TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Auzkhia]

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[Fahran]

Since I've been hearing about it a lot elsewhere, what's the regular's thoughts on the recent wave of "Assigned Male" drama - specifically, that the author was discovered to have a side account where they made furry kink art, with at least one image having been based on a picture of a real child? Excuse my curiosity, she is rather infamous online for various things preceding this specific event.

Emphasis mine.

My thought when I read "furry kink art" was "go to horny jail."

My thought when I read "based on a picture of a real child" was "go to therapy or go to real jail."

[Proctopeo]

I am unfamiliar with this drama, and when I read about this from you, I am happy to stay unfamiliar with the topic

It's Kiwifarms bullshit, a false flag drummed up after she was gonna be blackmailed.

Please tell me how you false flag someone having an alternative account, in their exact art style, that they admit exists. "It the farms doe" isn't a compelling argument - the information was all out there, their "sin" was compiling it.

She's been doxxed multiple times and had to move because of KF doxx.

I'm skeptical of that claim (she does come off as untrustworthy) but it's possible.

Trans women are accused of being dangerous predators all the time.

Using an image of a real child (a baby, even!) as the reference for your kink art is definitely pretty suspicious. Being transgender does not preclude you from wrongdoing.

[Kowani]

i'm certain this will be a productive discussion

[Auzkhia]

i'm certain this will be a productive discussion

Indeed, I rather drop this, hell I think I made a huge blunder by commenting.

I've talking about it with my friends and partners and some of this stuff has some sensitive details that I do not wish to disclose on this forum, especially with certain dynamics that some adults do (i.e ageplay and AB/DL) and certain traumas of mine. This discourse legitimately triggered me, and I do mean it, and not how memers use it.

I would just wish to drop it.

[Fahran]

i'm certain this will be a productive discussion

Point of Order: Almost no discussion on NSG is productive.

[Nakena]

i'm certain this will be a productive discussion

It's certainly a promising one.

[Kowani]

i'm certain this will be a productive discussion

Indeed, I rather drop this, hell I think I made a huge blunder by commenting.

I've talking about it with my friends and partners and some of this stuff has some sensitive details that I do not wish to disclose on this forum, especially with certain dynamics that some adults do (i.e ageplay and AB/DL) and certain traumas of mine. This discourse legitimately triggered me, and I do mean it, and not how memers use it.

I would just wish to drop it.

i don't know what either of those acronyms mean

[Nakena]

Indeed, I rather drop this, hell I think I made a huge blunder by commenting.

I've talking about it with my friends and partners and some of this stuff has some sensitive details that I do not wish to disclose on this forum, especially with certain dynamics that some adults do (i.e ageplay and AB/DL) and certain traumas of mine. This discourse legitimately triggered me, and I do mean it, and not how memers use it.

I would just wish to drop it.

i don't know what either of those acronyms mean

The question might perhaps rather be: Are you sure that you do wish to know it?

[Auzkhia]

Indeed, I rather drop this, hell I think I made a huge blunder by commenting.

I've talking about it with my friends and partners and some of this stuff has some sensitive details that I do not wish to disclose on this forum, especially with certain dynamics that some adults do (i.e ageplay and AB/DL) and certain traumas of mine. This discourse legitimately triggered me, and I do mean it, and not how memers use it.

I would just wish to drop it.

i don't know what either of those acronyms mean

Google is free though it means "adult baby, diaper lover" and that's all I will say on this matter.

[Kowani]

i'm certain this will be a productive discussion

Point of Order: Almost no discussion on NSG is productive.

...fair point

i'm certain this will be a productive discussion

It's certainly a promising one.

promising for who-

i don't know what either of those acronyms mean

Google is free though it means "adult baby, diaper lover" and that's all I will say on this matter.

i don't know what either of those acronyms mean

The question might perhaps rather be: Are you sure that you do wish to know it?

found my answer

[Auzkhia]

Anyway.

What do you think the state of trans rights will be like in the United States now to the near future? We are seeing state republicans trying to restrict or ban trans youth from playing sports or taking puberty blockers. I think trans rights have improved but we're still dealing with backlash and I am concerned that TERFs may get some traction in the US, though hopefully not to UK levels of influence.

