Grenartia wrote:Saciu wrote:Tranny isn't a slur for everyone.
X to doubt.
It's the same as queer - in fact, debatably, queer should be more offensive, as the word "queer" originally meant strange.
Whatever.
Just talk to transmeds. Seriously. It'll really change your opinion on them.
I did. That's how I got my current opinion on them in the first place.
They're not all horrible.
When they exclude NB people, among plenty of other acts of dickery, yeah, they are.
Honestly, the only downside I have with them is that sometimes they treat me a bit worse because I doubt NB's existence.
I doubt they treat you worse because of that. If anything, they praise you for it.
Also, I don't know any transmeds that hate tucutes more than TERFs.
I've encountered plenty.
I certainly hate TERFs, while I range from showing apathy to dislike towards tucutes.
Then don't be a transmed.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't be able to do what they want with their body. I'd just prefer it if less people suffered needless pain.
Just trust that as long as people are making decisions with informed consent, then they're making the best decisions they can make for themselves.
Just because TERFs say it, it's not necessarily wrong.
It does when they're talking about trans issues.
I'm not saying that you're all trenders. I'm just saying that they do exist.
Mostly as 4chan sockpuppets, and incredibly tiny fringe of gullibles who they've fooled. Not all NB people, as transmeds believe.
I'm not saying that you're not real. You are almost certainly real. You're as real as anyone else on this thread (I won't get into solipsism here). I'm just saying that I don't think Non-Binary is a gender.
Its a class of multiple genders.
I think that there's only male and female, and it's fine if you disagree.
You can think that, but not without running contrary to everything we know about gender identity.
I'm unapologetically trans too. Why wouldn't I be.
I don't know, but you seem to express a fair amount of regret for being trans.
It's not an accomplishment, though, so there's no reason to be proud of it.
That's not what we're being proud for. We're being proud in spite of the bullshit cis society says and does to us.
And no, I don't hate myself.
Sure sounded like it earlier.
I hate the fact that I have a crippling mental condition.
Yes, dysphoria is bad, but again, you can be trans without having dysphoria.
Could you explain how you manage to avoid intense pain caused by gender dysphoria
Drinking, distracting myself, etc. Doesn't work very well, but as I'm currently unable to transition, its the only way of dealing with it that I have.
and the worry of the numerous surgeries you'll have
I don't plan on having any surgery except for one, and even that isn't a sure thing. Fortunately, I don't have bad enough dysphoria about that part of my body to require surgery.
and high amount of discrimination you'll face.
Do my best to change society, and help my fellow trans siblings change it.
There are no transgender bathroom rapists. There are transtrenders.
Again, mostly trolls.
It's not hard to find detransitioners, every single one of whom was once a transtrender
X to doubt.
who then regretted their decision to transition.
Something that can be avoided by truly informed consent.
I did mis-speak about some of the SRS. It's true that dysphoria works differently for different people.
I applaud you for admitting that.
Not. All. Transmeds. Just as I'm aware that none of you believes in shit like autismgender.
I'm not actually sure what you're addressing here.
"Transmedicalism is just Uncle Tom-ism for the trans community." AKA "Everything I don't like is racism"
Not really. Just "these two instances of marginalized people supporting the further marginalization of people like them are pretty damn similar".
Try to be more tolerant. Referring to transmeds as garbage? Not OK. I'm not referring to tucutes as garbage or anything on that level.
The only person I explicitly called garbage was Blaire White. Not transmeds as a whole.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I don't know a huge amount about her, but from what I know, I don't think she has any genuine hate in her heart. She was pretty iffy towards transbians iirc, but she's changed her positions since then. I know she can be bigoted towards NBs, but I don't think it comes from a place of hate. She just needs to learn, not to be called a garbage human.
She also bases the level of respect she has for other trans people on how well they pass, which is enough on its own to justify calling her total garbage.
Judging people's worth based on how pleasant they are to look at is inherently the act of a garbage human being. And, in the case of the trans community, classist and elitist as shit, based on how some of us lost the genetic lottery for passing, and would need hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of surgery to successfully pass. I reserve the right to continue to call her garbage until such time as she either repents for that view, and renounces ever holding it, or until she joins this forum, at which point, I will have to stop calling her that here or face punishment from the mods (though I will continue referring to her as garbage offsite until the first condition is met).
Hediacrana wrote:Thank you for once again putting in the time and effort to respond to a load of that stuff - it's very much appreciated.
And I appreciate that my efforts are appreciated.
One of the most disappointing aspects of public life is that such bullshit narratives about othered people are so incredibly resilient.
Honest question - how does one effectively counter those narratives IRL? I'm not inclined to believe debates and facts really help to change minds, because people in general hate to admit their wrong, and because tribalist loyalties tend to immunize people against facts. But what else can be done?
(I'm talking IRL here because politicized conversations in online forum discussions are an entirely different thing)
What seems to be the case is that people soften up on people of various groups they hate after meeting and getting to know at least one member of one of those groups. I think we learned that lesson from the gay marriage issue.
Not that you shouldn't take personal safety and mental well-being into account.
Cekoviu wrote:Are you still peddling this fucking bullshit? Alright, let's show you how stupid this argument is with an example:
It's funny that physicists claim to be scientists but then say there aren't a finite number of points on the electromagnetic BINARY. Everybody knows there are two electromagnetic categories a ray can have: gamma or radio. Everything else is just pseudoscientific bullshit, and any light ray that physicists claim to be another wavelength is just a confused gamma ray.
As a physicist, God bless you.
Hediacrana wrote:And now you're taking tu quoque to a meta level. Are you intentionally only replying with thinly-veiled versions of "But you!"?
Shit like this is why I blocked him. He's incapable of discussing anything in good faith.
Saciu wrote:I'm not saying that people who claim to be NB are non-existent. I'm saying that NB is non-existent.
Despite all logic and evidence to the contrary.
Isn't it also impolite to say that autismgender isn't real?
No, because it was made up by disrespectful trolls.
Saciu wrote:I've never used 4chan in my life, though. My beliefs are based on two years of trans experience and research.
And I've had 8 years of experience, research, and interacting with other members of the trans community.
Saciu wrote:I like scientific evidence. That's not something that should be judged so negatively.
Sure, but you shouldn't use the (extremely limited) data to police people's identities.
Cappuccina wrote:Why should non-binaryism be taken as a fact without evidence?
I mean, there is evidence. The existence and recognition of non-binary genders in multiple cultures around the world, many with no contact with each other, and separated by incredible geographic barriers. This points to non-binary gender being just as inherent to the human condition as binary gender is.
There's also the fact that literally nothing in the universe fits exclusively in a binary classification system (outside, of course, the "everything either is or is not a potato" type stuff). Saying there are only two genders is as fundamentally flawed as saying there are only 2 subatomic particles: protons and electrons.
Luminesa wrote:The biggest issue in this post is that you’re begging for a random person on the internet to value your identity. This is kind of a serious issue, and if you’re comfortable with your identity then you probably shouldn’t be begging for someone, who has little weight in your life, to say whether or not you’re “trans enough”.
Lumi, no, she isn't begging for validation, she's pointing out flaws in transmed reasoning. It shouldn't be that hard for you to understand. I don't even understand how you could think that.