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Who is your favorite contemporary trans celebrity?

Laverne Cox
4
8%
Natalie Wynn
16
33%
Chaz Bono
0
No votes
Thomas Beatie
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No votes
Bailey Jay
3
6%
Laura Jane Grace
5
10%
Jazz Jennings
2
4%
Cavetown
3
6%
Kim Petras
4
8%
Other (please comment in the thread)
11
23%
 
Total votes : 48

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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 9:30 pm

Nakena wrote:I am an adorable yet genderfluid, bisexual, biological male with a strong feminine side.

Call me she/him/them. As you please.

Is this the right thread for me?


You're absolutely welcome here! Enjoy being here, friendo <3
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 9:30 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It's also extremely hard for me to cry as well and I hate it.

I cried when it upset, it wasn't hard, but I can tear up with a wider range of emotions, it's not being sad or anger, but even good stuff too. I never knew crying tears of joy was a thing. I heard of it, but never experienced it.

I just realized that I've never cried tears of joy before. But... I really really want to be able to.
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Postby Nakena » Tue May 21, 2019 9:38 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Nakena wrote:I am an adorable yet genderfluid, bisexual, biological male with a strong feminine side.

Call me she/him/them. As you please.

Is this the right thread for me?

Yes, absolutely! Welcome friendo.

I consider myself genderfluid, though with a pretty specific range between androgyne and girl.


Thanks!

I've think genderfluid fits me the most, I find it difficult to pinpoint myself down on some spectrum or range. Let's say it's complicated, but in some aspects I lean more towards the girl side in a way.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 21, 2019 10:33 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:I cried when it upset, it wasn't hard, but I can tear up with a wider range of emotions, it's not being sad or anger, but even good stuff too. I never knew crying tears of joy was a thing. I heard of it, but never experienced it.

I just realized that I've never cried tears of joy before. But... I really really want to be able to.


Neither have I, to be fair. Such are the joys of having the emotional range of a teaspoon.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 22, 2019 1:34 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I just realized that I've never cried tears of joy before. But... I really really want to be able to.


Neither have I, to be fair. Such are the joys of having the emotional range of a teaspoon.

I guess HRT effects everyone differently. No clue how it'll effect me, if I go on it.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 22, 2019 2:06 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Neither have I, to be fair. Such are the joys of having the emotional range of a teaspoon.

I guess HRT effects everyone differently. No clue how it'll effect me, if I go on it.


It can certainly result in feeling emotions more strongly, but it doesn't necessarily provide any additional emotional intelligence or depth of understanding.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 22, 2019 2:14 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I guess HRT effects everyone differently. No clue how it'll effect me, if I go on it.


It can certainly result in feeling emotions more strongly, but it doesn't necessarily provide any additional emotional intelligence or depth of understanding.

I just want to be able to cry tbh. I remember fully crying only ONCE in the past 2 years, and that's not through lack of sadness, or lack of joy.


But enough about me, I have another question about HRT and emotions to anyone who's taken it; does HRT increase anger and aggression or decrease it, or leave it alone?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 22, 2019 2:31 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
It can certainly result in feeling emotions more strongly, but it doesn't necessarily provide any additional emotional intelligence or depth of understanding.

I just want to be able to cry tbh. I remember fully crying only ONCE in the past 2 years, and that's not through lack of sadness, or lack of joy.


But enough about me, I have another question about HRT and emotions to anyone who's taken it; does HRT increase anger and aggression or decrease it, or leave it alone?


It depends. For people primarily angsty because of dysphoria the effects of mones can reduce it. For people who are just hot-headed it might make them moreso, either temporarily because of "second puberty" or the way their chemical balance eventually shakes out. And of course that's an "if nothing else" way of looking at it, if people start practising better self-care that could easily outweigh any effect either way.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 22, 2019 4:54 am

Auzkhia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It's also extremely hard for me to cry as well and I hate it.

I cried when it upset, it wasn't hard, but I can tear up with a wider range of emotions, it's not being sad or anger, but even good stuff too. I never knew crying tears of joy was a thing. I heard of it, but never experienced it.

Same thing happened to me, as well as randomly crying at decreasing intervals depending on the time of the month.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed May 22, 2019 10:14 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Felt Karpit wrote:
I've been on testosterone 4 years (actually 4 years today exactly) and the effect it has had on my emotions isn't too much honestly. I am more emotionally stable, though I would say that is less testosterone and more just me feeling less dysphoria. Though the biggest difference emotionally would be that it is extremely hard for me to cry now.

It's also extremely hard for me to cry as well and I hate it.


Honestly, same.

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed May 22, 2019 10:18 am

Nakena wrote:I am an adorable yet genderfluid, bisexual, biological male with a strong feminine side.

Call me she/him/them. As you please.

Is this the right thread for me?


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Postby Iciaros » Wed May 22, 2019 10:20 am

Grenartia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It's also extremely hard for me to cry as well and I hate it.


Honestly, same.


It doesn't take much to get me to cry. It is really cathartic, but having your nose really blocked and having a mountain of tissues on your table/bin afterwards is a little annoying. Would still recommend though.

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed May 22, 2019 10:22 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Felt Karpit wrote:
I've been on testosterone 4 years (actually 4 years today exactly) and the effect it has had on my emotions isn't too much honestly. I am more emotionally stable, though I would say that is less testosterone and more just me feeling less dysphoria. Though the biggest difference emotionally would be that it is extremely hard for me to cry now.

It's also extremely hard for me to cry as well and I hate it.


I have the opposite problem. Everything makes me cry.

I also cry at the weirdest things and weirdest contexts.

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Postby Nakena » Wed May 22, 2019 10:34 am

Iciaros wrote:Welcome! Have a crumpet and enjoy your stay. :)


Thankies :D

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I'm joshin', welcome to the continent, darlin'.


