TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Torrocca]

So then explain why the fuck it's used commonly enough in reference to trans people that it's widely considered a slur in the LGBTQ+ community.

Idiots, people being confused, or from the other angle, people exaggerating frequency to back up their claim to make it a slur.
As I've literally never seen an example of a trans person being called a "trap" without they themselves using it to describe themselves, I'm thinking it's mostly the third one, making a mountain out of the molehill the first two are.

Ah, yes, because your claimed personal experience on this matter literally means trans people are lying about being degraded by shit like "trap" being used against us as a slur. Right.

[The Rich Port]

So then explain why the fuck it's used commonly enough in reference to trans people that it's widely considered a slur in the LGBTQ+ community.

Idiots, people being confused, or from the other angle, people exaggerating frequency to back up their claim to make it a slur.
As I've literally never seen an example of a trans person being called a "trap" without they themselves using it to describe themselves, I'm thinking it's mostly the third one, making a mountain out of the molehill the first two are.

Also, didn't you say you were done?

Definitely arguable.

If you're arguing origins, it's not at all that. It shares it's history with 4chan's dubious history of self-contradiction.

4chan inventing Pedobear doesn't mean pedophiles didn't use 4chan. That's the whole point of 4chan, it that there's no filter for anything, and the users and moderators can only do so much. End of the day, creepy pedophiles loved to talk about lolicon and there was nothing you could do about it except dox them, troll them, or have the admins change their outlook or rules.

Just because "trap" FIRST originated as a non-slur doesn't make it not a slur if people use it as such.

If you're arguing that people DON'T do that, that's patently not true. People do. Some people may not mean it like that and some people aren't even aware of it, and some "brave" souls like you use it as some kind of rebellious flag.

End of the day, though, some people use it as a slur, and people take offense to that.

Same thing can be said of any slur.

You can argue history, but I don't see why we need to wait 400 years to not like something.

[Des-Bal]

Okay? And?


Did I ever say or imply that I did?

If multiple trans people are telling you over and over and over again that we consider trap a slur, in a discussion thread about us, other trans people, and trans issues in general that you voluntarily came into to argue that trap isn't a slur to us, maybe you should reeeaaaaally reevaluate the hill you're trying to die on.


I never said or even insinuated any of that, so I sure as fuck don't know where you're getting this from.

So you're vacillating between recognizing how unimportant your gender is and holding the fact this is the transgender thread and that transgender people are in it as sacred. I don't care about your gender. It does not matter. Your opinions on whether or not it's a slur hold as much weight as your opinions on whether or not a virus is alive and whether or not you personally are alive does not add weight to your words.

[Torrocca]

Okay? And?


Did I ever say or imply that I did?

If multiple trans people are telling you over and over and over again that we consider trap a slur, in a discussion thread about us, other trans people, and trans issues in general that you voluntarily came into to argue that trap isn't a slur to us, maybe you should reeeaaaaally reevaluate the hill you're trying to die on.


I never said or even insinuated any of that, so I sure as fuck don't know where you're getting this from.

So you're vacillating between recognizing how unimportant your gender is

Nah, not at all. I just don't give half a damn your personal opinion on my gender.

and holding the fact this is the transgender thread and that transgender people are in it as sacred.

Never said that, chief.

I don't care about your gender.

Okay? And?

It does not matter.

Not to you, but that's irrelevant.

Your opinions on whether or not it's a slur hold as much weight as your opinions on whether or not a virus is alive

So the transgender opinion of a word being used as a slur against transgender people is irrelevant. Gotcha.

I'm sure you think exactly the same about men's opinions on slurs directed toward the male gender.

[Proctopeo]

Idiots, people being confused, or from the other angle, people exaggerating frequency to back up their claim to make it a slur.
As I've literally never seen an example of a trans person being called a "trap" without they themselves using it to describe themselves, I'm thinking it's mostly the third one, making a mountain out of the molehill the first two are.

Ah, yes, because your claimed personal experience on this matter literally means trans people are lying about being degraded by shit like "trap" being used against us as a slur. Right.

Hey, if I had ever actually gotten any examples, ever, my opinion would likely be different, even if somewhat.
Problem is, I've never gotten any examples. Only vague pointing at organizations saying "no usey > : (" as an attempt at proof.

Idiots, people being confused, or from the other angle, people exaggerating frequency to back up their claim to make it a slur.
As I've literally never seen an example of a trans person being called a "trap" without they themselves using it to describe themselves, I'm thinking it's mostly the third one, making a mountain out of the molehill the first two are.

Also, didn't you say you were done?

Definitely arguable.

