The Rich Port wrote:Torrocca wrote:I'm sorry, where in
anywhere in those last few pages did
any trans person try to police words?
Because I sure as fuck didn't see any of that happening.
Asking politely not to use words they don't like counts as policing and being rude and insensitive is freedom fighting, dontchaknow.
I suggest my approach: I won't use it in reference to you if you don't use it, but I'm damn well not dropping the word from my vocabulary just because you yelled at me over it.
Drongonia wrote:Torrocca wrote:TIL'd that because some trans people are okay with being referred to as traps, that that suddenly means it's no longer a slur for the majority of trans people.
10/10
How do you know how the majority of trans people feel about it? Did you do a survey? Postal vote? Ring them up? DM them on tumblr? Please inform me on how you're able to so efficiently speak on behalf of an entire worldwide community.
In my experience, trans people with strong negative opinions on the word are a vocal minority. Typically, opinions rest around "indifference" or "we have bigger issues to worry about than an anime term".
Des-Bal wrote:Torrocca wrote:So, by that same token, you wouldn't be comfortable with a black person telling you that calling them a "nigger" is a slur, either, right? Or a gay person telling you that calling them a "faggot" is also a slur, right?
Words and their meanings evolve. Just because "trap" started off referring to androgynous cis males doesn't mean jack shit to the fact that it's used derogatorily toward trans people.
Nigger and faggot are definitely slurs, but not because black and gay people happen to be upset by them. You're talking about a word that's not typically applied to transgender people and whose meaning is actually eroded by application to transgender people.
Hilariously I used those same two words as a demonstration of why the parts of groups that "decide" what words are and aren't okay are completely arbitrary and completely self-serving.
The Rich Port wrote:Drongonia wrote:Somebody already made the n-word argument and honestly it was kind of funny. They stopped responding after one thing I said. It's a weak argument as there are plenty of people who like to be called traps, but I've yet to meet a single black person who likes to be called a Nigger (hard r) or a gay person who likes being called a faggot.
Citing r/Traps again, ever seen it? It's a large community of transfolks who take pride in the thought of being traps and are happy with it. Is there a similar r/Niggers or r/Faggots sub? Doubt it. I only chose that because it's the easiest thing that came to mind, but regardless that's gotta be one of the weakest points out there.
We don't really care about people that aren't on this forum. It proves nothing about the wider trans-gendered or crossdressing community.
Also, probably because that's not allowed under Reddit's guidelines. Is Reddit now the authority on what is a slur because of that? Of course not.
It doesn't make the fact some people don't like being called "trap" not exist.
Maybe find better friends.
Now, "some" is very different from "most" or "all", mind you. Part of a group not liking a word just means you don't use that word in reference to them, not completely declare the word profane and forbidden. Maybe go so far as to limit your use of the word in their presence, but if they insist you wipe the word from your lexicon entirely they're not worth associating with.