Just the Queen of Nakena for now. You can call me just Nak if you like. (not related to Nak Nak in anyway)

Thanks for the warm welcome <3
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Postby Felt Karpit » Wed May 22, 2019 10:41 am

I love arguing with TERFs cause they always are so obsessed with trying to misgender me that they always gender me correctly. And then when I tell them I am actually trans masc they call me a lesbian, and then I tell them that I'm not attracted to women. It is always just a circle of them trying to insult me and me having to tell them, whoops, wrong insult.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 22, 2019 10:45 am

I cry almost daily at any inconsequential shit, usually with little or no idea of the reason. Rage uncontrollably and fantasise murder too at similar thresholds. It's not a sign of superior emotional intelligence or depth, as I say, often it's inability to healthily process emotional stimuli.

I regard it as a legitimate weakness and sign of poor self-control and I'd rather it weren't a thing.
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Postby Nakena » Wed May 22, 2019 10:48 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I cry almost daily at any inconsequential shit, usually with little or no idea of the reason. Rage uncontrollably and fantasise murder too at similar thresholds. It's not a sign of superior emotional intelligence or depth, as I say, often it's inability to healthily process emotional stimuli.


Sounds more like emotional overreactions the way you describe it.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I regard it as a legitimate weakness and sign of poor self-control and I'd rather it weren't a thing.


The emotions itself aren't bad, if you learn to master and channel them they can be helpful and wont overcomming you so fast. But it takes time.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 22, 2019 10:53 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I cry almost daily at any inconsequential shit, usually with little or no idea of the reason. Rage uncontrollably and fantasise murder too at similar thresholds. It's not a sign of superior emotional intelligence or depth, as I say, often it's inability to healthily process emotional stimuli.

I regard it as a legitimate weakness and sign of poor self-control and I'd rather it weren't a thing.

My fantasies when angry are about me talking about my real feelings to the person(s) I'm mad at; meanwhile, you're over here talking about murder fantasies. :lol2:
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Postby Cappuccina » Wed May 22, 2019 11:20 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I just realized that I've never cried tears of joy before. But... I really really want to be able to.


Neither have I, to be fair. Such are the joys of having the emotional range of a teaspoon.

I'm basically the same, strong emotions are practically alien to me....except anger have a bad temper.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 22, 2019 11:35 am

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Neither have I, to be fair. Such are the joys of having the emotional range of a teaspoon.

I'm basically the same, strong emotions are practically alien to me....except anger have a bad temper.


Can see how my original post was misleading here. I actually meant the opposite; zero range, straight from "don't care" to "all of the feelings and I don't understand them".
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Postby Cappuccina » Wed May 22, 2019 12:02 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:I'm basically the same, strong emotions are practically alien to me....except anger have a bad temper.


Can see how my original post was misleading here. I actually meant the opposite; zero range, straight from "don't care" to "all of the feelings and I don't understand them".

Lol, I'm way different then, my emotional expression is pretty limited compared to most people. I've been called "emotionless" more than a few times.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed May 22, 2019 12:26 pm

Emotions can be a real pain. I’m not trans, but I can relate to this sort of emotional struggle.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed May 22, 2019 12:26 pm

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Auzkhia wrote:Exactly. It's basically a by word for "trans person I don't like".

Literally not.

It also validates cis ignorance and gives transphobes more ammunition.

How?

More gatekeeping hurts the trans community.

Gatekeeping is a necessary action to ensure order, stability, and consistency. Look at what a mess feminism became due to people waiting to gatekeep until it was too late to do anything: they got, among many other things, TERFs from not doing so.

Even if "trenders" were real, one person getting through and then having to detranisition would be better than people waiting years for HRT or surgeries and needing two letters of recommendation from (usually cis) psychologists to "prove" that they are dysphoric enough to get treatment.

A balanced approach is best in this case.

Call me a "tucute" (something transmedicalists call their detractors),

Actually, it's what anti-transmedicalists (specifically, one clique of them, but the term has since broadened) call themselves. "Truscum" comes from the same source, and is a term broadly used by anti-transmedicalists to refer to transmedicalists in a derogatory way.

but I think we should let all trans people, and nonbinary people, they are trans too, transition as soon as they can, however that means to them. Not everyone wants "surgery", for example. There is no right way to be trans. How do you know you are one? By not being your assigned gender at birth.

Galaxy brain stuff right here. Circular definitions, unlike circular objects, get you nowhere but your starting point, you know.


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Postby Auzkhia » Wed May 22, 2019 1:48 pm

Felt Karpit wrote:I love arguing with TERFs cause they always are so obsessed with trying to misgender me that they always gender me correctly. And then when I tell them I am actually trans masc they call me a lesbian, and then I tell them that I'm not attracted to women. It is always just a circle of them trying to insult me and me having to tell them, whoops, wrong insult.

Most trans mascs and men I came across were either gay, bi, pan, or ace, and gay and ace trans men are obviously not attracted to women. Het trans men are not lesbians, they're straight men. It's erasure at its finest in many cases.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 22, 2019 1:58 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Felt Karpit wrote:I love arguing with TERFs cause they always are so obsessed with trying to misgender me that they always gender me correctly. And then when I tell them I am actually trans masc they call me a lesbian, and then I tell them that I'm not attracted to women. It is always just a circle of them trying to insult me and me having to tell them, whoops, wrong insult.

Most trans mascs and men I came across were either gay, bi, pan, or ace, and gay and ace trans men are obviously not attracted to women. Het trans men are not lesbians, they're straight men. It's erasure at its finest in many cases.

I know like 10 trans men irl very well, and not a single one is straight, oddly enough.
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