If you're arguing origins, it's not at all that. It shares it's history with 4chan's dubious history of self-contradiction.

4chan inventing Pedobear doesn't mean pedophiles didn't use 4chan. That's the whole point of 4chan, it that there's no filter for anything, and the users and moderators can only do so much. End of the day, creepy pedophiles loved to talk about lolicon and there was nothing you could do about it except dox them, troll them, or have the admins change their outlook or rules.

Just because "trap" FIRST originated as a non-slur doesn't make it not a slur if people use it as such.

If you're arguing that people DON'T do that, that's patently not true. People do. Some people may not mean it like that and some people aren't even aware of it, and some "brave" souls like you use it as some kind of rebellious flag.

End of the day, though, some people use it as a slur, and people take offense to that.

Same thing can be said of any slur.

You can argue history, but I don't see why we need to wait 400 years to not like something.

What do you mean by the underlined, exactly?

Also, I'd like to point out, I see the conflation of trans people and traps more from the "trap is a slur" cabal than anybody else. I feel almost as if the problem being complained about is one created and perpetuated by those complaining...

[Torrocca]

Ah, yes, because your claimed personal experience on this matter literally means trans people are lying about being degraded by shit like "trap" being used against us as a slur. Right.

Hey, if I had ever actually gotten any examples, ever, my opinion would likely be different, even if somewhat.
Problem is, I've never gotten any examples. Only vague pointing at organizations saying "no usey > : (" as an attempt at proof.

It's totally not like anybody at any point in this multi-page conversation referenced/linked to multiple sources/online communities/personas/etc backing up the fact that the LGBTQ+ community, for the most part, acknowledges "trap" as a slur or anything like that. /s

[Des-Bal]

Nah, not at all. I just don't give half a damn your personal opinion on my gender.



Never said that, chief.


Okay? And?



Not to you, but that's irrelevant.



So the transgender opinion of a word being used as a slur against transgender people is irrelevant. Gotcha.

I'm sure you think exactly the same about men's opinions on slurs directed toward the male gender.

So stop bringing it up. Because I don't care. But you keep talking about it. So I keep telling you I don't care.

I didn't say the transgender opinion was irrelevant I said it was exactly as relevant as the transgender opinion on viruses.

I totally do think the exact same way. Your race is irrelevant in determining whether or not nigger is a slur.

[Proctopeo]

Hey, if I had ever actually gotten any examples, ever, my opinion would likely be different, even if somewhat.
Problem is, I've never gotten any examples. Only vague pointing at organizations saying "no usey > : (" as an attempt at proof.

It's totally not like anybody at any point in this multi-page conversation referenced/linked to multiple sources/online communities/personas/etc backing up the fact that the LGBTQ+ community, for the most part, acknowledges "trap" as a slur or anything like that. /s

t. "I once linked an organization nobody takes seriously!"
Do you know what the word "example" means?

[Cekoviu]

It's totally not like anybody at any point in this multi-page conversation referenced/linked to multiple sources/online communities/personas/etc backing up the fact that the LGBTQ+ community, for the most part, acknowledges "trap" as a slur or anything like that. /s

t. "I once linked an organization nobody takes seriously!"
Do you know what the word "example" means?

This might be news to you, but not everybody is you.

[Torrocca]

Nah, not at all. I just don't give half a damn your personal opinion on my gender.



Never said that, chief.


Okay? And?



Not to you, but that's irrelevant.



So the transgender opinion of a word being used as a slur against transgender people is irrelevant. Gotcha.

I'm sure you think exactly the same about men's opinions on slurs directed toward the male gender.

So stop bringing it up. Because I don't care. But you keep talking about it. So I keep telling you I don't care.

I didn't say the transgender opinion was irrelevant I said it was exactly as relevant as the transgender opinion on viruses.

I totally do think the exact same way. Your race is irrelevant in determining whether or not nigger is a slur.

10/10, thanks for letting us know exactly how worthless your opinion on this matter is.

[The Rich Port]

What do you mean by the underlined, exactly?

Also, I'd like to point out, I see the conflation of trans people and traps more from the "trap is a slur" cabal than anybody else. I feel almost as if the problem being complained about is one created and perpetuated by those complaining...

... There's a cabal, now?

Also, yeah, that's how slurs work.

People don't like them because it carries a bad implication, so they feel bad when people call them that name.

You can use the n-word neutrally, doesn't make it not hurtful when you call people by that name, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'VE EXPLICITLY SAID SO.

[Torrocca]

It's totally not like anybody at any point in this multi-page conversation referenced/linked to multiple sources/online communities/personas/etc backing up the fact that the LGBTQ+ community, for the most part, acknowledges "trap" as a slur or anything like that. /s

t. "I once linked an organization nobody takes seriously!"
Do you know what the word "example" means?

