TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Torrocca]

Ohohoho, just wait until you hear about XXY, XYY, or all the other chromosomal variants that, shockingly enough, if you've studied a modicum of biology, aren't that uncommon in human beings.

Actually they *are* that uncommon, plus such irregularities do not apply to every transgender person.

They really aren't that uncommon. Percentage-wise, yes, but considering the most common three (XXX, XXY, XYY) each occur about 1 out of a thousand, then that's about 1 per 300 people. Apply that to the entire human population of about 8 billion, and you've got yourself a solid 24,000,000 people, which is a population larger than most countries. That's not yet accounting for the rarer chromosomal mutations.

[The New California Republic]

I'm aware of cellular nondisjunction. It is not the norm though.

It often causes a lot of health issues.

They symptoms in XYY males vary. Many men are unaware that they are XYY, so the symptoms are not that much of a giveaway a lot of the time.

[The New California Republic]

It often causes a lot of health issues.

Agreed. An example of that would be Down Syndrome which is caused by an extra copy of chromosome 21.

XYY etc is different. The health issues can be very limited.

[Springfeal]

If I want a 1968 Dodge Charger, I want a real 1968 Dodge Charger. Not some 1997 Geo Metro that someone took and modified to make it look like a '68 Charger.

[Torrocca]

I'm aware of cellular nondisjunction. It is not the norm though.

It often causes a lot of health issues.

The most common three generally don't cause health issues, and those they do cause generally aren't noticeable or severe.

[Cekoviu]

Ohohoho, just wait until you hear about XXY, XYY, or all the other chromosomal variants that, shockingly enough, if you've studied a modicum of biology, aren't that uncommon in human beings.

Actually they *are* that uncommon, plus such irregularities do not apply to every transgender person.

I believe Torrocca means they are not uncommon enough to warrant exclusion from a sex categorization based on sex chromosomes. As I recall, most chromosomal irregularities (XXY, XYY, XXX, XXXY, X, XY F, and XX M, that is) actually have either a neutral, untested, or negative correlation with gender dysphoria.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Agreed. An example of that would be Down Syndrome which is caused by an extra copy of chromosome 21.

XYY etc is different. The health issues can be very limited.

Don't worry, I'm aware. I excelled at basic biology.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Actually they *are* that uncommon, plus such irregularities do not apply to every transgender person.

They really aren't that uncommon. Percentage-wise, yes, but considering the most common three (XXX, XXY, XYY) each occur about 1 out of a thousand, then that's about 1 per 300 people. Apply that to the entire human population of about 8 billion, and you've got yourself a solid 24,000,000 people, which is a population larger than most countries. That's not yet accounting for the rarer chromosomal mutations.

That's pretty uncommon.

[Cekoviu]

If I want a 1968 Dodge Charger, I want a real 1968 Dodge Charger. Not some 1997 Geo Metro that someone took and modified to make it look like a '68 Charger.

Hot, but useless, take.

[The Serbian Empire]

Betsy DeVos May Force High Schools to Discriminate Against Trans Athletes
Remember how we kept being told this admin would be the greatest ally we could ask for?

Nope. I don't... As I could see this coming as soon as Pence was named VP.

[Torrocca]

If I want a 1968 Dodge Charger, I want a real 1968 Dodge Charger. Not some 1997 Geo Metro that someone took and modified to make it look like a '68 Charger.

The thread for cars is that way, but thanks for comparing trans people to lifeless machinery.

[The Serbian Empire]

If I want a 1968 Dodge Charger, I want a real 1968 Dodge Charger. Not some 1997 Geo Metro that someone took and modified to make it look like a '68 Charger.

Well, I am not interested in you anyways.

[The New California Republic]

If I want a 1968 Dodge Charger, I want a real 1968 Dodge Charger. Not some 1997 Geo Metro that someone took and modified to make it look like a '68 Charger.

Take that shit elsewhere. It's annoyingly close to the attack helicopter bullshit.

[Springfeal]

If I want a 1968 Dodge Charger, I want a real 1968 Dodge Charger. Not some 1997 Geo Metro that someone took and modified to make it look like a '68 Charger.

The thread for cars is that way, but thanks for comparing trans people to lifeless machinery.

Its the same concept. No matter what you do, a 1997 Geo Metro will never truly be a classic sports car. Even if you completely reshaped its chassis, it doesn't change the fact that it is not a true 1968 Dodge Charger.

