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Who is your favorite contemporary trans celebrity?

Laverne Cox
4
8%
Natalie Wynn
17
34%
Chaz Bono
0
No votes
Thomas Beatie
0
No votes
Bailey Jay
4
8%
Laura Jane Grace
5
10%
Jazz Jennings
2
4%
Cavetown
3
6%
Kim Petras
4
8%
Other (please comment in the thread)
11
22%
 
Total votes : 50

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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 3:35 pm

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Torrocca wrote:Well, I've had it used against me hatefully, for a first-hand source to start with, but I'm sure you'll just dismiss that.


Yes I will.


Of course. But at the same time, we just have to trust that you and Proct both are being truthful in never having seen it happen, am I right?
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Postby Rostavykhan » Tue May 21, 2019 3:36 pm

I mean TBF to be a trap, one needs to be convincing.

When people say "trap", it's meant to refer to a boy who looks like a girl to the point that one thinks they are female - only realizing after that they aren't...hence the name "trap."

To call someone a trap otherwise is...incorrect, really. If they're trans? They're not a boy who looks like a girl at that point, and if you can tell they're a guy despite them wearing feminine clothes, then that's also not really a trap.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 3:38 pm

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Of course. But at the same time, we just have to trust that you and Proct both are being truthful in never having seen it happen, am I right?

No, feel free to doubt that. Just show us this invisible rash of people using the word "trap" to disparage transgender people.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 3:39 pm

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Torrocca wrote:Well, I've had it used against me hatefully, for a first-hand source to start with, but I'm sure you'll just dismiss that.


Yes I will.

At least you're honest?
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue May 21, 2019 3:40 pm

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And again, coming from the girl who hasn't really much besides TIL, 10/10, etc.


Nah, I've said a lot more than just that. I'm just tired at this point of having to deal with this bullshit.

How dare people not immediately jump over to your side! Clearly, the answer is to degrade post quality to "Chinese bootleg".

Do you actually have a source for anyone using the term trap to degrade transgender people? I could find you a link to someone using the word faggot hatefully, to someone using the word nigger hatefully, Proctopeo claims to have never seen this occur with transgender people which has led me to notice I've never seen it either.


Well, I've had it used against me hatefully, for a first-hand source to start with, but I'm sure you'll just dismiss that.

Yeah... for many reasons, I'm going to have to doubt (and thoroughly dismiss) your claim in its entirety. Most importantly, I have negative trust in you.

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Torrocca wrote:Well, I've had it used against me hatefully, for a first-hand source to start with, but I'm sure you'll just dismiss that.


Yes I will.

Like, from the outset, it sounds like a made-up event being used as a trump card.

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Yes I will.


Of course. But at the same time, we just have to trust that you and Proct both are being truthful in never having seen it happen, am I right?

Friends and acquaintances of mine can back me up as a trustworthy source who wouldn't lie just to win an argument. I legitimately have never seen it happen once, nor have I ever been given an actual example of such. Scout's honor.

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Torrocca wrote:
Of course. But at the same time, we just have to trust that you and Proct both are being truthful in never having seen it happen, am I right?

No, feel free to doubt that. Just show us this invisible rash of people using the word "trap" to disparage transgender people.

They're hiding in the Sugandese jungle.

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Yes I will.

At least you're honest?

See, Cekoviu considers Des-Bal an honest person, as do I. He wouldn't lie unless it was to save his life, and this ain't a life-or-death scenario.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 3:43 pm

Cekoviu wrote:At least you're honest?


Why would I be dishonest? I don't care about your personal experiences or really anything you can't link to. As far as I can tell people mostly use the word trap to refer to cisgender men and occasionally to transgender people who like the appellation. I don't think I'd have to look very hard for a hate post featuring the word nigger being used in a hostile fashion.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue May 21, 2019 3:51 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:At least you're honest?


Why would I be dishonest? I don't care about your personal experiences or really anything you can't link to. As far as I can tell people mostly use the word trap to refer to cisgender men and occasionally to transgender people who like the appellation. I don't think I'd have to look very hard for a hate post featuring the word nigger being used in a hostile fashion.

