TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

by **Cekoviu** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:40 am

Grenartia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:It's lazy centrism that prioritizes making both sides of the argument happy and therefore inflates psycho-/sociological aspects and implies that aberrant genders aren't mistakes.

You say that like its a bad thing. Which doesn't make for a look good at all, fam.

It is, though I ought to clarify that I don't mean mistskes in a teleological sense. It's more that they don't seem beneficial in any way and frequently detract from the expansion of the species.

Cekoviu wrote:The realization of gender can be shaped by culture, but I am vehemently opposed to the notion that culture itself could affect the development of gender.

Why, because the idea that no individual is an island unto themself, that the idea that you are just as susceptible to societal forces as the most mindless, shallow, and vapid human in existence, scares you?

Yes

by **Page** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:22 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
What's the issue with it?

It's lazy centrism that prioritizes making both sides of the argument happy and therefore inflates psycho-/sociological aspects and implies that aberrant genders aren't mistakes. It also overemphasizes gender minorities and pretends that determinism can't or doesn't address transgender people. It's not as bad of a take as full-on social constructivism, but it's not that much better.

I think it would be more accurate to say that aberrant genders are anomalous rather than mistakes, as the word mistake implies the undesirable result of deliberate action.

by **Fahran** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:03 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Hediacrana wrote:On this issue, I believe Julia Serano's take is really helpful.

What a ridiculously shitty take. I don't know who that is, but I don't like them at all.

My usual take is that gender is a social construct rooted in biological sex, hormones, and/or brain gender that influences gender roles, social perception, and presentation. It often relies on how one interacts with others in the context of society and is functional as well as relational. The one fault I can perceive with my definition is that it winds up being a bit less kind to non-passing trans-people and non-binary people who do not experience dysphoria since it is positivist and, arguably, a touch too reliant on social perceptions and/or scientific evidence. But I can't really come up with a definition beyond that which isn't so exceedingly broad that it becomes ridiculous or too nebulous to be functionally and relationally useful beyond the level of the individual, rendering it less a social construct and more of a simple identity or feeling.

by **Fahran** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:04 pm

Page wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:It's lazy centrism that prioritizes making both sides of the argument happy and therefore inflates psycho-/sociological aspects and implies that aberrant genders aren't mistakes. It also overemphasizes gender minorities and pretends that determinism can't or doesn't address transgender people. It's not as bad of a take as full-on social constructivism, but it's not that much better.

I think it would be more accurate to say that aberrant genders are anomalous rather than mistakes, as the word mistake implies the undesirable result of deliberate action.

The word aberrant seems to say enough, no? Though it does have negative implications in some contexts. Anamolous might be the more neutral word altogether.

by **Cekoviu** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:31 pm

Page wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:It's lazy centrism that prioritizes making both sides of the argument happy and therefore inflates psycho-/sociological aspects and implies that aberrant genders aren't mistakes. It also overemphasizes gender minorities and pretends that determinism can't or doesn't address transgender people. It's not as bad of a take as full-on social constructivism, but it's not that much better.

I think it would be more accurate to say that aberrant genders are anomalous rather than mistakes, as the word mistake implies the undesirable result of deliberate action.

That's fair, I suppose.

Fahran wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:What a ridiculously shitty take. I don't know who that is, but I don't like them at all.

My usual take is that gender is a social construct rooted in biological sex, hormones, and/or brain gender that influences gender roles, social perception, and presentation. It often relies on how one interacts with others in the context of society and is functional as well as relational. The one fault I can perceive with my definition is that it winds up being a bit less kind to non-passing trans-people and non-binary people who do not experience dysphoria since it is positivist and, arguably, a touch too reliant on social perceptions and/or scientific evidence. But I can't really come up with a definition beyond that which isn't so exceedingly broad that it becomes ridiculous or too nebulous to be functionally and relationally useful beyond the level of the individual, rendering it less a social construct and more of a simple identity or feeling.

I already fried my brain today, so I cannot think enough to have a strong opinion on this. Sorry.

by **Grenartia** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:21 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I do not see any reason to believe that they can. I want to see hard evidence.

I see no reason to believe that they couldn't. I've seen much stranger.

You DO realize I was in agreement with you there, right?

Nope, that was not clear. My bad.

Which is like saying "I know how to make a circuit, therefore, I'm a master of how to program in C#."

Just because you are familiar with the intricacies of the hardware, does not inherently make you an expert in the software. For clarification, that you is for biologists in general, not just you specifically.

I'm not saying biologists are going to be experts by default in it (obviously; I study entomology, ffs, so I would have absolutely zero knowledge on this topic without seeking it out independently), just that it is a biological problem or at the very least is not psychological.

If its not a psychological phenomenon, then why is the first person consulted in transition an expert in the field of psychology?

Cekoviu wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
You say that like its a bad thing. Which doesn't make for a look good at all, fam.

It is, though I ought to clarify that I don't mean mistskes in a teleological sense. It's more that they don't seem beneficial in any way and frequently detract from the expansion of the species.

Why, because the idea that no individual is an island unto themself, that the idea that you are just as susceptible to societal forces as the most mindless, shallow, and vapid human in existence, scares you?

Yes

Look, I'll be honest. It scares the shit out of me, too. But its a reality that we must confront head on, instead of burying our heads in the sand and acting like it doesn't exist. We're scientists, we both know that we cannot hide from the truth.

Fahran wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:What a ridiculously shitty take. I don't know who that is, but I don't like them at all.

