TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Cekoviu]

My position towards it has always been not caring - doesn't matter if your penis was forcibly altered if you're not going to have it!

I care about it tbh. I think genital integrity is a human right. Luckily I was never circumcised, so if I want to get SRS I'm slightly less fucked.

Don't get me wrong, I care about it on other people for whom it'll actually matter. I'm just not mad about it on me.
I don't think circumcision has a massive impact on SRS generally, so I might be more upset if that were the case.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I care about it tbh. I think genital integrity is a human right. Luckily I was never circumcised, so if I want to get SRS I'm slightly less fucked.

Don't get me wrong, I care about it on other people for whom it'll actually matter. I'm just not mad about it on me.
I don't think circumcision has a massive impact on SRS generally, so I might be more upset if that were the case.

Fair enough. I guess it varies from person to person how they feel about being circumcised or being uncircumcised.

[Dumb Ideologies]

My issue with most liberal theology involves the incredibly open attitude to sex, especially outside marriage, when the Bible consistently warns against sexual immorality. Jesus even teaches that you commit adultery in your heart if you look at another woman with lust.

That's dumb and it's good that people are fixing that sex-negativity.

I'm reminded of that scene in Firefly where River tries to "fix" the Bible.

[Cekoviu]

That's dumb and it's good that people are fixing that sex-negativity.

I'm reminded of that scene in Firefly where River tries to "fix" the Bible.

Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with meme shows from the Middle Ages

[Dumb Ideologies]

I'm reminded of that scene in Firefly where River tries to "fix" the Bible.

Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with meme shows from the Middle Ages

Commiserations on being an uncultured foetus

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I'm reminded of that scene in Firefly where River tries to "fix" the Bible.

Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with meme shows from the Middle Ages

This time you've gone too far.

[Cekoviu]

Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with meme shows from the Middle Ages

Commiserations on being an uncultured foetus

Curious - how many times a day do you say "get off my lawn, whippersnapper" to someone?

Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with meme shows from the Middle Ages

This time you've gone too far.

You can never throw too much shade.

[The New California Republic]

I'm reminded of that scene in Firefly where River tries to "fix" the Bible.

Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with meme shows from the Middle Ages

2002 is the Middle Ages now? I must be truly ancient then, since I remember back when the internet wasn't even a thing...

[Iciaros]

Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with meme shows from the Middle Ages

2002 is the Middle Ages now? I must be truly ancient then, since I remember back when the internet wasn't even a thing...

Pff, don't be silly, no one was alive back then. How could anyone survive without the Internet?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

You can never throw too much shade.

*taps silent alarm* Not at firefly.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Commiserations on being an uncultured foetus

Curious - how many times a day do you say "get off my lawn, whippersnapper" to someone?

The lawn is to the rear of my property as this is the side that is south-facing. For there to be half-grown dunderheads upon it they would have to climb at least two fences, impractical given their diet of fast food and their idea of exercise being a lengthy "sesh" shooting the avatars of other tubsters in Battle Royales on their Chubstation.

[The New California Republic]

2002 is the Middle Ages now? I must be truly ancient then, since I remember back when the internet wasn't even a thing...

Pff, don't be silly, no one was alive back then. How could anyone survive without the Internet?

Just as a short aside I would actually like it if NSforums were structured such that, in order to make a post, you needed to type it on a typewriter and post it somewhere, and then it was put on the forum. It would limit the number of people posting shit, as I doubt there are many trolls dedicated enough to jump through all those hoops.

[Novus America]

2002 is the Middle Ages now? I must be truly ancient then, since I remember back when the internet wasn't even a thing...

Pff, don't be silly, no one was alive back then. How could anyone survive without the Internet?

Oh we had internet.
You youngins have no idea how easy you have it though.
Back in my early school days you had to plug a computer into the wall for the internet to work, and you could not make calls a the same time! Pictures took forever to download and forget about streaming.
When I went to grade school we had to dial up! Both ways!

[Torrocca]

Sure they are, if we're to accept your belief that your oh so infallible God didn't mean for LGBTQ+ people to be valid.



Again, yes the fuck they are, considering A) what I just said above and B) the Vatican's recent declaration about forcing intersex infants into surgery, with no regard for human rights.

1. Only one's actions will condemn them to Hell. Nothing else.

Which means we inherently can't treat things like homosexuality, intersexuality, or transitioning as sinful, since the LGBTQ+ are created in God's image. It's that simple, chief.

2. What inherent aspect of the surgery forces someone to live a torturous life? Are they permanently incapable of finding happiness afterwards?

Gee, I dunno, how is it torturous to be forced to endure limb removal entirely against your will because some people decided, "oh yeah we totally have God on our side here," and began forcing people to endure such things?

Nah, clearly if we just pretend things are going All According To The Great Plan^TM, that'll mean all LGBTQ+ problems are actually nonexistent because God said so because God is infallible. Or something. Obviously. Duh.

I maintain that if the claim that God is a god of love is true, LGBT people are his creation, he loves them and therefore that matter.

Exactly. <3

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I guess I’m just trying to cover all my bases hypothetically. Nervous future mom, you know. Which is perhaps me anticipating a lot, I’m not pregnant. But this is a thought that has occupied me a few times. Maybe I’m also seeking to overprotect a hypothetical child. Time will tell here, right?

I can certainly relate - I became a parent last year.

How do you reconcile queer theology with the Bible stating multiple times that homosexuality is immoral?

The very issue is that that's a contested interpretation. Ideally, I'd really suggest you just take a look at that book that I linked to in the post you replied to, it's excellent, but in lieu of that, take a look at https://www.queertheology.com/what-do-we-do-with-the-bible/ and the resources listed on that page.

