lot of hate because the people hating them see them as men, as once you've had testosterone it's very difficult to "pass" well as their chosen gender. Transmen often pass well as men (testosterone is a hell of a drug), and so are.... mostly invisible.

[Unia Ante]

This is very interesting to me that trans women are over 4 times as likely to be on this website than cis women according to this poll. Then again this is sampling and may not be a very accurate depiction.

[Torrocca]

And how do you view the term?

As a sexist slur. That's how it's commonly used in modern society, and that's how it should be viewed as a result.

I mean, not really. Every instance I've seen of the term "toxic masculinity" being used has been in reference to genuinely toxic behavior that-

Every time I hear it, I hear "nigger", and even though some comedians assure us that there's a marked difference between black people are niggers, this is not a valid interpretation of modern usage and society.

JFC, are you serious?

This is one of the greatest loads of horseshit I've read in a long while.

[Hanafuridake]

That sexist slur is also used against transwomen as an explanation for why they would invade female spaces - entitlement via toxic masculinity.

Very common among TERFs.

Calling perfectly accurate terms slurs is also very common among TERFs.

The notion by some butch lesbians that femme lesbians are dumb or weak and need their protection (sometimes used by TERF's) is a good example of toxic masculinity that's not by men. It's toxic masculinity after all, gender roles which enforce harmful social views or encourage violence, it's not synonymous with biological sex.

[Torrocca]

This is very interesting to me that trans women are over 4 times as likely to be on this website than cis women according to this poll. Then again this is sampling and may not be a very accurate depiction.

Could just be cis women didn't really bother using the poll because they don't post in this thread. I wouldn't take it as a valid sampling of this site's demographics considering, among other things, 93 voters for the poll chose cis male but there aren't even close 93 posters in this thread.