[Kowani]

Anyway.

What do you think the state of trans rights will be like in the United States now to the near future? We are seeing state republicans trying to restrict or ban trans youth from playing sports or taking puberty blockers. I think trans rights have improved but we're still dealing with backlash and I am concerned that TERFs may get some traction in the US, though hopefully not to UK levels of influence.

assuming no major attitude shifts
state level: poor. republicans use trans issues as wedge issues to supplement abortion and keep a very tight hold on their base-but they have to deliver on that, and the courts are a crapshoot
federal level: better
bostock v. clayton and biden's executive orders actually implementing it will change things, but unless either the filibuster goes or the GOP collapses (and that looks unlikely to happen in a close timeframe), the Equality Act will never pass the Senate, and then it all comes down to which way the country goes in 2022 and 2024

[Auzkhia]

The "trans women in women's sports" discourse definitely has undertones of "women aren't good at sports" right?

Twitter thread source

[Kowani]

The "trans women in women's sports" discourse definitely has undertones of "women aren't good at sports" right?

Twitter thread source

okay so
i dislike using twitter sources for things unless it's a journalist reporting on a current happening, so there's a bias for you
but i have to disagree with some of this interpretation
for example, take this tweet
on the surface, it seems like a decent objection
but when you dig into it, not so much
athletes (in the same sport) tend to have the same body type
and for that matter, the argument transphobes make isn't even about body types
it's about internal body structure
and that one tends to be a lot more uniform across sex
bone thickness, hormone generation, etc
you have a few outliers (michael phelps tends to be the prime example), but those follow consistent trends


now, lets move on to this tweet
notice how Bong focuses on cis women
but if you look at the legislation and where the public furor is, it's not about professional athletes
it's about school sports and girls
(and there's a whole other conversation there about maternal power that i don't want to have right now)
to my knowledge, not once has anyone pointed at Serena Williams and used her as an example of a woman athlete who would be negatively impacted by allowing transwomen in women's sports

little rhetorical tricks like this serve to obscure larger issues
stay on track, people

[Vassenor]

So the mask drops again and another prominent transphobe turns out to be a raging anti-semite as well.

[Auzkhia]

The "trans women in women's sports" discourse definitely has undertones of "women aren't good at sports" right?

Twitter thread source

okay so
i dislike using twitter sources for things unless it's a journalist reporting on a current happening, so there's a bias for you
but i have to disagree with some of this interpretation
for example, take this tweet
on the surface, it seems like a decent objection
but when you dig into it, not so much
athletes (in the same sport) tend to have the same body type
and for that matter, the argument transphobes make isn't even about body types
it's about internal body structure
and that one tends to be a lot more uniform across sex
bone thickness, hormone generation, etc
you have a few outliers (michael phelps tends to be the prime example), but those follow consistent trends


now, lets move on to this tweet
notice how Bong focuses on cis women
but if you look at the legislation and where the public furor is, it's not about professional athletes
it's about school sports and girls
(and there's a whole other conversation there about maternal power that i don't want to have right now)
to my knowledge, not once has anyone pointed at Serena Williams and used her as an example of a woman athlete who would be negatively impacted by allowing transwomen in women's sports

little rhetorical tricks like this serve to obscure larger issues
stay on track, people

It's much easier for state governments to change schools mind you, though that being said, trans people aren't a threat at all, not as adults and certainly not as children.

So the mask drops again and another prominent transphobe turns out to be a raging anti-semite as well.

Scratch a transphobe and a racist bleeds, is how the old saying goes.

[Nakena]

So the mask drops again and another prominent transphobe turns out to be a raging anti-semite as well.

Scratch a transphobe and a racist bleeds, is how the old saying goes.

Cadaver Synod Time again?