My usual take is that gender is a social construct rooted in biological sex, hormones, and/or brain gender that influences gender roles, social perception, and presentation. It often relies on how one interacts with others in the context of society and is functional as well as relational. The one fault I can perceive with my definition is that it winds up being a bit less kind to non-passing trans-people and non-binary people who do not experience dysphoria since it is positivist and, arguably, a touch too reliant on social perceptions and/or scientific evidence. But I can't really come up with a definition beyond that which isn't so exceedingly broad that it becomes ridiculous or too nebulous to be functionally and relationally useful beyond the level of the individual, rendering it less a social construct and more of a simple identity or feeling.

I'm not sure if I'd agree with "rooted" in biological sex and hormones, and I also have a hard time seeing how it's "less kind to non-passing trans people and non-dysphoric non-binary people". But personally, I don't see anything egregiously wrong with it.

by **Grenartia** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:46 pm

I've updated the title and poll specially for TDOR. Today marks the 20th anniversary of the first TDOR. In this year alone, there are over 331 names. 130 in Brazil. 63 in Mexico. 31 in the US. Even one name is too many, but this is just fucking ridiculous. I look forward to a future where there are no more names to read. To a future where this day is no longer needed, except for historical context. But it feels so damn far away.

Almost 5 years ago, 17 year old Leelah Alcorn tried escaping her abusive and transphobic parents in the only way she felt she could, and implored us to fix society before she left. She'd be old enough to drink by now. And it feels like we've failed her. We've certainly failed everyone of the 331. And that's just the people we know about. God only knows how high the actual number is.

If you're not trans, but know someone who is, give them a hug (if they'll accept it). Whether or not you're trans, stay safe out there. If you're religious or spiritual, and an ally, pray. But above all, do something. Change society.

Content Warning: This is the most complete list of names I've found, also includes brief descriptions of the cause of death of the victims, so there's your warning if you're not psychologically prepared for that.

by **Auzkhia** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:52 pm

Grenartia wrote:I've updated the title and poll specially for TDOR. Today marks the 20th anniversary of the first TDOR. In this year alone, there are over 331 names. 130 in Brazil. 63 in Mexico. 31 in the US. Even one name is too many, but this is just fucking ridiculous. I look forward to a future where there are no more names to read. To a future where this day is no longer needed, except for historical context. But it feels so damn far away.

Almost 5 years ago, 17 year old Leelah Alcorn tried escaping her abusive and transphobic parents in the only way she felt she could, and implored us to fix society before she left. She'd be old enough to drink by now. And it feels like we've failed her. We've certainly failed everyone of the 331. And that's just the people we know about. God only knows how high the actual number is.

If you're not trans, but know someone who is, give them a hug (if they'll accept it). Whether or not you're trans, stay safe out there.

Content Warning: This is the most complete list of names I've found, also includes brief descriptions of the cause of death of the victims, so there's your warning if you're not psychologically prepared for that.

Gabriella Torres
Manaus, Brazil
20-Nov-18
2018
shot

Perlita de Guerrero
Acapulco, Guerrero, Mexico
22-Nov-18
2018
shot

Nahomy Alexandra López Orellana “La Pepita”
Sacacoyo, El Salvador
25-Nov-18
2018
strangled

Fábia Ju Dias
Manhuaçu, Brazil
26-Nov-18
2018
beaten

Mikaela Africana Sanhes
Salvador, Brazil
26-Nov-18
2018
shot

Tydi Dansbury
Baltimore, MD, USA
MD
28-Nov-18
2018
shot

Rajni
Gurugram, India
28-Nov-18
2018
shot

Duda
Marabá, Brazil
1-Dec-18
2018
shot

Karliane Vitoria Rodrigues
Taguatinga Sul, Brazil
4-Dec-18
2018
shot

Luisa Fernanda Hernandez
Leon, Guanajuato, Mexico
4-Dec-18
2018
shot

Nancy de Monza
Milan, Italy
5-Dec-18
2018
beaten

J.C. Pereira de Lima
Itanhaém, Brazil
5-Dec-18
2018
beaten

Keanna Mattel, aka Kelly Stough
Detroit, Michigan, USA
MI
7-Dec-18
2018
shot

Name Unknown
Villa Nueva, Guatemala
7-Dec-18
2018
not reported

Jéssica Dimy
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
7-Dec-18
2018
burned