And we should care about your experience when it comes to how the word is used when you can't link to it...why?
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 3:54 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Of course. But at the same time, we just have to trust that you and Proct both are being truthful in never having seen it happen, am I right?

No, feel free to doubt that. Just show us this invisible rash of people using the word "trap" to disparage transgender people.


Well, to start with, there's this book which is being explicitly anti-trans. There's this article outlining the reasons trap is a slur. Another article. A third one.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue May 21, 2019 3:56 pm

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments ... _absolute/

Well here's a lovely thread.

... I think it doesn't help that I can't tell whether this reddit and/or the thread itself are being ironic.

I don't really frequent Reddit so who knows, maybe I'm being clowned on.

Not getting what the joke is though.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 3:57 pm

The Rich Port wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6pphld/tranny_tricks_man_in_to_sex_murders_xir_absolute/

Well here's a lovely thread.

... I think it doesn't help that I can't tell whether this reddit and/or the thread itself are being ironic.

I don't really frequent Reddit so who knows, maybe I'm being clowned on.

Not getting what the joke is though.


r/Drama's being completely unironic.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 3:59 pm

The Rich Port wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6pphld/tranny_tricks_man_in_to_sex_murders_xir_absolute/

Well here's a lovely thread.

... I think it doesn't help that I can't tell whether this reddit and/or the thread itself are being ironic.

I don't really frequent Reddit so who knows, maybe I'm being clowned on.

Not getting what the joke is though.

No, /r/drama is basically Kiwifarms/Encyclopaedia Dramatica but on Reddit if I'm remembering right (haven't used reddit in 2+ years). It's toxic af.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue May 21, 2019 3:59 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6pphld/tranny_tricks_man_in_to_sex_murders_xir_absolute/

Well here's a lovely thread.

... I think it doesn't help that I can't tell whether this reddit and/or the thread itself are being ironic.

I don't really frequent Reddit so who knows, maybe I'm being clowned on.

Not getting what the joke is though.


r/Drama's being completely unironic.


One of the most malevolent, cruel, coldhearted online communities you'll ever find. you think [slur]town was bad? That subreddit, if you pick up on the dog-whistles (and many don't even bother with that-- say want you want about Stormfront, at least it bans "n[slur]"), will reveal itself to you as Reddit's number one hub for the web's most hardened Nazis, Klansmen, Fascists, and Gamergaters.


Oh how Poe's Law has never been so true.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 4:00 pm

Neutraligon wrote:And we should care about your experience when it comes to how the word is used when you can't link to it...why?


You shouldn't and I'd never ask you to. When I say "I've never seen any evidence of bigfoot" I'm not asking you to value my experience I'm questioning the existence of a thing.




That's a jackoff book, and three people saying don't use the word.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 4:01 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
r/Drama's being completely unironic.


One of the most malevolent, cruel, coldhearted online communities you'll ever find. you think [slur]town was bad? That subreddit, if you pick up on the dog-whistles (and many don't even bother with that-- say want you want about Stormfront, at least it bans "n[slur]"), will reveal itself to you as Reddit's number one hub for the web's most hardened Nazis, Klansmen, Fascists, and Gamergaters.


Oh how Poe's Law has never been so true.

Even worse than I remembered. Fucking disgusting. How can Reddit have beautiful place like oldpeoplefacebook and this garbage in the same place?
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue May 21, 2019 4:02 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:


Oh how Poe's Law has never been so true.

Even worse than I remembered. Fucking disgusting. How can Reddit have beautiful place like oldpeoplefacebook and this garbage in the same place?


No filter rule, sadly, my friend.

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Postby Rostavykhan » Tue May 21, 2019 4:03 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6pphld/tranny_tricks_man_in_to_sex_murders_xir_absolute/

Well here's a lovely thread.

... I think it doesn't help that I can't tell whether this reddit and/or the thread itself are being ironic.