TIL'd because you personally don't take an organization/person/source/etc. seriously means nobody does

10/10, really showed me my place.

[Des-Bal]

10/10, thanks for letting us know exactly how worthless your opinion on this matter is.

Says the girl rating posts instead of forming arguments.

... There's a cabal, now?

Also, yeah, that's how slurs work.

People don't like them because it carries a bad implication, so they feel bad when people call them that name.

You can use the n-word neutrally, doesn't make it not hurtful when you call people by that name, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'VE EXPLICITLY SAID SO.

Who is saying "call people things they don't want to be called?" You're railing against this, who said it?

Also who is calling transgender people traps disparagingly, I don't think I've ever actually seen it used as an insult online.

edit for gender

[Proctopeo]

t. "I once linked an organization nobody takes seriously!"
Do you know what the word "example" means?

This might be news to you, but not everybody is you.

What do you mean by the underlined, exactly?

Also, I'd like to point out, I see the conflation of trans people and traps more from the "trap is a slur" cabal than anybody else. I feel almost as if the problem being complained about is one created and perpetuated by those complaining...

... There's a cabal, now?

Also, yeah, that's how slurs work.

People don't like them because it carries a bad implication, so they feel bad when people call them that name.

You can use the n-word neutrally, doesn't make it not hurtful when you call people by that name, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'VE EXPLICITLY SAID SO.

You seem to be jumping around with what you're referring to at lightning speeds.
Is it "don't call people that"? Or "don't use it, ever"? Make up your mind, please.

t. "I once linked an organization nobody takes seriously!"
Do you know what the word "example" means?

TIL'd because you personally don't take an organization/person/source/etc. seriously means nobody does

10/10, really showed me my place.

Hey, if you actually take GLAAD seriously, that's your own personal problem.
Though it does mean anything you say deserves extra criticism and skepticism.

Anyway, actual examples, instead of vague pointing at the direction of randumb organizations, hole-filled Wikipedia articles, and literal clowns?

[Des-Bal]

TIL'd because you personally don't take an organization/person/source/etc. seriously means nobody does

10/10, really showed me my place.

You TIL'd like ten times today, just keep a running list and give em to us all at once.

[Torrocca]

10/10, thanks for letting us know exactly how worthless your opinion on this matter is.

Says the guy rating posts instead of forming arguments.

Girl, but thanks for making it even clearer you're anti-trans, as well. :3

[Cekoviu]

What do you mean by the underlined, exactly?

Also, I'd like to point out, I see the conflation of trans people and traps more from the "trap is a slur" cabal than anybody else. I feel almost as if the problem being complained about is one created and perpetuated by those complaining...

... There's a cabal, now?

Also, yeah, that's how slurs work.

People don't like them because it carries a bad implication, so they feel bad when people call them that name.

You can use the n-word neutrally, doesn't make it not hurtful when you call people by that name, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'VE EXPLICITLY SAID SO.

There is no cabal.

10/10, thanks for letting us know exactly how worthless your opinion on this matter is.

Says the guy rating posts instead of forming arguments.

Oh, and now you're misgendering people. You've overstayed your welcome by a significant amount.

[Des-Bal]

Girl, but thanks for making it even clearer you're anti-trans, as well. :3

If anything I'm anti-cis when I get someone's pronouns wrong online it's usually not because their transgender. I tend to forget names in the shuffle but it'll be girl from now on.

[The Rich Port]

This might be news to you, but not everybody is you.

... There's a cabal, now?

Also, yeah, that's how slurs work.

People don't like them because it carries a bad implication, so they feel bad when people call them that name.

You can use the n-word neutrally, doesn't make it not hurtful when you call people by that name, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'VE EXPLICITLY SAID SO.

You seem to be jumping around with what you're referring to at lightning speeds.
Is it "don't call people that"? Or "don't use it, ever"? Make up your mind, please.

TIL'd because you personally don't take an organization/person/source/etc. seriously means nobody does

10/10, really showed me my place.

Hey, if you actually take GLAAD seriously, that's your own personal problem.
Though it does mean anything you say deserves extra criticism and skepticism.

Anyway, actual examples, instead of vague pointing at the direction of randumb organizations, hole-filled Wikipedia articles, and literal clowns?

Gee, remind me of anybody, I wonder.

My position is rather obvious: while I don't agree that "trap" is an inherent slur, I agree that if transgender people ask you to not say it, you should take their feelings and thoughts into consideration on why it's a bad idea, not just for you, but for everyone like you to repeat it, and it's incredibly petty and self-centered to repeat it, to their face or elsewhere, to spite them because you feel targeted and oppressed.