Victória Landeiro
Rondonopolis, Brazil
9-Dec-18
2018
shot

Scarlety Mastroianyy
Londrina, Brazil
10-Dec-18
2018
stabbed

Manuel Luna
Morelia, Michoacan, Mexico
11-Dec-18
2018
not reported

Name Unknown
São Vicente, Brazil
11-Dec-18
2018
asphyxiation

Name Unknown
Parnamirim, Brazil
12-Dec-18
2018
beaten

Name Unknown
Klang, Malaysia
12-Dec-18
2018
beaten

Gabi Blak
Brasilandia, Brazil
12-Dec-18
2018
strangled

Scarlett Cedeño
Cali, Colombia
14-Dec-18
2018
not reported

Marilin
Buenos Aires, Argentina
16-Dec-18
2018
run-over by car

Valquiria
Imperatriz, Brazil
17-Dec-18
2018
stabbed

Litzy Hurtado
El Alto, Bolivia
17-Dec-18
2018
stabbed

Name Unknown
Guerrero, Abasolo, Mexico
19-Dec-18
2018
shot

Márcia Rodrigues Pereira
Camapuã, Brazil
20-Dec-18
2018
strangled

Gaby
Playa Del Carmen, Quintana Roo, Mexico
23-Dec-18
2018
stoned

Jéssica Bracamonte
Veron, Punta Cana, Dominican Republic
25-Dec-18
2018
stabbed

Denisse Hernández Rivero
Tixtla, Guerrero, Mexico
26-Dec-18
2018
stabbed

Nicolly Banks
Uberlândia, Brazil
28-Dec-18
2018
shot

Valentina Herrera Guzman
Cali, Colombia
28-Dec-18
2018
not reported

Melissa Brunely
Linhares, Brazil
28-Dec-18
2018
run-over by car

Rogéria Paiva
Maracanau, Brazil
29-Dec-18
2018
shot

Sabrina Santos Vidal
Taperoá, Brazil
31-Dec-18
2018
stabbed

Devora Montolio
Maimón, Dominican Republic
1-Jan-19
2019
stabbed

Mikinho Lima dos Santos
Lajeado, Brazil
1-Jan-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Klang, Malaysia
1-Jan-19
2019
other

Name Unknown
Gravataí, Brazil
1-Jan-19
2019
other

Laura Muñoz Arcila
Cali, Colombia
1-Jan-19
2019
stabbed

Name Unknown
Quintana Roo, Mexico
4-Jan-19
2019
shot

Dana Martin
Montgomery, Alabama, USA
AL
6-Jan-19
2019
shot to the head

Carla Girón Lodoño
Tulua, Colombia
6-Jan-19
2019
shot

Hande Seker
Anatolia, Turkey
9-Jan-19
2019
shot

Amy Griffiths
Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
14-Jan-19
2019
not reported

Name Unknown
Tamaulipas, Reynosa, Mexico
14-Jan-19
2019
asphyxiation

Alka
Tatapani, India
16-Jan-19
2019
tortured

Sussy Montalván
Copiapó, Chile
17-Jan-19
2019
strangled

Sheilla Prado
Tubarão, Brazil
20-Jan-19
2019
other

Quelly da Silva “Jeninha”
Campinas, Brazil
21-Jan-19
2019
stabbed

Yara Serena Camargo
Recife, Brazil
22-Jan-19
2019
stabbed

Nashley Delgado Segovia
Aldama, Mexico
23-Jan-19
2019
shot

Jésica Benevidez “Nicky”
Parana, Argentina
24-Jan-19
2019
not reported

Name Unknown
Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico
24-Jan-19
2019
not reported

J. da Silva dos Santos
Camaçari, Brazil
25-Jan-19
2019
shot

Aysla Souza
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
25-Jan-19
2019
beaten

Pamela Sandoval Ramírez
Chimalhuacán, Mexico
27-Jan-19
2019
not reported

Mirna Antonella Di Marzo
Salta, Argentina
28-Jan-19
2019
beaten

Jehangir
Jatta Ismail Khel, Pakistan
29-Jan-19
2019
shot

Ana Paula da Costa Ribeiro
Tramandaí, Brazil
30-Jan-19
2019
stabbed

Ellie Marie Washtock
World Golf Village, Florida, USA
FL
31-Jan-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Kohat, Pakistan
1-Feb-19
2019
other

La Joha González Leal
Maracaibo, Venezuela
2-Feb-19
2019
beaten

Camila Diaz Córdova “Aurora”
San Salvador, El Salvador
3-Feb-19
2019
beaten

Laly Heredia Escobar “Sonia Laly”
La Matanza, Argentina
3-Feb-19
2019
shot

Mellyssa Rodrigues dos Santos
Piracicaba, Brazil
4-Feb-19
2019
beaten

Miriam Rivera
Hermosillo. Sonora, Mexico
5-Feb-19
2019
strangled

Daniele Azevedo
Manaus, Brazil
8-Feb-19
2019
not reported

Fabi Cortes Morales
Las Chopas, Veracruz, Mexico
8-Feb-19
2019
shot

Lolita
Sonsonate, El Salvador
8-Feb-19
2019
stabbed

Miúda
Niterói, Brazil
11-Feb-19
2019
shot

Kayla Alves
Nova Ipixuna, Brazil
11-Feb-19
2019
stabbed

Meg Duran
São Paulo, Brazil
15-Feb-19
2019
shot

Samira Morena
Sorocaba, Brazil
16-Feb-19
2019
stabbed

Rajathi
Thoothukudi, India
18-Feb-19
2019
dismembered

Nathyelly Cruz
Uruaçu, Brazil
21-Feb-19
2019
stabbed

V. Barbosa de Aquino
Palmas, Brazil
21-Feb-19
2019
stabbed

Minerva Rubio
Chihuahua, Chihuahua, Mexico
21-Feb-19
2019
shot

Verito
Quito, Ecuador
22-Feb-19
2019
stabbed

Mirlla Vasques Arcanjo
Manaus, Brazil
23-Feb-19
2019
stoned

Name Unknown
Castellón de la Plana, Spain
24-Feb-19
2019
asphyxiation

Aghata
Manaus, Brazil
25-Feb-19
2019
other

Ana de Lima
Pacatuba, Brazil
26-Feb-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Guaiúba, Brazil
26-Feb-19
2019
shot

