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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:07 am
by Cekoviu
Servilis wrote:Terfs have been making a fuss about Trans children like me getting an underwear brand, like dude I just wanna wear underwear that helps me with my problems which involve the human genitalia, like stop calling the Trans adults "pedos" and Trans kids "groomed".

So, I can strike it down that Terfs have a bad eye.


I can also strike down that Terfs are just Femmies whom were indoctrinated by Transphobes without knowing.

Oh no, they're not unwitting useful idiots. TERFs are the transphobes to indoctrinate people, and become full of hate for trans people of their own volition.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:28 am
by Nakena
What flabbergasted me recently was when I did read that TERFs apparently believe that transwoman and queers etc have been engineered by an evil patriachate to penetrate, subvert and destroy feminist and female only spaces from within.

If this sounds a bit too crazy, I am not making this up.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:17 pm
by Auzkhia
TERFs are upholding essentialism that pits men and women against each other as if they're separate, antagonistic beings that can never change, and sex stereotypes, and calling it feminism.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:45 pm
by The Xenopolis Confederation
Auzkhia wrote:TERFs are upholding essentialism that pits men and women against each other as if they're separate, antagonistic beings that can never change, and sex stereotypes, and calling it feminism.

If that's not feminism, then a vast amount of self-proclaimed feminists, including all radical feminists, are not feminists.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:48 pm
by Pacomia
When did they say Birdo was trans

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:54 pm
by Auzkhia
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:TERFs are upholding essentialism that pits men and women against each other as if they're separate, antagonistic beings that can never change, and sex stereotypes, and calling it feminism.

If that's not feminism, then a vast amount of self-proclaimed feminists, including all radical feminists, are not feminists.

It's really a branch of that called radical cultural feminism. A cultural feminist is someone who believes that women and men both have innate essences and that patriarchy has devalued women's roles, and these roles are inherent to both men and women, as if they're fixed from birth. Obviously, trans people do not fit in this model of gender. It sounds quite similar to conservative Christian views on gender, minus the whole thing on free bleeding in St Peter's Basilica.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:08 pm
by Ifreann
Pacomia wrote:When did they say Birdo was trans

All videosgame characters who are not explicitly cis are trans. Praise be to Hatsune Miku, whomst we stan invented videosgame.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:16 pm
by Kowani
Pacomia wrote:When did they say Birdo was trans

Back in Mario Bros 2 or 3, I think.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:40 pm
by Hanafuridake
Cekoviu wrote:Oh no, they're not unwitting useful idiots. TERFs are the transphobes to indoctrinate people, and become full of hate for trans people of their own volition.


From my experience, most TERFs have toxic personalities to begin with, which is probably a major reason why they gravitate toward that direction in the first place. Germaine Greer has said some pretty shockingly sexist things about cis women as much as she has trans woman, for instance.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:44 pm
by Nanatsu no Tsuki
Hanafuridake wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Oh no, they're not unwitting useful idiots. TERFs are the transphobes to indoctrinate people, and become full of hate for trans people of their own volition.


From my experience, most TERFs have toxic personalities to begin with, which is probably a major reason why they gravitate toward that direction in the first place. Germaine Greer has said some pretty shockingly sexist things about cis women as much as she has trans woman, for instance.


We women can be rather brutal and sexist to other women and often, we perpetuate gender roles and tear each other down.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:45 pm
by Pacomia
Ifreann wrote:
Pacomia wrote:When did they say Birdo was trans

All videosgame characters who are not explicitly cis are trans. Praise be to Hatsune Miku, whomst we stan invented videosgame.

In that case, Mario and Luigi are both trans.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:32 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation
Auzkhia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:If that's not feminism, then a vast amount of self-proclaimed feminists, including all radical feminists, are not feminists.

It's really a branch of that called radical cultural feminism. A cultural feminist is someone who believes that women and men both have innate essences and that patriarchy has devalued women's roles, and these roles are inherent to both men and women, as if they're fixed from birth. Obviously, trans people do not fit in this model of gender. It sounds quite similar to conservative Christian views on gender, minus the whole thing on free bleeding in St Peter's Basilica.

A huge amount of the most well known and influential feminists seem to be "cultural feminists" then.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:04 am
by Auzkhia
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:It's really a branch of that called radical cultural feminism. A cultural feminist is someone who believes that women and men both have innate essences and that patriarchy has devalued women's roles, and these roles are inherent to both men and women, as if they're fixed from birth. Obviously, trans people do not fit in this model of gender. It sounds quite similar to conservative Christian views on gender, minus the whole thing on free bleeding in St Peter's Basilica.

A huge amount of the most well known and influential feminists seem to be "cultural feminists" then.

Those who are then, not liberal feminists, radical libertarian feminists, Marxist Feminists, Black Feminists, eco-feminists, and existential Feminists, to name a few, and certainly not Trans-feminists.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:54 am
by Cekoviu
Pacomia wrote:When did they say Birdo was trans

Literally the game in which she was introduced. Her preferred name was Birdetta. Here is the original manual page (note the confusion between Birdo and Ostro; Ostro is actually a separate bird enemy in the game):
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She is misgendered throughout the manual.
In Japanese-exclusive game Captain Rainbow, she has a masculine voice and she is imprisoned for using the “wrong” (female) bathroom, presumably out of transphobia.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:57 am
by Torrocca
... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:01 pm
by Proctopeo
Cekoviu wrote:
Pacomia wrote:When did they say Birdo was trans

Literally the game in which she was introduced. Her preferred name was Birdetta.

Though do make note the difference between Birdo, the character, and Birdo, the species.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:03 pm
by Cekoviu
Proctopeo wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Literally the game in which she was introduced. Her preferred name was Birdetta.

Though do make note the difference between Birdo, the character, and Birdo, the species.

Yeah, there are multiple Birdos. Just the character (that is, the one who is Yoshi's girlfriend) is trans.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:06 pm
by Cappuccina
Torrocca wrote:... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it

Why? What happened? :(

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:11 pm
by Nakena
Torrocca wrote:... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it


Oh my that doesnt sounds good. :hug:

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:43 pm
by Serrus
Torrocca wrote:... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it

:hug: *hugs for Torra* :hug:
What's going on?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:44 pm
by Ifreann
Torrocca wrote:... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it

I believe that's part of the Make Anime Real project.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:46 pm
by Cappuccina
Ifreann wrote:
Torrocca wrote:... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it

I believe that's part of the Make Anime Real project.

We'll have to call the lolice if that ever happens.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:29 pm
by Auzkhia
Torrocca wrote:... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it

Dysphoria sucks, I definitely wish we could just have the bodies we want to our exact specifications.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:33 pm
by Pacomia
Auzkhia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it

Dysphoria sucks, I definitely wish we could just have the bodies we want to our exact specifications.

Eh, you can’t even have that when you’re cis. Sure, you could do gender reassignment surgery, but it’s provably never going to make you look exactly how you want to look. That’s the same if you’re not gender dysphoric. It’s just a part of life.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:36 pm
by Torrocca
Cappuccina wrote:
Torrocca wrote:... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it

Why? What happened? :(

Nakena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it


Oh my that doesnt sounds good. :hug:

Serrus wrote:
Torrocca wrote:... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it

:hug: *hugs for Torra* :hug:
What's going on?

Auzkhia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it

Dysphoria sucks, I definitely wish we could just have the bodies we want to our exact specifications.


:hug: These are just sad hours, is all. I'll be fine eventually ^_^

Ifreann wrote:
Torrocca wrote:... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it

I believe that's part of the Make Anime Real project.


We need to increase that project's resources and funding 100x.