I don't really frequent Reddit so who knows, maybe I'm being clowned on.

Not getting what the joke is though.

No, /r/drama is basically Kiwifarms/Encyclopaedia Dramatica but on Reddit if I'm remembering right (haven't used reddit in 2+ years). It's toxic af.


Comparing that to KF is kinda silly though. If the description is anything to go by, r/Drama is the type of thing that would be made fun of on Kiwi Farms just for being full of too-edgy Alt-Lite lolcows and weirdos.

Encyclopedia Dramatica? Eh, maybe a better comparison. ED is kinda dumb IMO.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue May 21, 2019 4:05 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:No, /r/drama is basically Kiwifarms/Encyclopaedia Dramatica but on Reddit if I'm remembering right (haven't used reddit in 2+ years). It's toxic af.


Comparing that to KF is kinda silly though. If the description is anything to go by, r/Drama is the type of thing that would be made fun of on Kiwi Farms just for being full of too-edgy Alt-Lite lolcows and weirdos.

Encyclopedia Dramatica? Eh, maybe a better comparison. ED is kinda dumb IMO.


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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 4:06 pm



Well that certainly makes its use in reference to a trans character "trapping" a dude into sex a-okay, amirite? :roll:

and three people saying don't use the word.


How many more trans people need to say it's a slur toward trans people before you realize that maybe you're wrong, perchance?

Like, how many trans communities expressing near-uniform solidarity toward the idea of it being a slur would you need to see to understand you're wrong?
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 4:11 pm

Torrocca wrote:Well that certainly makes its use in reference to a trans character "trapping" a dude into sex a-okay, amirite? :roll:

How many more trans people need to say it's a slur toward trans people before you realize that maybe you're wrong, perchance?



Reading the description it's not about trapping anyone into sex it's about getting stuck at a party with someone. This of course neglects that you're supposed to be aggrieved by people using a word in hate to disparage transgender people, not people masturbating.

I am shocked at how many fucking times I told you I don't care, it doesn't matter, and it's totally irrelevant. I thought we were in a good place, that you got this? I don't care. If trap is ever used to insult transgender people it's exceedingly rare.
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Postby Rostavykhan » Tue May 21, 2019 4:12 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
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Comparing that to KF is kinda silly though. If the description is anything to go by, r/Drama is the type of thing that would be made fun of on Kiwi Farms just for being full of too-edgy Alt-Lite lolcows and weirdos.

Encyclopedia Dramatica? Eh, maybe a better comparison. ED is kinda dumb IMO.


KiwiFarms isn't exactly free and clear when it comes to A-logs and insanity, they'll admit it themselves.


Of course; I'm familiar with a-logs and lolcows being on the farms themselves. Just look at Jonathan Ross and his orbiters, for a few.

But I digress.

lol.

Torrocca wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
That's a jackoff book,


Well that certainly makes its use in reference to a trans character "trapping" a dude into sex a-okay, amirite? :roll:


Yes.

Because it's porn. Smut authors don't care about the feelings of people not into their fetish. They care about getting people's rocks off.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 4:17 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Well that certainly makes its use in reference to a trans character "trapping" a dude into sex a-okay, amirite? :roll:

How many more trans people need to say it's a slur toward trans people before you realize that maybe you're wrong, perchance?



Reading the description it's not about trapping anyone into sex it's about getting stuck at a party with someone.


I like how the title and the description that the main character is getting "tricked" into sleeping with a trans girl is utterly irrelevant, here.

I am shocked at how many fucking times I told you I don't care,


And you know what? I genuinely do not give a single iota of a fuck that you don't care; your care or lack thereof is utterly, entirely fucking irrelevant to the fact that trap is a slur to trans people.

it doesn't matter, and it's totally irrelevant.


Yes, it fucking does, and it doesn't fucking matter how many times you state it doesn't. It does. If a trans person is or multiple trans people are explicitly fucking telling you that "trap" negatively affects us, that it's hurtful and a slur, then it's a fucking slur. Same if black people are telling you that "nigger" negatively affects them or if gay people tell you that "faggot" negatively affects them. You can keep saying all the hell you want that it "doesn't matter," but it fucking does and your fucking pandering doesn't change that a single Goddamn bit.