Sayonara
Carapicuiba, Brazil
27-Feb-19
2019
dismembered

Pamela Arenceli
La Matanza, Buenos Aires, Argentina
28-Feb-19
2019
shot

Maxim Brizuela
La Matanza, Buenos Aires, Argentina
28-Feb-19
2019
shot

Laura Gentle Argueta
Rotan, Isla De La Bahia, Honduras
2-Mar-19
2019
stabbed

Brigitte Galván
Yucatán, Mexico
3-Mar-19
2019
other

Maylla dos Santos
Coari, Brazil
4-Mar-19
2019
strangled

Pamela
Santa Luzia do Pará, Brazil
5-Mar-19
2019
shot

Maria Paula Murillo Reyes
Costa Rica, Costa Rica
5-Mar-19
2019
not reported

La Mariposa
Ciudad del Carmen, Mexico
6-Mar-19
2019
strangled

Flavia Santana
Anapolis, Brazil
8-Mar-19
2019
strangled

Perla
São Paulo, Brazil
8-Mar-19
2019
shot

Renata Spencer
Tepeji Del Rio, Hidalgo, Mexico
9-Mar-19
2019
stoned

Name Unknown
Jiutepec, Morelos, Mexico
10-Mar-19
2019
stabbed

Nazab Abid Shaikh Date of death:
Maharashtra, India
11-Mar-19
2019
throat cut

Junu
Kathmandu, Nepal
11-Mar-19
2019
beaten

Pollita Ruiz
Jiutepec, Oaxaca, Mexico
13-Mar-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico
13-Mar-19
2019
not reported

Name Unknown
Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico
13-Mar-19
2019
not reported

Zaira Betancur
Bogotá, Colombia
14-Mar-19
2019
throat cut

Caio Dantas Monteiro
Angra dos Reis, Brazil
16-Mar-19
2019
stabbed

Name Unknown
Alcaldia Gustavo A. Madero, Ciudad De Mexico, Mexico
16-Mar-19
2019
stabbed

Mara da Silva
Mossoro, Brazil
17-Mar-19
2019
shot

Alessandra Date of death:
Buritis, Brazil
17-Mar-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Merida, Yucatan, Mexico
17-Mar-19
2019
stabbed

B.J.P.
Cancun, Quintana Roo, Mexico
20-Mar-19
2019
asphyxiation

Lara
Belém, Brazil
23-Mar-19
2019
beaten

Name Unknown
Manaus, Brazil
23-Mar-19
2019
stoned

Fabricia de Moura Lima
Goiânia, Brazil
24-Mar-19
2019
shot

W. Adalí Hernández Rápalo
Villanueva, Honduras
24-Mar-19
2019
not reported

Jazzaline Ware
Memphis, Alabama, USA
AL
25-Mar-19
2019
not reported

Celaya Méndey Yelada
Aguadulce, Veracruz, Mexico
25-Mar-19
2019
not reported

Amma Hajjani
Sindh, Pakistan
26-Mar-19
2019
beaten

Marisol Montenegro
Puerto Montt, Chile
27-Mar-19
2019
strangled

Ashanti Carmon
Fairmount Heights, Maryland, USA
MD
30-Mar-19
2019
shot

Paty Santos
Manaus, Brazil
30-Mar-19
2019
strangled

Patricia Rafaela dos Santos Camargo
Maringá, Brazil
30-Mar-19
2019
run-over by car

Claudia Vera
Independencia, Lima, Peru
30-Mar-19
2019
shot

Crysllaine Guedes da Silva
Juazeiro do Norte, Brazil
1-Apr-19
2019
stabbed

Eduarda Albuquerque
Angra dos Reis, Brazil
3-Apr-19
2019
beaten

Barbara
Itabuna, Brazil
5-Apr-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Jacareí, Brazil
5-Apr-19
2019
stabbed

Shalu
Kozhikode, India
5-Apr-19
2019
strangled

Sandrielly Vasconcelos
Boa Vista, Brazil
6-Apr-19
2019
stabbed

Name Unknown
Franca, Brazil
7-Apr-19
2019
stabbed

Kasandra Solórzano Romero
Huila, Colombia
8-Apr-19
2019
asphyxiation

Brenda Plaza Vallejos
Valaparaiso, Chile
8-Apr-19
2019
stabbed

Marqueza
Campo Grande, Brazil
9-Apr-19
2019
shot

Malaj Islas
Puerto De Veracruz, Veracruz, Mexico
10-Apr-19
2019
stabbed

Juju
Sapezal, Brazil
12-Apr-19
2019
stabbed

Ainee Khan
Sindh, Pakistan
13-Apr-19
2019
stabbed

Sabrina
João Pessoa, Brazil
13-Apr-19
2019
shot

Claire Legato
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
OH
15-Apr-19
2019
shot

Kenia Hilton
Ciudad de Mexico, Mexico
15-Apr-19
2019
other

Nina Surgutskaya
Kursk, Russia
15-Apr-19
2019
strangled

Tamara
Ciudad de Mexico, Mexico
17-Apr-19
2019
not reported

Becky
Minatitlan, Veracruz, Mexico
19-Apr-19
2019
shot

E. dos Santos da Rosa
Paraná, Brazil
19-Apr-19
2019
stabbed

Jessica Gómez Rúa (Pajarita)
Bucaramanga, Colombia
21-Apr-19
2019
stabbed

Natalia Delgado Rubio
Irapuato, Guanajuato, Mexico
21-Apr-19
2019
dismembered

Haji Noori
Jhansi, India
21-Apr-19
2019
beaten

Name Unknown
Fortaleza, Brazil
22-Apr-19
2019
not reported

Rica Reyes
Cebu, Philippines
23-Apr-19
2019
beaten

Rayssa dos Santos
Caucaia, Brazil
23-Apr-19
2019
shot

Catalina Casquete Holguín, Cata
Ciudad Cuenca, Provincia Guayas, Ecuador
25-Apr-19
2019
run-over by car