By "the cabal".

[Cekoviu]

This might be news to you, but not everybody is you.

Qualityposter right here ^

[Torrocca]

TIL'd because you personally don't take an organization/person/source/etc. seriously means nobody does

10/10, really showed me my place.

Hey, if you actually take GLAAD seriously, that's your own personal problem.
Though it does mean anything you say deserves extra criticism and skepticism.

Anyway, actual examples, instead of vague pointing at the direction of randumb organizations, hole-filled Wikipedia articles, and literal clowns?

I love how all you can ever do is say, "lolol these sources are dumbdumb organizations, bad wikis, and literal clowns," or whatever go-to you go to whenever presented with sources backing shit up with no explanation for why they're somehow bad or whatever.

10/10 as always.

[Des-Bal]

I love how all you can ever do is say, "lolol these sources are dumbdumb organizations, bad wikis, and literal clowns," or whatever go-to you go to whenever presented with sources backing shit up with no explanation for why they're somehow bad or whatever.

10/10 as always.

And again, coming from the girl who hasn't really much besides TIL, 10/10, etc.

Do you actually have a source for anyone using the term trap to degrade transgender people? I could find you a link to someone using the word faggot hatefully, to someone using the word nigger hatefully, Proctopeo claims to have never seen this occur with transgender people which has led me to notice I've never seen it either.

[Proctopeo]

You seem to be jumping around with what you're referring to at lightning speeds.
Is it "don't call people that"? Or "don't use it, ever"? Make up your mind, please.


Hey, if you actually take GLAAD seriously, that's your own personal problem.
Though it does mean anything you say deserves extra criticism and skepticism.

Anyway, actual examples, instead of vague pointing at the direction of randumb organizations, hole-filled Wikipedia articles, and literal clowns?

Gee, remind me of anybody, I wonder.

My position is rather obvious: while I don't agree that "trap" is an inherent slur, I agree that if transgender people ask you to not say it, you should take their feelings and thoughts into consideration on why it's a bad idea, not just for you, but for everyone like you to repeat it, and it's incredibly petty and self-centered to repeat it, to their face or elsewhere, to spite them because you feel targeted and oppressed.

By "the cabal".

What gave you the impression that I use the word out of spite? I use it in spite of people's blubbering over it, but "in spite of" and "out of spite" are entirely different, despite containing the same operating word. English is strange like that.
"In spite of" means "despite" or "regardless of"; was already being done before, and isn't being no longer done due to attempts by others.
"Out of spite" means "done with desire to spite or to hurt"; wasn't already being done before, but is, due to attempts by others.
Quite obviously, I'm firmly using it in spite of, not out of spite.

Qualityposter right here ^

I responded to a 144p post with a 72p post. That's how mafia works.

I love how all you can ever do is say, "lolol these sources are dumbdumb organizations, bad wikis, and literal clowns," or whatever go-to you go to whenever presented with sources backing shit up with no explanation for why they're somehow bad or whatever.

10/10 as always.

And again, coming from the girl who hasn't really much besides TIL, 10/10, etc.

Yeah, Torra really needs to diversify what she says. Gets boring to read after the umpteenth time.

Do you actually have a source for anyone using the term trap to degrade transgender people? I could find you a link to someone using the word faggot hatefully, to someone using the word nigger hatefully, Proctopeo claims to have never seen this occur with transgender people which has led me to notice I've never seen it either.

Most notably, the closest example I've ever received was... someone being called "goober". Again, I'm still very confused by this. I say "closest example" because it's in fact the only attempt at giving an example I've ever even seen.

[Torrocca]

I love how all you can ever do is say, "lolol these sources are dumbdumb organizations, bad wikis, and literal clowns," or whatever go-to you go to whenever presented with sources backing shit up with no explanation for why they're somehow bad or whatever.

10/10 as always.

And again, coming from the girl who hasn't really much besides TIL, 10/10, etc.

Nah, I've said a lot more than just that. I'm just tired at this point of having to deal with this bullshit.

Do you actually have a source for anyone using the term trap to degrade transgender people? I could find you a link to someone using the word faggot hatefully, to someone using the word nigger hatefully, Proctopeo claims to have never seen this occur with transgender people which has led me to notice I've never seen it either.

Well, I've had it used against me hatefully, for a first-hand source to start with, but I'm sure you'll just dismiss that.

[Des-Bal]

Well, I've had it used against me hatefully, for a first-hand source to start with, but I'm sure you'll just dismiss that.

Yes I will.