Oh my, Heddy. Congrats! ^_^

[Cekoviu]

Curious - how many times a day do you say "get off my lawn, whippersnapper" to someone?

The lawn is to the rear of my property as this is the side that is south-facing. For there to be half-grown dunderheads upon it they would have to climb at least two fences, impractical given their diet of fast food and their idea of exercise being a lengthy "sesh" shooting the avatars of other tubsters in Battle Royales on their Chubstation.

So the answer is "more frequently than you could possibly imagine", then.

[Hediacrana]

I can certainly relate - I became a parent last year.


The very issue is that that's a contested interpretation. Ideally, I'd really suggest you just take a look at that book that I linked to in the post you replied to, it's excellent, but in lieu of that, take a look at https://www.queertheology.com/what-do-we-do-with-the-bible/ and the resources listed on that page.

Oh my, Heddy. Congrats! ^_^

Thanks

[Dumb Ideologies]

The lawn is to the rear of my property as this is the side that is south-facing. For there to be half-grown dunderheads upon it they would have to climb at least two fences, impractical given their diet of fast food and their idea of exercise being a lengthy "sesh" shooting the avatars of other tubsters in Battle Royales on their Chubstation.

So the answer is "more frequently than you could possibly imagine", then.

Hmm, not sure this collab is working out well enough for a regular slot.

[The Rich Port]

Not at all; Queer theology is a serious endeavor, and has been around for decades, both in affirming congregations and in academia.This book by professor Marcella Althaus-Reid is a good starter.

How do you reconcile queer theology with the Bible stating multiple times that homosexuality is immoral?

The same reason any theology can be contested: basic philosophy.

Theology exists within and without logic. Any theological interpretation is a matter of one-sided thinking, focusing purely on useless axioms that mean nothing by themselves because they can't be proven through evidence.

Any reasonable person would say that every other interpretation of theology is just as valid as every other interpretation of a theological framework unless it's completely without a shred of reason.

So The Bible says "a man laying with another man is an abomination".

1.) So what? Plenty of religious people aren't Bible worshipers. It's a Christian-centric view to take.

2.) The Bible never addresses WHY it is an abomination, there is only rampant speculation as to what it means. It could have easily been several thing that weren't just "the act itself is an abomination". Many believe it was to encourage breeding, and to discourage non-breeding. Religious authorities can be two-faced in that way. Others believe it was a superstition, that the act itself would bring down calamities and diseases. Idiotic superstitions are nothing new, I suppose, but they're also nothing old yet. That doesn't mean Christians should be prey to them, because THAT is the real abomination.

3.) Individual Christians have neither the power nor the right to try to forcefully "save" sinners and judge them. It is hubris, pride, and loathsome to attempt to do what only God can do, in defiance and open contempt of what Jesus asked us to do, which is to forgive and to forget. It's one thing to seek justice, but I fail to see how punishing homosexuals for trying to find love and happiness is any kind of justice.

[Aidonaian Soviet Republic]

I can interpret the Bible just fine and put it where it belongs: the wastebasket of history.

[The Rich Port]

I can interpret the Bible just fine and put it where it belongs: the wastebasket of history.

Yes thank you, I made that point, even if it was in so many words -_-

[United Muscovite Nations]

How do you reconcile queer theology with the Bible stating multiple times that homosexuality is immoral?

The same reason any theology can be contested: basic philosophy.

Theology exists within and without logic. Any theological interpretation is a matter of one-sided thinking, focusing purely on useless axioms that mean nothing by themselves because they can't be proven through evidence.

Any reasonable person would say that every other interpretation of theology is just as valid as every other interpretation of a theological framework unless it's completely without a shred of reason.

Not really, it has axioms the same as any other form of philosophy, but we still have to reason within those axioms. There are many fields in philosophy in which we don't have concrete evidence to work with, but rely on logic to come to conclusions about things. Theology just uses as it's axiom a "if this, then that" form of inquiry, which is how most inquiries begin.

[Aidonaian Soviet Republic]

Yes thank you, I made that point, even if it was in so many words -_-

Glad I could help.

[Aidonaian Soviet Republic]

Not really, it has axioms the same as any other form of philosophy, but we still have to reason within those axioms.

Even better, reason without those axioms.

There are many fields in philosophy in which we don't have concrete evidence to work with, but rely on logic to come to conclusions about things.

We have plenty of concrete evidence.

Theology just uses as it's axiom a "if this, then that" form of inquiry, which is how most inquiries begin.

Most of the time it just point blank says things, like “trans people are against nature” or “sleeping with other men is an abomination.” Not that I care to hear any reasoning on the matter, I know where to put other people’s opinions on my “lifestyle”.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Not really, it has axioms the same as any other form of philosophy, but we still have to reason within those axioms.

Even better, reason without those axioms.

There are many fields in philosophy in which we don't have concrete evidence to work with, but rely on logic to come to conclusions about things.

We have plenty of concrete evidence.

Theology just uses as it's axiom a "if this, then that" form of inquiry, which is how most inquiries begin.

Most of the time it just point blank says things, like “trans people are against nature” or “sleeping with other men is an abomination.” Not that I care to hear any reasoning on the matter, I know where to put other people’s opinions on my “lifestyle”.

Maybe some people do that, but that's not really theology. Theology is stuff like the Summa, which makes a great deal of effort to come up with a comprehensive idea of morality (even if it's one I don't agree with).

And we don't have concrete evidence in every field of philosophy, like Epistemology or Ethics.