Name Unknown
Salamanaca, Guanajuato, Mexico
27-Apr-19
2019
shot

Yaritza Angélica Millones López
Buenos Aires, Argentina
28-Apr-19
2019
asphyxiation

Jasmynne Fontile de Brito
Guarapes, Brazil
30-Apr-19
2019
shot

El Choco
Chihuahua, Chihuahua, Mexico
2-May-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Grajau, Brazil
2-May-19
2019
stabbed

Melissa
Bacabal, Brazil
4-May-19
2019
tortured

Larissa Rodrigues da Silva
São Paulo, Brazil
4-May-19
2019
beaten

Heart Pontanes
Malabon, Philippines
6-May-19
2019
stabbed

M. Dantas da Silva
Guariba, Brazil
6-May-19
2019
stabbed

Yara Souza
São Paulo, Brazil
10-May-19
2019
strangled

Luana Date of death:
Maranhao, Brazil
11-May-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Uberlandia, Minas Gerais, Brazil
11-May-19
2019
asphyxiation

Talia Silveira Pacheco Santos
Belo Horizonte, Brazil
12-May-19
2019
stabbed

Gökçe Naz Saygi
Antalya, Turkey
13-May-19
2019
stabbed

Natalia
Mexico City, Mexico
13-May-19
2019
beaten

Dulce
Alcaldia Benito Juarez, Ciudad De Mexico, Mexico
14-May-19
2019
not reported

Bibiu
Fortaleza, Brazil
15-May-19
2019
shot

A. A. Silva Costa Date of death:
Mineiros, Brazil
16-May-19
2019
shot

Alana Ferreira
São Paulo, Brazil
16-May-19
2019
beaten

Muhlaysia Booker
Dallas, Texas, USA
TX
18-May-19
2019
shot

Angela Paola Fajardo
Mixco, Guatemala
18-May-19
2019
stabbed

Michelle ‘Tamika’ Washington
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
PA
19-May-19
2019
shot

Thaylla Rodrigues de Moura
Campo Grande, Brazil
19-May-19
2019
stabbed

Jesusa
Fortin De Las Flores, Veracruz, Mexico
20-May-19
2019
dismembered

Reva Desai
Mumbai, India
21-May-19
2019
stabbed

Paris Cameron
Detroit, Michigan, USA
MI
25-May-19
2019
shot

Britany
Misantla, Veracruz, Mexico
26-May-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Old Hyderabda City, India
26-May-19
2019
beaten

Gala Estefanía Perea
San Isidro de Lules, Tucumán, Argentina
26-May-19
2019
strangled

Elaynne Marques
Lucas do Rio Verde, Brazil
27-May-19
2019
shot

R. Adelso Rodriguez Alonzo
Usumatlán, Zacapa , Guatemala
28-May-19
2019
shot

Jahy Bianchini
Cachoeiro de Itapemirim, Espírito Santo , Brazil
30-May-19
2019
shot

leleco
Lucena, Brazil
30-May-19
2019
beaten

Rosinha do Beco
Morro do Chapéu, Brazil
30-May-19
2019
beaten

Rose
Jaboatão dos Guararapes, Brazil
31-May-19
2019
shot

Johana Medina León (“Joa”)
El Paso, Texas, USA
TX
1-Jun-19
2019
other

Chynal Lindsey
Dallas, Texas, USA
TX
1-Jun-19
2019
asphyxiation

Fabiola
Quimistan, Santa Barbara, Honduras
2-Jun-19
2019
not reported

Name Unknown
Barranquilla, Colombia
3-Jun-19
2019
stabbed

Miranda Pilar Ruiz
El Empalme, Ecuador
3-Jun-19
2019
shot

Mayte Castro Anay
El Empalme, Ecuador
3-Jun-19
2019
shot

Cecelia Cranko
South Orange, New Jersey, USA
NJ
5-Jun-19
2019
burned

Chanel Scurlock
Lumberton, California, USA
CA
6-Jun-19
2019
shot

Layleen Cubilette Polanco Xtravaganza
Rikers Island, New York , USA
NY
7-Jun-19
2019
other

Shakira (La Moy)
Choloma, Cortés, Honduras
8-Jun-19
2019
stoned

Pamela
Maringá, Brazil
10-Jun-19
2019
shot

Alex Milkovich
Nytva, Russia
10-Jun-19
2019
not reported

Name Unknown
Queretaro, Mexico
11-Jun-19
2019
beaten

Zoe Spears
Fairmonut Heights, Maryland, USA
MA
13-Jun-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Municipio Coatzintla, Veracruz, Mexico
14-Jun-19
2019
beaten

Nahara
Fortaleza, Brazil
16-Jun-19
2019
shot

Maycon Clebes dos Reis
Coromandel, Brazil
16-Jun-19
2019
stabbed

Dafne Yilmaz
Afyonkarahisar, Turkey
16-Jun-19
2019
stabbed

Pollyane Weneck
Coromandel, Brazil
16-Jun-19
2019
stabbed

Lohane (Jasmine)
Palmares, Brazil
17-Jun-19
2019
stabbed

Monica Devain
Jiutepec, Morelos, Mexico
18-Jun-19
2019
stabbed

Doris Hernandez
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
21-Jun-19
2019
not reported