[Kowani]

okay so
i dislike using twitter sources for things unless it's a journalist reporting on a current happening, so there's a bias for you
but i have to disagree with some of this interpretation
for example, take this tweet
on the surface, it seems like a decent objection
but when you dig into it, not so much
athletes (in the same sport) tend to have the same body type
and for that matter, the argument transphobes make isn't even about body types
it's about internal body structure
and that one tends to be a lot more uniform across sex
bone thickness, hormone generation, etc
you have a few outliers (michael phelps tends to be the prime example), but those follow consistent trends


now, lets move on to this tweet
notice how Bong focuses on cis women
but if you look at the legislation and where the public furor is, it's not about professional athletes
it's about school sports and girls
(and there's a whole other conversation there about maternal power that i don't want to have right now)
to my knowledge, not once has anyone pointed at Serena Williams and used her as an example of a woman athlete who would be negatively impacted by allowing transwomen in women's sports

little rhetorical tricks like this serve to obscure larger issues
stay on track, people

It's much easier for state governments to change schools mind you, though that being said, trans people aren't a threat at all, not as adults and certainly not as children.

none of that had anything to do with what i said

[Drongonia]

Hi everyone, I have a question that I think TDT might just be able to answer.

I'm gearing up to release my next index (International Freedom Index) over on FN&I, and it's currently in its public consultation phase >>> You can view it here if you want.

Anyway, there's a question under the "Minority Rights and Equality" section I wanted everyone's opinion on. The question currently says "Is transgenderism recognised in your nation?" - essentially asking if the Government recognises trans people. Which way would you all recommend that I word it, to prevent coming off as offensive to trans people? As it's an apolitical index I'm just trying to come off as neutrally as possible. Thanks in advance

[Atheris]

So... what exactly is an "egg"? Is it a trans person that's in denial about being trans? A trans person who isn't ready to come out yet? A trans person who doesn't know they're trans?

[Atheris]

Indeed, I rather drop this, hell I think I made a huge blunder by commenting.

I've talking about it with my friends and partners and some of this stuff has some sensitive details that I do not wish to disclose on this forum, especially with certain dynamics that some adults do (i.e ageplay and AB/DL) and certain traumas of mine. This discourse legitimately triggered me, and I do mean it, and not how memers use it.

I would just wish to drop it.

i don't know what either of those acronyms mean

Addition with Binomials and Daddy Longlegs.

[Arcturus Novus]

So... what exactly is an "egg"? Is it a trans person that's in denial about being trans? A trans person who isn't ready to come out yet? A trans person who doesn't know they're trans?

It's a broad term used for basically all of the above, but yeah, the "correct" definition is "trans people who haven't realized they're trans yet."

[Atheris]

So... what exactly is an "egg"? Is it a trans person that's in denial about being trans? A trans person who isn't ready to come out yet? A trans person who doesn't know they're trans?

It's a broad term used for basically all of the above, but yeah, the "correct" definition is "trans people who haven't realized they're trans yet."

Ohhh, okay. That makes sense.

[Luminesa]

The "trans women in women's sports" discourse definitely has undertones of "women aren't good at sports" right?

Twitter thread source

okay so
i dislike using twitter sources for things unless it's a journalist reporting on a current happening, so there's a bias for you
but i have to disagree with some of this interpretation
for example, take this tweet
on the surface, it seems like a decent objection
but when you dig into it, not so much
athletes (in the same sport) tend to have the same body type
and for that matter, the argument transphobes make isn't even about body types
it's about internal body structure
and that one tends to be a lot more uniform across sex
bone thickness, hormone generation, etc
you have a few outliers (michael phelps tends to be the prime example), but those follow consistent trends


now, lets move on to this tweet
notice how Bong focuses on cis women
but if you look at the legislation and where the public furor is, it's not about professional athletes
it's about school sports and girls
(and there's a whole other conversation there about maternal power that i don't want to have right now)
to my knowledge, not once has anyone pointed at Serena Williams and used her as an example of a woman athlete who would be negatively impacted by allowing transwomen in women's sports

little rhetorical tricks like this serve to obscure larger issues
stay on track, people

I don't think most people could negatively impact Serena Williams given she now has *checks notes* 23 Grand Slams?

There's the larger question of substance abuse which occurs anyway in most sports (Adderall is usually the big one, or steroids), but while these tend to be brought into the spotlight, they seem to vanish when organizations are asked to do something about it. A bit of a tangent when it comes to hormones, but it does play into the, "Athletes and competitive body-types," discussion.