I thought we were in a good place, that you got this? I don't care.


Yeah, I completely get that you don't give a fuck, and I don't give a fuck about that, either. You're, simply put, fucking wrong.

If trap is ever used to insult transgender people it's exceedingly rare.


And that's exactly why trans communities, by and large, treat it as a slur, right? Am I right?
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 4:29 pm

Torrocca wrote:
I like how the title and the description that the main character is getting "tricked" into sleeping with a trans girl is utterly irrelevant, here.


And you know what? I genuinely do not give a single iota of a fuck that you don't care; your care or lack thereof is utterly, entirely fucking irrelevant to the fact that trap is a slur to trans people.


Tricked does not appear in the description "trapped on the thirty-third floor" does.

The gender of the person making the determination as to whether or not a word is a slur does not matter one little bit. Nigger isn't a slur because black people say so it's a slur because it's principle use is to denigrate and insult. Transgender people aren't even the party principally being called traps. You can rant and rave all you like, I have told you several times I don't care how many people on the internet are mad about a thing, I don't care how many groups are up in arms about it- that doesn't prove it's real.

You are on the internet and when I asked you to point to someone using the word hatefully you came up with a pornographer who is probably transgender herself using repetition in a title.
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Postby Cappuccina » Tue May 21, 2019 4:31 pm

Well, somebody sure is angry.

Idk, why "trap" would be offensive to anyone, not like people aren't gonna do a trendy "reclaiming" of the word in like two years anyways.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 4:31 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I like how the title and the description that the main character is getting "tricked" into sleeping with a trans girl is utterly irrelevant, here.


And you know what? I genuinely do not give a single iota of a fuck that you don't care; your care or lack thereof is utterly, entirely fucking irrelevant to the fact that trap is a slur to trans people.


Tricked does not appear in the description "trapped on the thirty-third floor" does.

The gender of the person making the determination as to whether or not a word is a slur does not matter one little bit. Nigger isn't a slur because black people say so it's a slur because it's principle use is to denigrate and insult. Transgender people aren't even the party principally being called traps. You can rant and rave all you like, I have told you several times I don't care how many people on the internet are mad about a thing, I don't care how many groups are up in arms about it- that doesn't prove it's real.

You are on the internet and when I asked you to point to someone using the word hatefully you came up with a pornographer who is probably transgender herself using repetition in a title.


I have a hard time believing you truly don't care when you're putting this much effort into arguing.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 4:35 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I like how the title and the description that the main character is getting "tricked" into sleeping with a trans girl is utterly irrelevant, here.


And you know what? I genuinely do not give a single iota of a fuck that you don't care; your care or lack thereof is utterly, entirely fucking irrelevant to the fact that trap is a slur to trans people.


Tricked does not appear in the description "trapped on the thirty-third floor" does.


Did you not bother reading the last sentence of the description? it outright implies exactly that situation of the main character getting "tricked".

The gender of the person making the determination as to whether or not a word is a slur does not matter one little bit. Nigger isn't a slur because black people say so it's a slur because it's principle use is to denigrate and insult.


And how the fuck is "trap" not when you're being fucking told by trans people that it is used just like that against us?!

Transgender people aren't even the party principally being called traps.


Even if that were true, that doesn't magically make it not a slur, for fuck sake.

You can rant and rave all you like, I have told you several times I don't care how many people on the internet are mad about a thing,


Good for you. Since you don't care so much, how soon do you plan on stopping arguing in favor of this bullshit of yours that "trap" isn't a slur?

I don't care how many groups are up in arms about it- that doesn't prove it's real.


You yourself just literally fucking admitted a word's a slur when it denigrates and insults, so your entire bullshit argument here about how trap's magically not a slur when it denigrates and insults trans people is the biggest load of contradictory bullshit you could possibly come up with.
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