Brooklyn Lindsey
Kansas City, MO, USA
MO
25-Jun-19
2019
shot

J.P. Moreno
Coatzacoalcos, Veracruz, Mexico
25-Jun-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Multan, Pakistan
28-Jun-19
2019
tortured

Name Unknown
Multan, Pakistan
28-Jun-19
2019
tortured

Maya
Khyber Pukhtunkhwa, Pakistan
1-Jul-19
2019
shot

Jessica
Araguaina, Brazil
2-Jul-19
2019
shot

Antonia Laínez Larios
El Negrito, Yoro, Honduras, Honduras
3-Jul-19
2019
shot

Santi
Puerto Cortés, Honduras, Honduras
6-Jul-19
2019
shot

Shakira Fernandez de la Hoz
Medellin, Antioquia, Colombia
7-Jul-19
2019
stabbed

Bessy Michelle Ferrera
Comayaguela, Honduras
8-Jul-19
2019
shot

Carly
Oaxaca, Oaxaca, Mexico
10-Jul-19
2019
stabbed

Name Unknown
San Luis, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
10-Jul-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
San Luis, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
10-Jul-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Alcaldia Xochimilo, Ciudad De Mexico, Mexico
12-Jul-19
2019
not reported

Lucia Barrera Date of death:
Parana, Entre Rios, Argentina
14-Jul-19
2019
stabbed

Angie Digiacomo
Buenos Aires, Argentina
17-Jul-19
2019
other

S. Medina
Salta, Argentina
18-Jul-19
2019
asphyxiation

Denali Berries Stuckey
North Charleston, North Carolina, USA
NC
20-Jul-19
2019
shot

Tracy Single
Houston, Texas, USA
TX
20-Jul-19
2019
stabbed

Name Unknown
Nagrakata, India
24-Jul-19
2019
beaten

Sandy
Chilpancingo, Guerrero, Mexico
24-Jul-19
2019
shot

Bubba Walker
Charlotte, United States of America
27-Jul-19
2019
burned

Muskan
Multan, Pakistan
27-Jul-19
2019
tortured

Nadia
Multan, Pakistan
27-Jul-19
2019
tortured

Marquis “Kiki” Fantroy
Miami, Florida, USA
FL
31-Jul-19
2019
shot

Jordan Cofer
Dayton, Ohio, USA
OH
4-Aug-19
2019
shot

Pebbles LaDime “Dime” Doe
Allendale County, South Carolina, USA
SC
4-Aug-19
2019
shot

Rosalinda Pérez Berigüete
San Juan Maguana, Dominican Republic
4-Aug-19
2019
stabbed

Gabriele Oliveira
Belo Jardim, Brazil
5-Aug-19
2019
shot

Karla Fernanda Silva
La Maná, Cotopaxi, Ecuador
5-Aug-19
2019
other

Name Unknown
Tecoman, Colima, Mexico
6-Aug-19
2019
shot

J. A. Cermeño Medina
Caracas, Venezuela
7-Aug-19
2019
shot

Angi García “La Gata”
Santo Domingo de los Tsachilas, Ecuador
7-Aug-19
2019
strangled

Alondra García
Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico
8-Aug-19
2019
stabbed

Aylin Hernández Gómez
San Cristóbal de las Casas, Mexico
11-Aug-19
2019
strangled

W. Félix de Oliveira
Maracanaú, Brazil
11-Aug-19
2019
stoned

Sara Miranda de Souza
Frutal, Brazil
12-Aug-19
2019
stabbed

Abril Navarro Salazar
Alvaro Obregon, Ciudad De Mexico, Mexico
15-Aug-19
2019
stabbed

Nathacha Ruby Flores
Quito, Ecuador
19-Aug-19
2019
not reported

Name Unknown
Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico
19-Aug-19
2019
not reported

Aline da Silva
Arcoverde, Brazil
20-Aug-19
2019
stabbed

Kate Maikelly de Jesus Barbosa
Teixeira de Freitas, Brazil
21-Aug-19
2019
not reported

Ashley
Huajuapan De Leon, Oaxaca, Mexico
22-Aug-19
2019
not reported

Daniela Martinez
Cicuco, Colombia
22-Aug-19
2019
beaten

Name Unknown
Iztapalapa, Ciudad De Mexico, Mexico
24-Aug-19
2019
not reported

Name Unknown
Acapulco, Guerrero, Mexico
24-Aug-19
2019
shot

Hani
Mansehra, Pakistan
26-Aug-19
2019
shot

Roberta “Xirrara” Rodrigues
Inhumas, Brazil
30-Aug-19
2019
shot

Sana Khan
Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan
30-Aug-19
2019
stabbed

Brigitte Escalona Escobar
Caracas, Venezuela
31-Aug-19
2019
asphyxiation

Name Unknown
Santiago, Chile
31-Aug-19
2019
stabbed

Bailey Reeves
Baltimore, Marylnd, USA
MD
2-Sep-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Ziguatanejo, Guerrero, Mexico
3-Sep-19
2019
shot

Andra Mora López
Tequendama, Colombia
3-Sep-19
2019
run-over by car

Bee Love Slater
Clewiston, Florida, USA
FL
4-Sep-19
2019
burned

Victoria Santos Falcão
juina, Brazil
5-Sep-19
2019
shot

Yuri Gabriel Castro Farias
Fortaleza, Brazil
6-Sep-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico
7-Sep-19
2019
not reported