[Torrocca]

The thread for cars is that way, but thanks for comparing trans people to lifeless machinery.

Its the same concept. No matter what you do, a 1997 Geo Metro will never truly be a classic sports car. Even if you completely reshaped its chassis, it doesn't change the fact that it is not a true 1968 Dodge Charger.

Nah.

[Cekoviu]

If I want a 1968 Dodge Charger, I want a real 1968 Dodge Charger. Not some 1997 Geo Metro that someone took and modified to make it look like a '68 Charger.

The thread for cars is that way, but thanks for comparing trans people to lifeless machinery.

Specifically, this way: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=441733

The thread for cars is that way, but thanks for comparing trans people to lifeless machinery.

Its the same concept. No matter what you do, a 1997 Geo Metro will never truly be a classic sports car. Even if you completely reshaped its chassis, it doesn't change the fact that it is not a true 1968 Dodge Charger.

If you select your car brands in the same way as you do friends or partners, something is seriously wrong.

[Springfeal]

The thread for cars is that way, but thanks for comparing trans people to lifeless machinery.

Specifically, this way: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=441733

Its the same concept. No matter what you do, a 1997 Geo Metro will never truly be a classic sports car. Even if you completely reshaped its chassis, it doesn't change the fact that it is not a true 1968 Dodge Charger.

If you select your car brands in the same way as you do friends or partners, something is seriously wrong.

I am just saying, no matter what you do, you can't change what you truly are. Same with the cars.

[The New California Republic]

The thread for cars is that way, but thanks for comparing trans people to lifeless machinery.

Its the same concept. No matter what you do, a 1997 Geo Metro will never truly be a classic sports car. Even if you completely reshaped its chassis, it doesn't change the fact that it is not a true 1968 Dodge Charger.

It's not the same concept at all, unless the vehicle is sentient and sapient like fucking KITT from Knight Rider...

[Cekoviu]

Specifically, this way: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=441733

If you select your car brands in the same way as you do friends or partners, something is seriously wrong.

I am just saying, no matter what you do, you can't change what you truly are. Same with the cars.

Funny how the same expression could apply to transgender people attempting to remain in the closet and suppress dysphoria.

[Torrocca]

I am just saying, no matter what you do, you can't change what you truly are. Same with the cars.

Funny how the same expression could apply to transgender people attempting to remain in the closet and suppress dysphoria.

Okay, I felt that one. Why must you so harshly wound my feeble soul, Cek?

[Cekoviu]

Its the same concept. No matter what you do, a 1997 Geo Metro will never truly be a classic sports car. Even if you completely reshaped its chassis, it doesn't change the fact that it is not a true 1968 Dodge Charger.

It's not the same concept at all, unless the vehicle is sentient and sapient like fucking KITT from Knight Rider...

Lightning McQueen did it better.

[Springfeal]

Its the same concept. No matter what you do, a 1997 Geo Metro will never truly be a classic sports car. Even if you completely reshaped its chassis, it doesn't change the fact that it is not a true 1968 Dodge Charger.

It's not the same concept at all, unless the vehicle is sentient and sapient like fucking KITT from Knight Rider...

It is the same concept since our sex is biological. We are born male and female just as cars are made a particular make and model. You can make superficial changes and modifications all you want, but it doesn't alter the truth. A Geo Metro will never be a true Dodge Charger or vice versa.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Specifically, this way: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=441733

If you select your car brands in the same way as you do friends or partners, something is seriously wrong.

I am just saying, no matter what you do, you can't change what you truly are. Same with the cars.

You can do whatever the fuck you want with cars and nobody can tell you otherwise.

[Cekoviu]

It's not the same concept at all, unless the vehicle is sentient and sapient like fucking KITT from Knight Rider...

It is the same concept since our sex is biological. We are born male and female just as cars are made a particular make and model. You can make superficial changes and modifications all you want, but it doesn't alter the truth. A Geo Metro will never be a true Dodge Charger or vice versa.

Gender is far more analogous to the software that the car runs or its interior than the model itself, so your metaphor kinda doesn't work.

[Cekoviu]

I am just saying, no matter what you do, you can't change what you truly are. Same with the cars.

You can do whatever the fuck you want with cars and nobody can tell you otherwise.

Also a very good point.