Name Unknown
Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico
7-Sep-19
2019
not reported

Ana Paula
Jiutepec, Morelos, Mexico
7-Sep-19
2019
beaten

Carolinne Dias
Santa Maria, Brazil
7-Sep-19
2019
shot

Nemer da Silva Rodrigues
Santa Maria, Brazil
7-Sep-19
2019
stabbed

Name Unknown
Belo Horizonte, Brazil
10-Sep-19
2019
not reported

Name Unknown
Cartagena, Colombia
10-Sep-19
2019
not reported The victim’s body was found in a state of decomposition near a drainage channel.
Ja’leyah Jamar
Kansas City, Kansas, USA
KS
13-Sep-19
2019
shot

Shokir Shavkatov
Tashkent, Uzbekistan
13-Sep-19
2019
dismembered

Luana Piovani
Senador Elói de Souza, Brazil
15-Sep-19
2019
stoned

Bruna Torres
São Carlos, Brazil
15-Sep-19
2019
other

Elisha Chanel Stanley
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
PA
16-Sep-19
2019
not reported

Reena
Baiyapur, India
16-Sep-19
2019
not reported

Jessa Remiendo
Bolinao, Philippines
17-Sep-19
2019
stabbed

Name Unknown
Dushanbe, Tajikistan
17-Sep-19
2019
stabbed

Emmanuelle Agostinho da Silva Barros “Manu”
Santo André, Brazil
19-Sep-19
2019
stabbed

Leandro Parra Hermosilla
Coyhaqye, Aysen, Chile
19-Sep-19
2019
stabbed

Itali Marlowe
Houston, Texas, USA
TX
20-Sep-19
2019
shot

Médely Razard
Itaquaquecetuba, Brazil
20-Sep-19
2019
strangled

Bruna Surfistinha de Freitas
Chorozinho, Brazil
20-Sep-19
2019
shot

Paloma Barreto
Avilés, Spain
21-Sep-19
2019
stabbed

Mhelody Polan Bruno
Wagga Wagga, New South Wales , Australia
21-Sep-19
2019
not reported

Itzayana López Hernández
Alcaldia Alvaro Obregon, Ciudad De Mexico, Mexico
22-Sep-19
2019
asphyxiation

Yoselin Martín Velasco
Ciudad Modelo, Valle Del Cauca, Colombia
28-Sep-19
2019
shot

Name Unknown
Registro, Brazil
28-Sep-19
2019
stabbed

Chhaya
Durg, India
29-Sep-19
2019
not reported

Júnia Franco
Uberlândia, Brazil
29-Sep-19
2019
stabbed

Brianna “BB” Hill
Kansas City, Missouri
MO
14-Oct-19
2019
Shot to death

My university's GSA holds a vigil each year for this, and we recite names like so.

What's even more chilling is that I was the same age as Leelah Alcorn at the time. This day, my heart weighs with the memories of our fallen siblings.

Rest in power.

by **Grenartia** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:08 am

Auzkhia wrote:My university's GSA holds a vigil each year for this, and we recite names like so.

What's even more chilling is that I am the same age as Leelah Alcorn. This day, my heart weighs with the memories of our fallen siblings.

Rest in power.

My campus's LGBT+ group has done one for the past 4 years. We typically don't read the ones from outside the US, because it really detracts from the occasion to hear a bunch of people stumble over how to pronounce Brazilian names, but we do acknowledge them nonetheless.

Leelah struck a chord with me. Thank God I was never in conversion torture like she was, but I noticed a lot of similarities between her and I that were quite striking. For instance, I considered suicide in a similar manner at 17 because I knew the family members I was living with at the time (not my parents, fortunately) wouldn't accept me for being queer. Essentially, there but for the grace of God, go I.

And she was the catalyst for me getting more involved in the community. Because maybe if someone like me, who knew what it was like to walk in her shows, was able to be visible to her, able to show her there's another way, that suicide wasn't the answer, maybe she'd still be alive today.

I actually was the one who got the ball rolling on getting my campus LGBT+ group to start doing TDOR, because of that. Because there wasn't anywhere within an hour and a half at interstate speeds that was doing it.

by **West Leas Oros 2** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:10 am

So then what's this TDOR thing

by **Cekoviu** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:27 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So then what's this TDOR thing

It's a day when you remember everybody who died because they were trans and honor the trans people who died this yesr.

by **Grenartia** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:37 am

Cekoviu wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So then what's this TDOR thing

It's a day when you remember everybody who died because they were trans and honor the trans people who died this yesr.

That's the extremely simplified version, but yes.
Basically, after Rita Hester was killed for being trans, Gwendolyn Ann Smith kickstarted Transgender Day of Remembrance as a way to remember Hester and the other victims of transphobic violence, and its been an annual event ever since. Every year, the list has gotten longer and longer, and trans women of color have been especially overrepresented in the lists.

by **Hediacrana** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:19 am

Thanks for putting the spotlight on TDOR, Gren. And for compiling that sad, long list of murdered trans folks.

As Auzkhia said, may they rest in power.

by **Grenartia** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:36 am

Hediacrana wrote:Thanks for putting the spotlight on TDOR, Gren. And for compiling that sad, long list of murdered trans folks. As Auzkhia said, may they rest in power.

In all fairness, I just copypasted the list. Regardless, I share the sentiment.

by **Cekoviu** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:09 am

Grenartia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:It's a day when you remember everybody who died because they were trans and honor the trans people who died this yesr.

That's the extremely simplified version, but yes.

t. every trans person trying to explain trans issues to cis people with no exposure

by **Auzkhia** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:48 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
That's the extremely simplified version, but yes.

t. every trans person trying to explain trans issues to cis people with no exposure

This was me explaining gender dysphoria to my parents.

by **Grenartia** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:04 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
That's the extremely simplified version, but yes.

t. every trans person trying to explain trans issues to cis people with no exposure

Indeed.

Auzkhia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:t. every trans person trying to explain trans issues to cis people with no exposure

This was me explaining gender dysphoria to my parents.

That's a big oof, but also, same.

by **Hediacrana** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:41 pm

Post from the Queer Theology facebook page:

The question is not "is it ok to be transgender?" but rather "How do transgender people and experiences illuminate the divine?"⠀
⠀
Trans, nonbinary, and gender nonconforming people are beloved children of God. We are made in the image of God. God is trans.⠀
⠀
Today, Transgender Day of Remembrance, is a solemn day for our community. We honor those who came before, those who were misunderstood and rejected by the world. We remember the dead and commit to fight like hell for the living.⠀
⠀
Violence against transgender people is violence against God. We cannot abide it one minute more. Mourn and heal and weep and rage.⠀
⠀
We will not stop until the Kingdom of God is present on earth as it is in heaven. And that can only come when we are seen, respected, honored, and supported in all our divine glory.⠀
⠀
Peace and blessings.

by **Proctopeo** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:59 pm

Hediacrana wrote:Post from the Queer Theology facebook page:

The question is not "is it ok to be transgender?" but rather "How do transgender people and experiences illuminate the divine?"⠀
⠀
Trans, nonbinary, and gender nonconforming people are beloved children of God. We are made in the image of God. God is trans.⠀
⠀
Today, Transgender Day of Remembrance, is a solemn day for our community. We honor those who came before, those who were misunderstood and rejected by the world. We remember the dead and commit to fight like hell for the living.⠀
⠀
Violence against transgender people is violence against God. We cannot abide it one minute more. Mourn and heal and weep and rage.⠀
⠀
We will not stop until the Kingdom of God is present on earth as it is in heaven. And that can only come when we are seen, respected, honored, and supported in all our divine glory.⠀
⠀
Peace and blessings.

What in God's name is this cultish bullshit

by **Cekoviu** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:17 pm

Hediacrana wrote:Post from the Queer Theology facebook page:

The question is not "is it ok to be transgender?" but rather "How do transgender people and experiences illuminate the divine?"⠀
⠀
Trans, nonbinary, and gender nonconforming people are beloved children of God. We are made in the image of God. God is trans.⠀
⠀
Today, Transgender Day of Remembrance, is a solemn day for our community. We honor those who came before, those who were misunderstood and rejected by the world. We remember the dead and commit to fight like hell for the living.⠀
⠀
Violence against transgender people is violence against God. We cannot abide it one minute more. Mourn and heal and weep and rage.⠀
⠀
We will not stop until the Kingdom of God is present on earth as it is in heaven. And that can only come when we are seen, respected, honored, and supported in all our divine glory.⠀
⠀
Peace and blessings.

No.

Proctopeo wrote:
Hediacrana wrote:Post from the Queer Theology facebook page:

What in God's name is this cultish bullshit

I mean, it's pretty standard Christian rhetoric, just with trans rights added to taste.

by **Proctopeo** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:20 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
What in God's name is this cultish bullshit

I mean, it's pretty standard Christian rhetoric, just with trans rights added to taste.

Not really. It's overwhelmingly self-centered (and legitimately what you'd expect from a cult), instead of reaffirming "everyone is God's children and God made everyone in His image".

by **Cekoviu** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:22 pm

Proctopeo wrote:Not really. It's overwhelmingly self-centered (and legitimately what you'd expect from a cult), instead of reaffirming "everyone is God's children and God made everyone in His image".

You also think "black lives matter" means "not all lives matter," don't you?

by **Loben The 2nd** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:25 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Not really. It's overwhelmingly self-centered (and legitimately what you'd expect from a cult), instead of reaffirming "everyone is God's children and God made everyone in His image".

You also think "black lives matter" means "not all lives matter," don't you?

do you have an actual argument or are you just falling back to old rhetoric just because.

by **Proctopeo** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:28 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Not really. It's overwhelmingly self-centered (and legitimately what you'd expect from a cult), instead of reaffirming "everyone is God's children and God made everyone in His image".

You also think "black lives matter" means "not all lives matter," don't you?

These aren't remotely equivalent but okay. Even if BLM did attract lots of self-centered and racist individuals and behavior when it was a thing.

by **Luminesa** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:33 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Not really. It's overwhelmingly self-centered (and legitimately what you'd expect from a cult), instead of reaffirming "everyone is God's children and God made everyone in His image".

You also think "black lives matter" means "not all lives matter," don't you?

Christians should love everyone, yes, because everyone is made in the image of God. But the Imago Dei goes beyond any sort of physical image, because God’s physical image is that of a Palestinian man, carpenter, teacher, and savior in the first century. God can’t be trans, because God doesn’t exist on the spectrum. He exists outside the spectrum, and the feminine and masculine language used to describe the first and third Persons of the Trinity are used to try and grasp an infinite, inherently ungraspable Being. That being said, yes, trans people are made in the Imago Dei, on a different level. They have a soul made to love, to give, to worship, and to comprehend mysteries such as God. Just like any non-trans person. That’s the Imago Dei.

TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

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